How do you people feel about Lady Liberty leaving for the US

[thewoodsnsw]

Hi. It's been a long time since I've been here. But yeah, if you want my opinion, I think she's a traitor. She had good optics and she seemed like someone we could trust, but it's not good enough. It's sad.

I have no problem with people wanting to move overseas, but when activists do it, it doesn't send a good message.

I just feel there are too many people who want to chuck in the towel or the infighting that happens...

[MG5150]

My understanding is she is either married to an American, or her husband got a job in the USA so she moved over there with him...

She didn't take the money and run, she's left it in trust and is activly putting it towards fighting the new gun laws in WA...

Additionally, her whole thing is guns and freedom, if there was one place in the world to go for guns and freedom, it's the USA. Perfect place for her to go to.

I don't get why people are up in arms about it and why she is copping so much hate when she is still actvly fighting for gun rights in Australia from the other side of the world.

[bigpete]

Who ?

[Bugman]

Who ?

Yep. Ditto to that.

[thewoodsnsw]

Who ?

Lady Liberty -- from the worst gun state of all. WA. She use to campaign a lot for gun owners. She still has one going before enjoying her gun rights in Texas.


https://x.com/ladylibertyaus

[deye243]

I say good on her if I had enough money I would fly out of this country and never return would much prefer to live in a free country than this place

[Fester]

Another possibility is, she was attacked so viciously to discredit her, it made the decision easy.

If she kept the money and stopped paying the law firm, they would have dropped her like a sack of potatoes.

She said in one vid that someone sent letters to her employer with the aim to have her visa cancelled.

Imagine when she has given all the money to the lawyers and the attacks start with the old far right Fudds crying "We told you so"

I don't know her or the facts, so I won't judge her, but if she was honest and fighting for shooters, I can't see her doing it again.
A shooting life in Texas means she is not likely to come back here to live.

[alexjones]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

The country of Australia that we grew up in and loved does not exist anymore!

[Wapiti]

"Far right Fudds"? Be interesting to get an explanation on that statement that isn't a nonsensical oxymoron.

[womble]

"Far right Fudds"? Be interesting to get an explanation on that statement that isn't a nonsensical oxymoron.

Ultra conservative.

Support tradition, gun control, nfa, Howard.

Don't want progress.

Western Australia has a long history of the. strictest gun control in the country.

Some Libertarians don't believe in gun control. The choice to arm yourself or not is yours to make. Not the state's.

[Wapiti]

Holy smokes Womble, are there any of those out there? Let's hope not.

One thing why we're in such a clusterf** now though, is this mongo idea that conservative politics is to blame for the erosion of our liberties collectively.
How many losers I meet will not vote conservative anymore becauseit was Howard at the helm of a completely bipartisan attack on freedoms, yet run liquid down their legs complaining about Labor and communist enforced police government... they truly are retards.
When i talk of Fudds, they belong to that group of losers just as much.
If only they'd all throw themselves overboard and raise the IQ of us all collectively by 100%

[fnq22]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

So which countries are these that are so much better then Australia and what is your experience living in them..?

[TuskerOrd]

She was forced to leave, but I think its a good thing that she if fighting from afar - makes it very difficult for the haters to intimidate her.(Generals never fight at the frontline). I would say we should give her more support.

[womble]

Holy smokes Womble, are there any of those out there? Let's hope not.

One thing why we're in such a clusterf** now though, is this mongo idea that conservative politics is to blame for the erosion of our liberties collectively.
How many losers I meet will not vote conservative anymore becauseit was Howard at the helm of a completely bipartisan attack on freedoms, yet run liquid down their legs complaining about Labor and communist enforced police government... they truly are retards.
When i talk of Fudds, they belong to that group of losers just as much.
If only they'd all throw themselves overboard and raise the IQ of us all collectively by 100%

We don’t have the liberties to erode. We have privileges. And they can be taken away.

Conservatives believe in traditional values and hierarchical systems. And we were founded as a penal colony. The only way people got guns was to steal them from the British. We didn’t really get any privileges until after the Eureka stockade.

