What the UN and a possible Labor Gubbamint will do..........

[Gaznazdiak]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

[PaddyT]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

Agree 100%, as i pointed out in my first post my father was at one point considered to be a "dirty wog refo" and he was anything but, he was part of the previous mass immigration wave into this country which frankly could only be called a success. The issues for me are that no one on any side of Australian politics actually wants a sensible debate on the current rate of immigration and what our country should look like in the future, they all just dog whistle with it , as for Hanson, she is the ultimate dogwhistler. There are s!@t people in every community , end of story. Start chucking them in gaol, just as LAFO's hate to be tarred with the brush of the mass shooters, I can tell you ethnic communities hate to be tarred with the brush of their bad apples. Judge individuals, not communities.

[bigfellascott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

[Gaznazdiak]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

Agree 100%, as i pointed out in my first post my father was at one point considered to be a "dirty wog refo" and he was anything but, he was part of the previous mass immigration wave into this country which frankly could only be called a success. The issues for me are that no one on any side of Australian politics actually wants a sensible debate on the current rate of immigration and what our country should look like in the future, they all just dog whistle with it , as for Hanson, she is the ultimate dogwhistler. There are s!@t people in every community , end of story. Start chucking them in gaol, just as LAFO's hate to be tarred with the brush of the mass shooters, I can tell you ethnic communities hate to be tarred with the brush of their bad apples. Judge individuals, not communities.

Spot on Paddy. We wouldn't have been able to build infrastructure like the Snowy Hydro without them.
John O'Grady's "They're A Weird Mob" portrayed the European migrant experience perfectly.

What I find so hard to understand is how people can spout such obvious hyperbole.
There can only be 2 explanations in my view.
Either they are.mean spirited xenophobes who just don't like anyone who is remotely different from them, stemming from the conceited notion that they are the be-all and end-all of evolutionary progress, or they are just too catastrophically stupid to know the difference between reasoned, evidence based debate and childish exaggeration.

Everyone has the innate right to think and feel what they want, whatever fits best with how their mindset filters the world around them, even if it is poisonous rubbish. Where they go wrong is shoveling it out as absolute truth.

There are no non-migrants in Australia, everyone migrated here at one stage, it's just a matter of time scale.
My ancestors were shipped here in chains for hijacking a shipload of pork in 19th Century London.
Even the Aboriginal people migrated here.

As I tried point out earlier in the thread, our birthrate has been declining for over 40yrs, the numbers don't drink latte, drive a Prius and vote for the Greens, they are irrefutable. Australia's average population is getting older and it's not just because we are living longer.
Without an increase in the birthrate we will end up as a nation of elderly retirees with no industrial capability, and then perhaps we will end up being swamped by a tide of Asia's poorest people because there will be no one young enough to stop them. See I can do hyperbole too.

[PaddyT]

Loved John O'Grady as a young bloke, still have a copy of Gone Fishing at home. The need for migration is there but we rally need to have an informed debate on what this country will look like in the future. The pollies say that our economy is built on the pillars of services, financial services and mining. I will add real estate to that- so my pessimistic side says that our future consists of 1. digging crap out of the ground, 2. selling each other real estate, 3. selling each other lattes and 4. avoiding tax- I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.

[Gaznazdiak]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with having the main thrust of your economy based on mining, if that is, the country digging up the minerals gets the profit.
Unfortunately we have a 2 party dictatorship system that has sold us out to vested interests and overseas multinationals culminating in Australia only receiving about 15% of the profits from our own resources.
The gas deposits being exploited as we speak are being thrown away for even less.
We have no strategic reserves, we get about 10% of the value of our gas and people in Tokyo and Seoul have a better, more reliable source of Australian gas than people in Sydney and Melbourne, at a cheaper price.

