At what cost to protect yourself?

[Techc]

Try walking into a bank with a motor cycle helmet on and see how far you get.

You get to the floor?

[1290]

Its not about whether we have the right to self defence, thats a given; its about the right to carry 'something' to aid in our defence...pepper spray, firearms whatever.....

I am uncertain if you actually, with respect, actually understand what is written. The right to defend yourself is just that. "A person may use such force as he" etc, 462a of the crimes act. Read and understand, this is a silly subject, its there know it and use what you will. Stop looking for more than there is, "reasonable and proportionate" leave it at that and walk away. I like your statement that it's a given, if you know that, then why ask?

Hey, I dont need to when I've got you to interpret it for me

[Utcherd]

You get to the floor?

"escorted" to the floor