Whilst we lost that battle , the news spread far and wide and we were granted more independence to satiate the publics arousal for it. eventually forming our own government.

But citizens didn’t really have much access to firearms here until world war1 and preparations for it. And most ex military rifles and calibers were banned for civilian use in some states.

Shooting became more popular from the Olympic sports and we have a long tradition for that. It was because of that competition that we were allowed to own handguns.

Then comes the progressive era of the 60’s and everyone on board for throwing out conservative values and celebrating the age of Aquarius or some s**t.

By the 70’s, 80’s we had coalition governments of socialists and nationals in states like Queensland and practically no gun laws and regulations.
The NT was the Wild West.
You could actually buy a bazooka in Tasmania.

But all said, conservative values here protect the sanctity of strict gun regulations. As per our historical tradition. That’s why they roll out Johnny at every national election, to remind us. We must protect those values in this country.

And yes it’s bipartisan. The socialists no longer support the right to bear arms as directed by Karl Marx.

Because they’re f***ing communists now.




And this is not to say we have not also had liberals governing us along the way granting us liberalism. Malcom Turnbull got us the Adler lever action shotgun. Perhaps the last liberal and a shooter himself.

We are one of two countries in the world, that I’m aware of where liberals and conservatives formed a coalition. A new age of politics.

[alexjones]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

So which countries are these that are so much better then Australia and what is your experience living in them..?

USA and Czech have better gun freedoms.

[perentie]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

The country of Australia that we grew up in and loved does not exist anymore!

Its not the same anymore for sure, but I still think its the best country in the world to live ,and play in. Especially here in Qld

[fnq22]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

So which countries are these that are so much better then Australia and what is your experience living in them..?

USA and Czech have better gun freedoms.

Calls australia a crap-hole and states USA is a better country..

Mate you clearly have no idea of what a crap hole USA is for working class folk...There is no comparison at all bewteen the living standards in that place and ours..but send me a postcard when you get there..

[Fester]

The first thing most politicians do when their real estate portfolio pays off is move to a rural property.
How many of them would also own rifles, heaps.

Like the old conservative club Fudds that will help finish shooting in Aus, they are of the opinion that they can have guns, just not the plebs.

They reckon the first thing that Papsmear did was add a clause that he and the top cop wouldn't lose their guns.

If the old far-right club Fudds needs explaining, then the term oxymoron does come into play.
Anyone who shoots at ranges has seen it.
The bad old ROs with the wrong attitude.
The pistol and shotgun club committees that are happy to see their club or range die off as long as they can shoot out their days.
Orgs like SSAA and RA keeping magazines banned when more normal shooters use them, than the single feeders.

Need I go on as I could, but everyone knows unless they don't get out much.

[bigrich]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

So which countries are these that are so much better then Australia and what is your experience living in them..?

USA and Czech have better gun freedoms.

Calls australia a crap-hole and states USA is a better country..

Mate you clearly have no idea of what a crap hole USA is for working class folk...There is no comparison at all bewteen the living standards in that place and ours..but send me a postcard when you get there..

i think QLD should secede from the rest of australia and try to sort things out . as it is, it seems like being old school ozzie has been "cancelled" by the modern woke citizens that inhabit our cities these days . and politicians pander to that bullsh!t . won't be long before the USA rips up the AUKUS pact the way albo is carrying on .

[fnq22]

USA and Czech have better gun freedoms.

Calls australia a crap-hole and states USA is a better country..

Mate you clearly have no idea of what a crap hole USA is for working class folk...There is no comparison at all bewteen the living standards in that place and ours..but send me a postcard when you get there..

i think QLD should secede from the rest of australia and try to sort things out . as it is, it seems like being old school ozzie has been "cancelled" by the modern woke citizens that inhabit our cities these days . and politicians pander to that bullsh!t . won't be long before the USA rips up the AUKUS pact the way albo is carrying on .

