supposedly we are "rolling with the punches"

[eddievic]

........., this is only about that famous five letter word MONEY

shares are very hard to get in the aged care share market, apparently its a cash cow with a line up of people wanting shares

Hi mate, i noticed this post from earlier. I just wanted to clarify something. I think you might have been misinformed. Shares in any asx listed company including companies that run aged care facilities can be easily bought by creating an account with any of tens of share trading apps (including ones from most banks). Eg if you are with netbank its all online and probably take less than 15 minutes to setup.

Interestingly enough the actual shares of most aged care companies is quite low at the moment, esp after the royal commission last year and now crona. The reality is most companies are not too crash hot as far as profits are concerned and don't make a very high dividend return for their shareholders... evident in part by their share price.

For example japara healthcare, which i did have some shares, its price was ~$1.20/share last year... now its around the $0.47 mark. Last year was only giving a return of 7 cents per share... which is less than 6% return per year.

Any other question about shares feel free to ask... but probably not good in this thread i rather not go off-topic too much.

Thanks

[wanneroo]

So what's going on. The UK have a 1000 new cases a day and only 12 deaths per day. They are opening up again and people can go to pubs, restaurants and I heard football matches?

Virus mutates and weakens plus there are several therapeutic treatments for it.

[mchughcb]

Correct and i saw but can't verify HCQ used by the swiss reduced the mortality rate too.

[mchughcb]

Today it was reported that there is a 6 month legal limit on the state of emergency which ends on the 13th of September. Dan Andrews is now working with Attorney general to rush new laws to extend this indefinitely. This is why parliament must sit and vote this law down. A permanent extension of this power is akin to dictator for life.

[womble]

Well then I hope this is a law abiding virus.

[Ziege]

more and more the facts aren't pointing even remotely to what the media totes. 0.2% avg death rate is not something to be feared at all. literally no different to the hypes swine flu of past, which was a load of tripe too.

[mchughcb]

Well in the next month its going to be interesting how each state is going to react. For example if there is an outbreak are they going to shutdown to stage 3 or 4 if they get a couple of hundred per day or are they going to say , nah, 0.3% is acceptable and we will carry on.

Because they all have been applauding Victoria's draconian shutdown but to what effect? Today we had more cases and more deaths than yesterday, but Sutton said we will have a rapid drop off when Stage 4 is in. Well I'm not seeing a rapid drop off on a 7 day rolling average what I'm seeing is a slow decline that appears to have started before the stage 4 was enacted.

200817_Covid.JPG (52.54 KiB) Viewed 5954 times

[bigrich]

more and more the facts aren't pointing even remotely to what the media totes. 0.2% avg death rate is not something to be feared at all. literally no different to the hypes swine flu of past, which was a load of tripe too.

i'm not singling you out zeige, but your post holds a common veiw and i'm just posting my veiws on the current situation in general

as someone who is older , the after effects of this virus are worrying to me . ongoing breathing issues and poor health are being well documented after the worst of the virus has past , and in fit young healthy people . the issue with this virus is health care systems being overwhelmed cause it's highly contaigious , and the death rate being much higher due to people not getting treatment .which is the reason behind lockdown . i already have scarring on my lungs from a childhood illness , i really don't want to take my chances with it .

i was a doubter on the severity of this virus, but as i learn more about the situation i'm not willing to take chances over it . taking away peoples incomes , freedom of movement and such for "government control" as some see it has exactly the opposite effect . people are more controled by having them as taxpaying working slaves, generating more wealth for those at the top . pissing them off with lockdown and financial recession is not a good way of controlling a population

as for masks , i've spent years as a metal worker , and doing foundry work and a mask to me is basic PPE . it protects your own health, and in the case of this pandemic , the health of others . i can't understand the big deal about the mask debate

virus pandemics are not new to humans , they've been around longer than humans have . what amazes me is peoples resistance to basic common sense approach to dealing with it . during the second world war we basically had martial law in this country under millitary rule and all food ,fuel and resources were rationed out , with the bulk going to the war effort . ethnic minority's were sent to internment camps for security reasons . a lot of people with italian and german background would have older relatives that can probably relate to this . history should be taught and remembered as a teacher on how we've dealt with situations far more dire than the current one . remember the staunch way aussies in the past worked together to defeat our problems .

