Copper almost run over

[AusTac]

Apparently some poor cop almost got run over on the eastern freeway in vic yesterday after trying to stop a xr6 for some rego issues, after managing to jump out of the way he discharged his firearm at the vehicle i'm not to sure what that would really acheive?

Was he trying to put a round in the driver to stop him? And the potential for a stray projectile in such a public place is a bit of a concern too. He decided to squeeze the trigger after he got out of the way which at that point in to his life was in no danger

Do you guys think its justified?

[southeast varmiter]

I suspect his logic was to disable a tyre.
Had the round hit a bystander.....

[adam]

It's an interesting scenario. Crooks are getting more blazen - and the law allows them. Police in Victoria already have tougher 'No Pursuit' policies in force now, so unless there's something serious - they can not pursuit. I suspect that this 'softer' approach on criminals will only create more incidents like this where crooks will be more than happy to speed through checkstops, etc with no thought for others life.

The discharge of weapon I couldn't comment on - I don't know enough information - only what the media gives us (which I think I'd trust Putin more than them at the moment), so I reserve my opinion there.

[<<Genesis93>>]

The full story needs to come to light before we judge....

However....

The media reporting was' below par' after this incident transpired, it was reported that there was a police shooting, a policement was shot, shot at, did shoot, was a shoot out, was run over was almost run over... all the while yours truely was sitting in grid lock for 1 hour becasue BOTH direction and ALL lanes of the one East west freeway / tollway out of Melbourne was closed....

Did they need to block all lanes?? Did they need to forensically analyse ALL of the bitumen??

Apparently the guy had stolen number plates, was flagged at an automated plate recognition site set up ON THE TOLLWAY! he then swerved at?? the cop, the cop was hit by the car/grazed/jumped out of the way an was injured? Reported the car has damage on the door, so there must have been some collision...

It was reported he shot at the car ALSO reported the firearm discharged unintentionally??

If he did shoot at the car its important to determine whether he shot BEFORE the collision (justifiable/SD) or AFTER when the car is driving away, and certainly the self defence justification has evaporated, unless the driver has turned around and is coming back for seconds....

Does stolen plates warrant execution/death..... I would never support criminal action, but there are certain crimes that warrant a bullet, and stolen plates do not qualify....

Police DO NOT shoot the injure....

More information needed here...

[Spudman75]

Personally, I'd say that the copper should be charged. He had no need to shoot and it was very unlikely that a shot would have stopped the car. However it could have killed someone in the car, there was a case in the US where two cops are up on murder charges because then unloaded on a car and a kid was killed.

I'd love to see the actual breakdown of deaths by firearm with things like suicide, accident etc removed just showing illegal/unlicensed and criminal activity... V's death by cop

[<<Genesis93>>]

We have an official category for death by cop known as 'legal intervention'.....over the last 20years it has been reported to include between 1 and 10 a year...

(We also have a death by doctor category......which is very well represented)

[Spudman75]

We have an official category for death by cop known as 'legal intervention'.....over the last 20years it has been reported to include between 1 and 10 a year...

(We also have a death by doctor category......which is very well represented)

Sounds like we need laws for dangerous doctors then, make them show ID and certification of training before each procedure. When they are not in use they need to be secured in a lockable container separate from their medical instruments.

[Vati]

Had the round hit a bystander.....

Would have been our fault.

"Cop accidentally shoots driver, tougher gun laws needed"

[happyhunter]

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[on_one_wheel]

Sounds like a typical trigger happy Eastern State copper.
Imagine the carnage that could've resulted if he actually managed to kill the driver.

[beerd]

We have an official category for death by cop known as 'legal intervention'

Flattering way of saying killing someone, yep.