Rich I agree with all that but still australia's lifestyle, climate and general benefits far exceeds that of any of the 25 or so countries I have been too..and my American wife hasnt felt the need to return to her craphole homeland in 30 years....Its bizarre the statement that the USA is a great country just because you can own a semi auto or carry a handgun...IMO there are a lot of people that shouldnt be allowed to own either..

The biggest trouble here at the moment is definately the direction we are taking under labour and the inability of the opposition to get their crap together...it bascially then gives Albo free reign to lead us down the garden path with his unrealistic city-centric "feelgood" projects....

I remain hopeful common sense will prevail and the tide will turn before we get too far down Albo's rabbit hole..

[Billo]

Aus is a crap hole. No freedoms and over taxed and regulated. Anyone with sense would extract whatever resources they can out of it and go to a better country.

So which countries are these that are so much better then Australia and what is your experience living in them..?

We are all hoping this paid troll packs up and leaves, sadly he is full of it and hangs around

[Billo]

She was forced to leave, but I think its a good thing that she if fighting from afar - makes it very difficult for the haters to intimidate her.(Generals never fight at the frontline). I would say we should give her more support.

Sorry but she left on her own accord, I think the word Charlatan rings true here, she has zero runs on the board for protecting any of our rights.

i'd be surprised if she ever return to our shore

[bigrich]

USA and Czech have better gun freedoms.

Calls australia a crap-hole and states USA is a better country..

Mate you clearly have no idea of what a crap hole USA is for working class folk...There is no comparison at all bewteen the living standards in that place and ours..but send me a postcard when you get there..

i think QLD should secede from the rest of australia and try to sort things out . as it is, it seems like being old school ozzie has been "cancelled" by the modern woke citizens that inhabit our cities these days . and politicians pander to that bullsh!t . won't be long before the USA rips up the AUKUS pact the way albo is carrying on .

Rich I agree with all that but still australia's lifestyle, climate and general benefits far exceeds that of any of the 25 or so countries I have been too..and my American wife hasnt felt the need to return to her craphole homeland in 30 years....Its bizarre the statement that the USA is a great country just because you can own a semi auto or carry a handgun...IMO there are a lot of people that shouldnt be allowed to own either..

The biggest trouble here at the moment is definately the direction we are taking under labour and the inability of the opposition to get their crap together...it bascially then gives Albo free reign to lead us down the garden path with his unrealistic city-centric "feelgood" projects....

I remain hopeful common sense will prevail and the tide will turn before we get too far down Albo's rabbit hole..

sadly common sense isn't common anymore . labor, liberal , their both destroying this country . we've been de-industrialised due to unions pushing high wages , guvment red tape and green policy . a lot of manufacturing has packed up and moved off shore . we manufacture stuff all these days , nothing to export to build the nations wealth except minerals ,and agriculture , livestock products . the regions are the wealth of the nation these days . i live halfway between bris-vegas and the bogan miami (gold coast) , but i can see how this country has gone downhill in my lifetime . i empathise with the regions and vote accordingly . one nation, KAP and shooters party are my first choices
more and more guvment control and rules over our lives . i'll weather things as best i can and spread old school aussie spirit to everyone i meet . i love going bush as often as i can cause people in the regions are more "normal" than the deluded woke lunatics i come across on the coast .

back on topic, i preferred to give kate "lady liberty " the benefit of doubt cause from what i'd seen of her promoting shooters rights she seemed to be doing a good job . as others have alluded to the pressure of trolls would erode a persons will over time . until she comes out and says why she's moved to the USA it's all online rumour and speculation . it would be nice to move to the USA for some reasons, but folks i know who have travelled there reckon the living standards for working class are much better in OZ . but with the amount of immigration into this country our living standards are going down the toilet .

[Fester]

As we are stuck in the 2 party system, a conservative govt would be the preferred option right now to stop them weirdos taking the country down any further, but it's too late as young people were never going to let the far right have another term, and that's the only direction that the controllers and financial owner of the LNP wanted to go.