these are my observations and humble opinion. i'm not set in my veiws as new information comes to light i will learn and adapt ,
as a fifth generation colonial should

[wanneroo]

Today it was reported that there is a 6 month legal limit on the state of emergency which ends on the 13th of September. Dan Andrews is now working with Attorney general to rush new laws to extend this indefinitely. This is why parliament must sit and vote this law down. A permanent extension of this power is akin to dictator for life.

Same sort of games are going on in various states in the USA with the governors.

I'd contact your local representatives and say vote NO to that tyrannical BS.

If the Premier needs things he can work with the parliament to get those things.

[trekin]

Today it was reported that there is a 6 month legal limit on the state of emergency which ends on the 13th of September. Dan Andrews is now working with Attorney general to rush new laws to extend this indefinitely. This is why parliament must sit and vote this law down. A permanent extension of this power is akin to dictator for life.

The NZ PM has just postponed their elections for four weeks, and might put off their elections indeffently. Vic has elections next year, doesn't it?? Can Dan keep the fake figures up much longer, I doubt it. So this will be his, AND ALL other pollies, fall back plan.

[marksman]

Denial has a lot to answer for in regards to the handling of the CCP virus in the people's republic of Sicktoria
and healthy Sicktorians are sick of being in ISO because of his blunders in leadership
the vulnerable are still not being protected, just look at the death rate

4 corners has a program on tonight at 8.30 about the hotel security scandal

l bet my left nut Denial will give an apology now, its too late now Dan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/ ... e/12550832

[bigrich]

Today it was reported that there is a 6 month legal limit on the state of emergency which ends on the 13th of September. Dan Andrews is now working with Attorney general to rush new laws to extend this indefinitely. This is why parliament must sit and vote this law down. A permanent extension of this power is akin to dictator for life.

The NZ PM has just postponed their elections for four weeks, and might put off their elections indeffently. Vic has elections next year, doesn't it?? Can Dan keep the fake figures up much longer, I doubt it. So this will be his, AND ALL other pollies, fall back plan.

what are the fake figures your refering to trekin ?

[bigrich]

Denial has a lot to answer for in regards to the handling of the CCP virus in the people's republic of Sicktoria
and healthy Sicktorians are sick of being in ISO because of his blunders in leadership
the vulnerable are still not being protected, just look at the death rate

4 corners has a program on tonight at 8.30 about the hotel security scandal

l bet my left nut Denial will give an apology now, its too late now Dan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-17/ ... e/12550832

nsw and qld got the adf involved in managing qaurintine , danger dan denies there was even a offer of adf help . . i saw the 60 minutes story on the "security" gaurds a couple of weeks ago . no training and they weren't even on minimum wage . the big company contractors were making money by subcontracting out the work , mostly to people that couldn't even speak good english going by the news story

[Blr243]

I’m working night shift at the moment doing Shopfitting. Every night a security guard will wander over say hi and then they go ...But occasionally they want my I D. but I don’t really know why when I’m surrounded by power tools and covered in sawdust I’m obviously not a burglar

[Ziege]

0.1% to 0.3% global mortality rate from this and that includes comorbidity and bodged and inflated numbers. anyone who agrees with the spending, quarantines, and other garbage is a tard.

[eddievic]

Bigrich, mate 100% agree with you on this. Even in this page i see this behaviour, what would our grand parents or parents say about us.

It feels like the younger people are not scared because generally they don't suffer too many bad effects... but there have been plenty of documented cases that would refute the idea. Older people or people who are imunocompromised are in a big trouble thought.