Instead of selling themselves to the first bidder, Norway started a national oil company to develop their North Sea oil deposits and now has a soveriegn wealth fund of over a $1trillion, that on its own made them $131billion in profit last year.
Australia on the other hand is on track to get the second lowest national return for our minerals in the world

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4z2uv.html

[marksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

[Daddybang]

Unfortunately we have a 2 party dictatorship system that has sold us out to vested interests and overseas multinationals

Instead of selling themselves to the first bidder, Norway started a national oil company to develop their North Sea oil deposits and now has a soveriegn wealth fund of over a $1trillion, that on its own made them $131billion in profit last year.
Australia on the other hand is on track to get the second lowest national return for our minerals in the world

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4z2uv.html

We may disagree on some things Gaz but on this I agree 100%

[Gaznazdiak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

[Sergeant Hartman]

I think the issue is that white ppl are being oppressed in australia. Well that's what I read in another forum. Also how Jews are part of the opressive problem.

[marksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

but Gaz do you agree or not that what is filmed has happened?
we also have parts of melbourne and surrounds that are not ozzie friendly that I have seen
is that how its supposed to be
multiculturalism worked for some but has not for all
some don't want to integrate they want to take over, re-watch the films

[Gaznazdiak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

but Gaz do you agree or not that what is filmed has happened?
we also have parts of melbourne and surrounds that are not ozzie friendly that I have seen
is that how its supposed to be
multiculturalism worked for some but has not for all
some don't want to integrate they want to take over, re-watch the films

No mate, I'm not disputing the vision or the fact that it shows real events.
I'm not disputing the fact that there are some serious problems with allowing enclaves like Washwood in Birmingham or Marseilles in France to become established as no go zones.
I'm also not disputing the fact that Britain and Europe have a big problem with the flood of migration that is made possible by their geographic proximity to areas of conflict and their porous land borders.

What I do object to is that violent, knuckledraggers like Cottrell and his Neo-Nazi UPF take examples like these videos and try to fit them to the Australian context.

They conveniently ignore the fact that our geographical isolation makes the sort of thing that is happening in the northern hemisphere impossible here and use videos like these to sh!t stir for purely political purposes.

I just don't like extremists, Left, Right, Christian, Muslem, Vegan, right to life, environmental, I just don't like people who are so narrow minded they think they are the sole repository of unimpeachable truth.
They all appeal to the lowest common denominator and by doing so in a violent and intolerant fashion shut down any constructive options for dealing with genuine issues.

You can not debate with extremists because they are only willing to see their own very narrow points and deny anyone the right to a different opinion.

Several posters here, including myself, have stated that we believe that Australia has a genuine need for continuing, controlled migration, yet there are those who purposely conflate that with calls for "unvetted mass migration". Whether that is because they lack the intellectual subtlety to understand the difference or because they are simply racist bigots is not easily discernible on a textual forum such as this.

Yes there can be problems involved in people from widely different cultures mixing together, but trying to shut down reasoned debate by going to extremes will never be the solution.

Let's never forget where extremists take us if we let them, they have started every war in history and that is the only thing their methods lead to.

My feelings towards extremists of all kinds is best expressed by the Rage Against The Machine song "Killing in The Name", a song written to protest against the endemic institutional racism in America. My feelings are most concisely encapsulated by the final verse.


Killing In The Name https://g.co/kgs/1pTFZ2

[bigfellascott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqY4Z1fTrMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxrkFqc7iP8

[Gaznazdiak]

Lauren Southern

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/201 ... dney-event

[marksman]

fark you, I wont do what you tell me
motherfarker
arrg

[Gaznazdiak]

fark you, I wont do what you tell me
motherfarker
arrg

It's funny how music can express things so simply, eh?
Another of their's that says what I feel rather strongly:

Know Your Enemy https://g.co/kgs/9QAdR7

Best played with the base turned up and at ear-bleed volume

[Stix]

Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.

Here's one just for ya Gaz...!!

2018-08-06 17.28.09.jpg (269.63 KiB) Viewed 5583 times

Its on every toilet door on this building site...