We now have a one-party system with the other mob dead in the water for possibly a decade or so.

The only change was for masses of people to not vote for the majors and vote under the line to get their own preferences.

The One-nation percentage shows that lots of people are waking up, but nothing changes until a huge number of voters gives them a major scare.

As for shooters, we all know they are their own worst enemy and some politicians have stated that shooters will never even argue, let alone fight for their rights. We are an easy-beat.

Most old shooters are very conservative, like farmers, but they will protest when the govt tries it on them.

ATM, I am so glad to live in NSW and have some SFF party support.
Unfortunately, I think Robert Borsak will retire sometime soon and no one else has long-standing credit in the big house of fools.
When he goes, other reps will lose their seats, as small people do, and we will be like the rest of the country.

I wouldn't feel too secure as a shooter in Qld right now as that govt is on the move for tougher guns laws and won't be changing direction any time soon.

[bigrich]

As we are stuck in the 2 party system, a conservative govt would be the preferred option right now to stop them weirdos taking the country down any further, but it's too late as young people were never going to let the far right have another term, and that's the only direction that the controllers and financial owner of the LNP wanted to go.

We now have a one-party system with the other mob dead in the water for possibly a decade or so.

The only change was for masses of people to not vote for the majors and vote under the line to get their own preferences.

The One-nation percentage shows that lots of people are waking up, but nothing changes until a huge number of voters gives them a major scare.

As for shooters, we all know they are their own worst enemy and some politicians have stated that shooters will never even argue, let alone fight for their rights. We are an easy-beat.

Most old shooters are very conservative, like farmers, but they will protest when the govt tries it on them.

ATM, I am so glad to live in NSW and have some SFF party support.
Unfortunately, I think Robert Borsak will retire sometime soon and no one else has long-standing credit in the big house of fools.
When he goes, other reps will lose their seats, as small people do, and we will be like the rest of the country.

I wouldn't feel too secure as a shooter in Qld right now as that govt is on the move for tougher guns laws and won't be changing direction any time soon.

yeah , it's not a two party system absolute, as independents and minor parties have held the balance on voting to stop bad policy in the past . one nation and jackie lambie have done so numerous times . america unfortunately is a two party system . SFF have also got my preferences in the past with voting . they're a bit too niche to appeal to a wider variety of voters unfortunately . as far as i'm aware QLD isn't making any moves on tougher laws, WLB is instigating this themselves, totally disregarding the police minister who's supposed to be overseeing this department . if you have any information to the contrary please share . cheers

[Fester]

When they keep all plans a secret, as they do now, and then just bring in the new policy, we just cop it with no real say.
Then they just think up more new rules until they have achieved the gun laws they want.
Policy and regulation changes need no talk fests like legislation changes.

I don't know exactly who is responsible for the Qld changes.
It seems much the same with us in NSW, seems to be the FAR doing it.
They called it an introduced trial.
Anyone who ticked the disability pension concession box, it seems, will have a "further information NEEDED" before they accept their license renewal.
A GP doctor must answer their questions to assure them that their disability effects firearm use and handling in no way.
In the years previous to this one, new license applications were being held up for 8 to 12 months but I suspect the SFFP pressure may have helped them get their license applications back to a normal processing time.

[bigrich]

When they keep all plans a secret, as they do now, and then just bring in the new policy, we just cop it with no real say.
Then they just think up more new rules until they have achieved the gun laws they want.
Policy and regulation changes need no talk fests like legislation changes.