What i also find strange... maybe its the age we are in, but its a new disease with doctors and scientists learning things as they go along. Which then politicians and media pass along. Once someone listens to something their brain is shut to any updates. Hence the confusion.

Thanks

[Ziege]

in the end... there is already an alarming amount of the population that has already had this virus and has no idea that they have. as is the case world wide. clusters are only found when someone get either symptoms at all, or most commonly severe symptoms and then again they are in a very small minority of people, as for scarring and permanent damage, almost everything we catch and suffer leaves its mark, you start young and clean and you die old and dirty, no one gets healthier as they get older, everyone dies with comorbidity issues. trying to avoid it is madness. I feel you but trying to avoid things is really just futility on the grand scale, let individuals be shut ins if they want, but everyone has forgotten that the average mortality age for this virus is 82yo and just as much as 20 years ago total life expectancy was 70yo, and 20 years before that it was 66yo, so in 40 years people have bought just shy of 15 years more lifespan on average. so factoring that in the VAST majority of those dying from the virus would have expired 15 years ago by 1970s standards. take it back 20 years before that and it gets even more alarming. so really i appreciate people being scared for their health, but instead how about appreciating that any health issue you have in this day and age, would have likely already led to your demise a few decades ago. I'm being very stoic and cold logically here but complaining about living on borrowed time as many of us are (cancer survivors, people on dialysis, COPD, diabetics, heart congestion etc etc etc) it seems that we have been so cuddled up on the pillow of modern medicine (which compared to most human existence is in its fragile infancy) that we have lost all perspective that death is a far forgotten reality for many.

[Flyer]

0.1% to 0.3% global mortality rate from this and that includes comorbidity and bodged and inflated numbers. anyone who agrees with the spending, quarantines, and other garbage is a tard.

What's your source for these figures?

[Ziege]

the swiss

[Flyer]

Swiss chocolate wrapper?

Swiss what? Put up some proof or just admit you made it up.

[Ziege]

flyer:
oh I've seen your cheap trolling before so for the sake of the thread I am not going to respond to you specifically again...

to everyone else:
lets just say there are some very easy and aforementioned figures he is too lazy to obtain, this and I have a family member directly involved in Aus Health's analytics and the actual implementation of their entire modelling/forecast system. its not as the media tells you.

[eddievic]

Why don't you share what they are doing mate. I mean if you know i definitely would like to know... at the moment i am just reading doom and gloom about this long term.

As apparently none of the current vaccines will last long term.

[Ziege]

well reality is, people die, thats never going to stop, IF the antibodies definitely disappear for all people within a few weeks then the answer is simple. forget about trying to stop it. its futile, not one nation or people on this earth can sustain the lockdowns and other garbage, its all just delaying the inevitable and a complete waste of all that the human race has been working hard to obtain. fiscally at least. not to mention the loss of freedoms will only lead to more and more suffering, the suicide rates in many places have already overshadowed the covid deaths anyhow.

[marksman]

To me it looks like 3-5% rather than 0.3%... but even if it's 0.3% that's 23m deaths...... for reference that's Australia's population.

And looking at the data, the antibodies disappear in ppl after a few weeks or a month... so its going to keep killing people every time it goes around.

And please don't anyone give me American yearly flu numbers, they are between 50-60k/ year... jumping to around 80k/ year since Trump became president. This is already double that in 6 months.

Thanks

hey eddie considering America's population compared to Australia's even at 80k a year we are farked going by this report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-11/ ... d/11949320