[Gaznazdiak]

Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.

Here's one just for ya Gaz...!!

2018-08-06 17.28.09.jpg

Its on every toilet door on this building site...

Ha ha haaaa,
It's about bloody time.
Nothing worse than nursing a giant grogan while bouncing around in your machine only to get to the dunny with it crowning only to find the seat splattered with used laksa.
Mate, I love diversity, but it does NOT extend to where I park my blurter.

[Stix]

Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.

Here's one just for ya Gaz...!!

2018-08-06 17.28.09.jpg

Its on every toilet door on this building site...

Ha ha haaaa,
It's about bloody time.
Nothing worse than nursing a giant grogan while bouncing around in your machine only to get to the dunny with it crowning only to find the seat splattered with used laksa.
Mate, I love diversity, but it does NOT extend to where I park my blurter.

Ahhh
Man you have a way with words...i got cramp...!!!

I love diversity too mate, i really do...food people & cultures...but that would definately curb the love if it kept happening.

& im still laughing...
'Crowning'...
Last that happened to me i rushed past the saftey guy on the way to the dunnie & said 'call the midwife' with a little urgency in my voice...
He said s**t whats happened out there...?
I said nothin out there mate-its about to happen in here...im fully dilated, my water just broke, and its heads pokin out...eehhh...oh no i think thats an elbow...

Yea i know...too much info...but it was funny at the time...

[Gaznazdiak]

Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.

Here's one just for ya Gaz...!!

2018-08-06 17.28.09.jpg

Its on every toilet door on this building site...

Ha ha haaaa,
It's about bloody time.
Nothing worse than nursing a giant grogan while bouncing around in your machine only to get to the dunny with it crowning only to find the seat splattered with used laksa.
Mate, I love diversity, but it does NOT extend to where I park my blurter.

Ahhh
Man you have a way with words...i got cramp...!!!

I love diversity too mate, i really do...food people & cultures...but that would definately curb the love if it kept happening.

& im still laughing...
'Crowning'...
Last that happened to me i rushed past the saftey guy on the way to the dunnie & said 'call the midwife' with a little urgency in my voice...
He said s**t whats happened out there...?
I said nothin out there mate-its about to happen in here...im fully dilated, my water just broke, and its heads pokin out...eehhh...oh no i think thats an elbow...

Yea i know...too much info...but it was funny at the time...

I laugh so much I pee Iself, run down I leg and sting Iself.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Rotfl

[bigfellascott]

Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.

Here's one just for ya Gaz...!!

2018-08-06 17.28.09.jpg

Its on every toilet door on this building site...

Ha ha haaaa,
It's about bloody time.
Nothing worse than nursing a giant grogan while bouncing around in your machine only to get to the dunny with it crowning only to find the seat splattered with used laksa.
Mate, I love diversity, but it does NOT extend to where I park my blurter.

love it.

[Gaznazdiak]

Well it seems I misspoke earlier when stating that our main migration numbers come from Britain and Un Zud.

As one of my youngest rellies said to me once "You are so last century".

According to a report I read this morning, and one report from one academic doesn't mean it's incontrivertable, Australia's main intake is now skewed to Indian and Chinese.
It also indirectly states that we are forming the enclaves we really should be trying to prevent with Africans mostly in Perth, Eurasians in Sydney and Melbourne and Kiwis on the Gold Coast.

This still doesn't mean I would support a total cessation, just perhaps conditions placed on areas of settlement. If that's possible or even morally defensible.

I really hate it when I pontificate only to find I had the bovine by the testes.

Australia's population hits 25 million today. Who will the newest resident be?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-07/a ... y/10077100

[Gwion]

What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.

I agree with a lot of what you say mate, but things are a hell of a lot different these days. In the past migrants got two parts of sweet FA, from the government on arrival. The onus was on them to find a job and make a life for themselves.