I don't know exactly who is responsible for the Qld changes.
It seems much the same with us in NSW, seems to be the FAR doing it.
They called it an introduced trial.
Anyone who ticked the disability pension concession box, it seems, will have a "further information NEEDED" before they accept their license renewal.
A GP doctor must answer their questions to assure them that their disability effects firearm use and handling in no way.
In the years previous to this one, new license applications were being held up for 8 to 12 months but I suspect the SFFP pressure may have helped them get their license applications back to a normal processing time.

as someone else pointed out , we are a british colonial country . we have privileges, not rights , privileges can be taken away by the powers that be. hardly democratic is it ? if i was a younger man i'd consider moving to the USA myself , one of the more old world states, not california or new york state with their leftist guv'ment . but i'm a fifth generation aussie , i remember the pride of being aussie that existed when i was a kid, a view that only exists in the bush and regions , whereas the cities and suburbia are infested with woke minded world citizens , believing whatever cr@p the mainstream media and internet tell them. these days most blue collar people i know are switched off to what's going on in politics and are just trying to survive and provide for their family's. i spruik about how poorly our polies are acting in the national interest and woke policies that are destroying this nation . those i do know that admit to voting labor say they did so because the libs appear weak and disorganised . and a lot voted for albo cause he's more "likable" than mr potato head
maybe if i did move to the USA i'd say hello to lady liberty for ya's . wouldn't mind meeting and chatting with gun jesus either

[Fester]

When you look at what we had to choose from, The Potato, and Mr. Magoo, it's like watching the Dumb and Dumber movies.
Elbo has proven the woke side is a total waste of time and will fail the national interests and normal Australians.

Abbott and Co-k, Morriscum proved beyond a doubt that they are no better, but the power brokers are so corrupt that they had to stay far right so all the cuts can be pocketed by them and their mates.

The new one, Lee, will just pretend to be for the country and people to get a chance at the top job, but is more likely to finish her career and have to struggle on her special pension. She is a career liberal and knows how to backflip to tow the party line as practiced many times before.

City suburbs are where the votes are and the more multicultural, the more labor get to count.
The trend now is to vote them out when they prove beyond a doubt that they are bad, but we still just get one or the other.
Things are changing, and lots of people have woken up and stopped voting for them, but how many elections will it take to scare them into change? Several more, I suspect.

Shooters are pretty much a lost cause and that WA rally will give them the go ahead to finish them off in that state unless it is a huge turn out.

I just hope the fishos and 4x4 outddoors types get together and defeat the lockouts planned for 2030.
They have just renewed the state forest plans for the next term in NSW, and Borsak convinced and surprised Minns with our free pest control and huge economic benefit to rural areas that we hunt in.
So looks like we have some time hunting left, minns can just tell Elbo, "it's fwee"

Not that farmer matter to them, and they have some extra taxes coming their way, but they will stand up for themselves.

[womble]

I think it was 34% of the vote that didn’t go to the majors at the last election.

It’s a figure that continues to climb as has climbed over the last decade. And it is encouraging.

Shooters are not a lost cause . We hold about 10% of the vote. And that is plenty enough to effect change and protect what’s ours. And it’s growing.
But when shooters advocate for powerful anti gun parties like labor and the lnp. Then one has to question their true intentions.

The greens typically get 10% of the vote. So we have the potential to cancel them out at least.

There are a lot of parties out there. And you must take the time to read their firearms policies. And if they don’t have one then they are anti gun.

And some of those pro gun parties are currently weak on other platforms.

As are the greens. Inept and impractical with wider policies.

But if you still opt to vote anti gun. Then what quality of life do you really have when they take away your passion.

[Wapiti]

Shooters are pretty much a lost cause and that WA rally will give them the go ahead to finish them off in that state unless it is a huge turn out.
Not that farmers matter to them, and they have some extra taxes coming their way, but they will stand up for themselves.

Sad part is that when people try and gee people up to that fact, and to take the trouble to leave their screens and actually show up, you get abused by the on-line heroes. That are supposed to be "peers".

SSAA is the same. They cr@p on about supporting farmers because they want free places to hunt and shoot (membership fee required of course) but won't indemnify the hosts against the same people suing them into the poorhouse when they hurt themselves for doing it.

You do a bit of lobbying and trying to give them the issues that are holding them back, and YOU are the enemy.

The most hilarious thing about that second rally was the banner "where is the SSAA" because they weren't there. History was pre-empted there, how sad. Hiding in their guaranteed-income rifle range clubhouses, no doubt.