[bigrich]

in the end... there is already an alarming amount of the population that has already had this virus and has no idea that they have. as is the case world wide. clusters are only found when someone get either symptoms at all, or most commonly severe symptoms and then again they are in a very small minority of people, as for scarring and permanent damage, almost everything we catch and suffer leaves its mark, you start young and clean and you die old and dirty, no one gets healthier as they get older, everyone dies with comorbidity issues. trying to avoid it is madness. I feel you but trying to avoid things is really just futility on the grand scale, let individuals be shut ins if they want, but everyone has forgotten that the average mortality age for this virus is 82yo and just as much as 20 years ago total life expectancy was 70yo, and 20 years before that it was 66yo, so in 40 years people have bought just shy of 15 years more lifespan on average. so factoring that in the VAST majority of those dying from the virus would have expired 15 years ago by 1970s standards. take it back 20 years before that and it gets even more alarming. so really i appreciate people being scared for their health, but instead how about appreciating that any health issue you have in this day and age, would have likely already led to your demise a few decades ago. I'm being very stoic and cold logically here but complaining about living on borrowed time as many of us are (cancer survivors, people on dialysis, COPD, diabetics, heart congestion etc etc etc) it seems that we have been so cuddled up on the pillow of modern medicine (which compared to most human existence is in its fragile infancy) that we have lost all perspective that death is a far forgotten reality for many.

well that's a fair view of things from your perspective , i already have scarring of the lungs from a childhood illness , so even at 52 i'm probably in a risk catagory , which means that in all common sense i'm not going to take risks with my health cause i'm not ready to move on yet when i've still got a lot of living to do . part of the old school aussie ethos and anzac spirit is empathy for your fellow countrymen , and women , and coming together for the common good when the chips are down . . you must be a young man to be so cavaleer with peoples lives and lifespans Zeige . it's not the 1970's i would like to enjoy life past 66 years old mate

sadly in the modern facebook/internet brainwashed australia , the common cry amongst a lot of people is "i'm alright so f#ck everybody else . so what if some oldies die a bit sooner " some of those oldies built and served this country to make it what it is today . to give the younger generations a country of easy living and opportunites that are the envy of the rest of the world . quite a few of the members on this forum are older than 50.....i don't want to hear about anyone on here pegging out early cause the virus finished them off

just a total lack of compassion and empathy by some . shame , shame , shame

JMHO

[Ziege]

there are other factors too, Australia's populations are foolishly concentrated in a few cities, this is making an incubator for these airborne illnesses, every bus, train, taxi/uber/etc, every food hall, every public dunny, every public enclosed space or densely trafficked area is a boiling pot for disease. Americas population is far more spread out and in many ways their cities are insular of one another. so Australia having massive flu outbreaks is far from surprising, that and in all my travels abroad the worst two offenders for not keeping their pestilence to themselves by means of coughing and sneezing incessantly on others and in planes etc are Australians and Chinese, followed closely by Indians and Kiwis. When I attended Highschool the school was 50/50 American to Australian kids and teachers, the american kids used to excuse themselves from the class to pass gas and cough and sneeze and always washed before re-entering, whilst the aussie kids were like a pack of savages. perhaps this is due to their families being military and more disciplined, in any case the difference was like chalk and cheese.

[bigrich]

there are other factors too, Australia's populations are foolishly concentrated in a few cities, this is making an incubator for these airborne illnesses, every bus, train, taxi/uber/etc, every food hall, every public dunny, every public enclosed space or densely trafficked area is a boiling pot for disease. Americas population is far more spread out and in many ways their cities are insular of one another. so Australia having massive flu outbreaks is far from surprising, that and in all my travels abroad the worst two offenders for not keeping their pestilence to themselves by means of coughing and sneezing incessantly on others and in planes etc are Australians and Chinese, followed closely by Indians and Kiwis. When I attended Highschool the school was 50/50 American to Australian kids and teachers, the american kids used to excuse themselves from the class to pass gas and cough and sneeze and always washed before re-entering, whilst the aussie kids were like a pack of savages. perhaps this is due to their families being military and more disciplined, in any case the difference was like chalk and cheese.

interesting observations , your definately on the money with cultural habits being a influence in the spread of the "china" virus

[womble]

We should be exporting Roos there for lonely Chinese men who like plus size females

[Ziege]

sounds solid, when we starting this enterprise?

[womble]

I’ll have a big McBat burger and a large flies
Does the happy meal still come with the toy cockroach for our fat boy child