These days there is extremely generous welfare entitlements, in a lot of cases more generous than Australian citizens including pensioners, and there are certain demographics that after 5 years around 90% are still out of work as well as being very over represented in welfare fraud and crime figures.

And I can assure you, while I am a fairly right wing person, I am no racist. I hate every bludger equally and have nothing but respect for people who work hard and make a go of whatever they choose to do. Just whatever you do don’t bite the hand that feeds you, whether someone was born here, or came on a boat or a plane is irrelevant in my book.

On the subject of government wasting billions of dollars annually, I agree wholeheartedly. There needs to be accountability, none of this we have learned from... rubbish which is lapped up by the voting public. But we have krudd and Conroy to thank for the $150b nbn, Telstra quoted $40b to build it, but Labor said they could do it for $30b. A family friend was the managing director of the Australian arm of a multinational company, long story short there was an incident where a disgruntled ex employee broke in to the work place and caused a damage bill in the millions. That guy is doing a stint in the big house, but the board tapped the director on the shoulder and said, someone’s head must roll and he was made redundant. No involvement whatsoever, but it was under his watch. That is the difference between public and private enterprise.
Cheers

Actually, during past immigration/refugee influxes, immigrants were allotted jobs and accommodation on state and national infastructure projects.

[bigfellascott]

More chimp out action from the lastest imported waste of space the Gov't have let live here!

https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/ ... -gathering

[bigrich]

nah, ya can't impose law and order or penalties on this lot, that would be racist..........

[Gaznazdiak]

nah, ya can't impose law and order or penalties on this lot, that would be racist..........

Race didn't have anything to do with
those riots, there were all races involved.

Oh, wait........

[Lifesaride]

What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.

I agree with a lot of what you say mate, but things are a hell of a lot different these days. In the past migrants got two parts of sweet FA, from the government on arrival. The onus was on them to find a job and make a life for themselves.

These days there is extremely generous welfare entitlements, in a lot of cases more generous than Australian citizens including pensioners, and there are certain demographics that after 5 years around 90% are still out of work as well as being very over represented in welfare fraud and crime figures.

And I can assure you, while I am a fairly right wing person, I am no racist. I hate every bludger equally and have nothing but respect for people who work hard and make a go of whatever they choose to do. Just whatever you do don’t bite the hand that feeds you, whether someone was born here, or came on a boat or a plane is irrelevant in my book.

On the subject of government wasting billions of dollars annually, I agree wholeheartedly. There needs to be accountability, none of this we have learned from... rubbish which is lapped up by the voting public. But we have krudd and Conroy to thank for the $150b nbn, Telstra quoted $40b to build it, but Labor said they could do it for $30b. A family friend was the managing director of the Australian arm of a multinational company, long story short there was an incident where a disgruntled ex employee broke in to the work place and caused a damage bill in the millions. That guy is doing a stint in the big house, but the board tapped the director on the shoulder and said, someone’s head must roll and he was made redundant. No involvement whatsoever, but it was under his watch. That is the difference between public and private enterprise.
Cheers

Actually, during past immigration/refugee influxes, immigrants were allotted jobs and accommodation on state and national infastructure projects.

Exactly, and they worked their bloody rings out. These days the only work is heading off to Centrelink.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Mate be it a Sudanese or an aussie kid the law and cops are to lenient. I firmly believe that if there are no consequences for the actions then the person doesn't learn. I would blame the judiciary and politicians etc first then these kids.

[bigrich]

The pollies and cops don’t act when they should, because people are real quick to play the racism card these days. If those kids were euro Ozzie kids, their would have been action. A mate of mine had trouble with a employee truck driver, soon as cops heard a Sudanese name they didn’t want to know. And ya can’t tell me they don’t realise that and use it.I’ve lived and worked with a lot of folks of different backgrounds, especially Pacific Islander, but some groups are just here for the gravy train and have no respect for this country or the already existing culture. IMHO