[anthillinside]

Well.. the cops aren't allows to "pursue" fleeing criminals... perhaps his reasoning was ... bullets are.
"Most" coppers are not stupid, I trust he had the sence to evaluate his shot (we all do)
My only doubt is what did he think it would acheive?
A hand gun round isn't going to stop a car, or 100:1 it's driver.
Is the average copper so frustrated with what he's "not allowed" to do he pulls his gun in frustration? a worring thought.

[bigfellascott]

Ah that happens.

[adam]

I think this is a classic scenario of 'Split second moment to decide, with life threatened and adrenalin rushing' vs 'sitting back at home / court room, in a comfortable chair with hours to ponder to make decisions about things that won't really affect you, and reevaluate your decision numerous times...

If the cop did manage to hit the crim, the only concern I'd have about it would be the trouble the cop would get into, not the crim's life. Sorry - but he obviously has no regards for anyone elses life including the police's he could have taken out - I don't see why he should expect any difference in return.

Law these days to me is like a football match, with two sides, but only one side has to abide by the rules and the other side can do anything they want. Team C - criminals, and Team L - Law Abiding Citizens & Cops. Team C knows exactly what team L can and can't do, and what they do and don't have at their disposal to help them, and team L have no idea what team C will do at any moment from one to the next... Pretty easy to see which team will come out on front.

And then to throw more fuel on the fire you have team GCA trying to put tighter rules on team L whilst letting team C continue to play with no rules.

As for the 'could have hit someone else' scenario - that sounds very similar to the whole 'LFO's could have' scenario put towards us. The cop has training - knows to evaluate what's behind their target before pulling the trigger. No one else was hurt. Unless someone has eye wittness accounts that the was an innocent party in the immediate background why are we judging the cop on what if scenario's?

So forgive me if I have little regard for the crook in this case and care a lot more about the officer. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I see all the evidence that says otherwise...

[anthillinside]

+1 Adam
I know the exact spot that it occured, less than no chance of "inocent bystander" casualties.
What my point was is the cops are now starting to suffer the same way we have.
Stricter controls from head nobbs, not allowed to chase crims anymore unless they can prove (can;t remember it al)l but a ship load of conditions.
The frontline cops can't even sneeze on you (YUK!) without forms signed in triplicate.
The unholstering of a firearm by a cop in this situation is unusual.
I'll bet he has a "please explain" form to fill out.
They caught the idiot runner today, guess what? ...drugs.. what a suprise!
I wish the bullet had caught him.

Closing remark, when I said "a worring thought" I mean I don;t want our cops to get that frustraited, then they start taking it out on anyone

[<<Genesis93>>]

Sorry. A tollway with dozens of cars around theres a chance of collateral damage maybe little maybe a good chance..

The question is whether he was driving toward or AWAY from the cop. If the cop was defending his own life yes.... otherwise no, sorry, Stolen numberplate and 'assault by vehicle' does not justify execution. Period

[Spudman75]

+1 Adam
I know the exact spot that it occured, less than no chance of "inocent bystander" casualties.
What my point was is the cops are now starting to suffer the same way we have.
Stricter controls from head nobbs, not allowed to chase crims anymore unless they can prove (can;t remember it al)l but a ship load of conditions.
The frontline cops can't even sneeze on you (YUK!) without forms signed in triplicate.
The unholstering of a firearm by a cop in this situation is unusual.
I'll bet he has a "please explain" form to fill out.
They caught the idiot runner today, guess what? ...drugs.. what a suprise!
I wish the bullet had caught him.

Closing remark, when I said "a worring thought" I mean I don;t want our cops to get that frustraited, then they start taking it out on anyone

In SA they are loosing cops at a faster rate than they can recruit them... won't have enough of them around soon to make any meaningful difference.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... =anonymous

For example I'd be lucky to see a RBT once a year. Not much policing going on, mostly paperwork I'd say. Certainly no regular firearms training.

[Gwion]

Sorry. A tollway with dozens of cars around theres a chance of collateral damage maybe little maybe a good chance..

The question is whether he was driving toward or AWAY from the cop. If the cop was defending his own life yes.... otherwise no, sorry, Stolen numberplate and 'assault by vehicle' does not justify execution. Period

May surprise you Genesis, but i totally agree with you on this!

[on_one_wheel]

+1 Adam
I know the exact spot that it occured, less than no chance of "inocent bystander" casualties.
What my point was is the cops are now starting to suffer the same way we have.
Stricter controls from head nobbs, not allowed to chase crims anymore unless they can prove (can;t remember it al)l but a ship load of conditions.
The frontline cops can't even sneeze on you (YUK!) without forms signed in triplicate.
The unholstering of a firearm by a cop in this situation is unusual.
I'll bet he has a "please explain" form to fill out.
They caught the idiot runner today, guess what? ...drugs.. what a suprise!
I wish the bullet had caught him.

Closing remark, when I said "a worring thought" I mean I don;t want our cops to get that frustraited, then they start taking it out on anyone

In SA they are loosing cops at a faster rate than they can recruit them... won't have enough of them around soon to make any meaningful difference.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout ... =anonymous

For example I'd be lucky to see a RBT once a year. Not much policing going on, mostly paperwork I'd say. Certainly no regular firearms training.

Noticed the latest patrol cars, base model in standard trim , stock standard brakes , steel rims .... gone are the days of police spec cars with bigger fuel tanks, upgraded Trans, hot engines, big brakes and alloys, they just don't have money in SA.

[anthillinside]

I don't know about SA but since the change of gov in Vic. all the public services especially the emergency services are getting heap big pay rises.
Payback for the "support given"
Perhaps they deserve a fair wack but it has to be paid for and the "public purse" is full of moths, I expect cuts in other areas here in the not too distant future.
Unless of course we end up with a 15% GST then ummm we wil be in exactly the same sh..t we get 5% extra GST and everything goes up 5% progress 0%

[<<Genesis93>>]

Sorry. A tollway with dozens of cars around theres a chance of collateral damage maybe little maybe a good chance..

The question is whether he was driving toward or AWAY from the cop. If the cop was defending his own life yes.... otherwise no, sorry, Stolen numberplate and 'assault by vehicle' does not justify execution. Period

May surprise you Genesis, but i totally agree with you on this!

Not really, you seem like a reasonably intelligent kind of guy...... most of the time

[<<Genesis93>>]

I don't know about SA but since the change of gov in Vic. all the public services especially the emergency services are getting heap big pay rises.
Payback for the "support given"
Perhaps they deserve a fair wack but it has to be paid for and the "public purse" is full of moths, I expect cuts in other areas here in the not too distant future.
Unless of course we end up with a 15% GST then ummm we wil be in exactly the same sh..t we get 5% extra GST and everything goes up 5% progress 0%

Not a question of if... but of WHEN we get the slug... I worked it out on another thread, I think it was worth an extra 30Billion annually 'extracted' from our pocket and divvied up between the states....at the existing base - broaden the base and it becomes, who knows.... 40?? 50??

[Rocker]

May surprise you Genesis, but i totally agree with you on this!

It's a sign of the apocalypse

[Gwion]

[melanie]

I don't know about SA but since the change of gov in Vic. all the public services especially the emergency services are getting heap big pay rises.

I read in the news your tram or train drivers are wanting over $100k to do their job

[anthillinside]

I don't know about SA but since the change of gov in Vic. all the public services especially the emergency services are getting heap big pay rises.

I read in the news your tram or train drivers are wanting over $100k to do their job

That was last month!
They get more than that now.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victor ... 7049d07e4c
Time to change jobs...Train driver looks nice

[<<Genesis93>>]

When Labor are in power........

=payrise for the unions...

How does it go, they want 3%, they ask for 6, their buddies agree to 4%.... and after striking and / or cause other grief they 'concede' and agree to 'accept' the 4%.....alls quiet for another year

[Tinked]

Goes up by about $5k a month