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Post by Daddybang » 02 Aug 2018, 6:59 pm

Sorry mate chop chop is black market tobacco and yeah I agree when it comes to pot but it is illegal and generates big dollars and the things that are done to protect those dollars are pretty f@#ken disgraceful.
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Post by Tiger650 » 02 Aug 2018, 7:08 pm

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.
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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 8:40 pm

Jäger wrote:Forgive my ignorance, what is chop chop?
In this day and age, pot should not be illegal.


The ol hollywood stereotype of credit/business card through white stuff on a glass coffee table i suspect...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:05 pm

Daddybang wrote:Sorry mate chop chop is black market tobacco and yeah I agree when it comes to pot but it is illegal and generates big dollars and the things that are done to protect those dollars are pretty f@#ken disgraceful.
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According to the Bureau of Statistics Australians spend around $3.8 billion every year on weed, directed by legislators straight into the hands of organized crime.
The gummint spends another $1.05 billion trying to stop them.

A total of nearly $5 billion that could be redirected to worthwhile causes like homelessness if they were to follow Uruguay's example and not only legalize it but supply and regulate it.

Australia, where fun goes to die.

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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 9:06 pm

Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:28 pm

Stix wrote:Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...


Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.
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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 10:18 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Stix wrote:Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...


Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.


Yea...gees eh...its not hard...

I know its not funny at the time...but fuk thats funny...!!!
Reminds me of an old joke along the lines of taking salts..'.-geezuss what a mess, there's sh1t everywhere-what kind of salts do you take...?
"Summer-salts"... :clap: :lol:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 03 Aug 2018, 12:29 am

What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.
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Post by bigfellascott » 03 Aug 2018, 12:34 am

I don't like blowins that cause nothing but trouble, they should be f***ed back off to where they came from, we don't need em or want them and we should have the right to piss em off if they start their s**t here.

Have a go at those black f***s down in Vic, they seriously need tapping on the f***ing head big time IMHO.
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Post by Daddybang » 03 Aug 2018, 6:49 am

Ziad wrote: I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.


When most families in THIS country are struggling to make ends meet why import more people to support. If our economy wasn't in such a sh@thouse state then maybe but the simple fact is that Australia can't support its current population growth. If ya don't wanna see Chinese style breeding laws in place here then we need to stop importing people for a while. As BFS said our resources are not infinite and as far as countries like Ethiopia and Turkey and Pakistan would ya like to see life here become as cheap as it is in those places? :drinks:
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Post by Lifesaride » 03 Aug 2018, 7:34 am

Ziad wrote:What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.


I agree with a lot of what you say mate, but things are a hell of a lot different these days. In the past migrants got two parts of sweet FA, from the government on arrival. The onus was on them to find a job and make a life for themselves.

These days there is extremely generous welfare entitlements, in a lot of cases more generous than Australian citizens including pensioners, and there are certain demographics that after 5 years around 90% are still out of work as well as being very over represented in welfare fraud and crime figures.

And I can assure you, while I am a fairly right wing person, I am no racist. I hate every bludger equally and have nothing but respect for people who work hard and make a go of whatever they choose to do. Just whatever you do don’t bite the hand that feeds you, whether someone was born here, or came on a boat or a plane is irrelevant in my book.

On the subject of government wasting billions of dollars annually, I agree wholeheartedly. There needs to be accountability, none of this we have learned from... rubbish which is lapped up by the voting public. But we have krudd and Conroy to thank for the $150b nbn, Telstra quoted $40b to build it, but Labor said they could do it for $30b. A family friend was the managing director of the Australian arm of a multinational company, long story short there was an incident where a disgruntled ex employee broke in to the work place and caused a damage bill in the millions. That guy is doing a stint in the big house, but the board tapped the director on the shoulder and said, someone’s head must roll and he was made redundant. No involvement whatsoever, but it was under his watch. That is the difference between public and private enterprise.
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Post by PaddyT » 03 Aug 2018, 9:05 am

I am going to tell you my own experiences and you can make up your own minds, my dad came here in 1958 as a refo from Hungary-escaped across the Yugoslav border in Nov 1956 in a meter of snow, hearing people getting shot dead around him as he walked. He spent a year in a recycled concentration camp (the yugoslav commo's just took an old Nazi camp and reused it) in a place called Gerovo which is now part of Slovenia. The camp was full of murderers, common crims, politicals and Hungarian refugees like him. The UN Care organisation eventually did a deal with the Yugo government to take the Hungarians off their hands and the Australian and Canadian governments took about 3000 refugees between them. Dad got of the boat in 1958 in Sydney and merged into the Hungarian diaspora that was already here, got a job within a week and never missed a days work between then and retirement. He came to Australia with NO ENGLISH and a congenital deafness but managed to get a Bsc in Biological Science and a Masters in Occ Health and Safety despite it being a bit of a miracle that he could learn English. AND heres the upshot- he got treated like s**t by so many AUSSIES that its mind boggling (cause he was a short, dark skinned wog with an accent who couldnt understand what people were saying 'cause he was deaf)I remember him telling me about a foundry he worked in where the Wogs werent allowed to sit in the lunchroom and werent allowed to join the union (not that he would of- he hated anything to do with socialism). He worked bloody hard, studied part time and contributed to the community - he built a soccer club with fields with a couple of "wog" mates, he had no help , no hand outs, no nothing other than his own hard work. The group of old family friends I grew up with had lots of Hungarians but became intertwined with lots of other ethnicities including aussies and not one of them held any loyalty to any country other than Australia. Personally i married a European girl ( I am a 6 ft2 brown haired , blue eyed "aussie") and my wife is a petite blue eyed blond with an accent- she gets treated like s**t at times too because of the accent-usually by ignorant assholes (not realising she has a BEcon) and speaks 4 languages- becuase she is different- she works her arse off and doesnt tolerate fools, she wasnt a refo but came here because of me (love is blind). If people want to have a debate about the quantity of immigration into this country go right ahead (personaly i think its too high and too fast becuase I have deep concerns about the environment and big city infrastructure) but please do not question the value of the individuals who come to this country unless they prove otherwise . There are s**t people in every society just as there are good.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 10:06 am

Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=
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Post by Daddybang » 03 Aug 2018, 10:30 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=


Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at. :drinks:
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Post by PaddyT » 03 Aug 2018, 11:06 am

Daddybang wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=


Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at. :drinks:


Yep , this is a bloody worry, where i live in the hawkesbury River valley we have some of the countries finest agricultural land covered in turf farms and now houses- doesnt make sense to me
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 11:27 am

Daddybang wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=


Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at. :drinks:


That's just the point of the link I posted though Daddybang, according to census, Births Deaths and Marriages and the Bureau of Statistics, our birthrate has been falling since 1974. On the basis of that fact, without immigrants our population would be in decline.

Not just the birthrate of the blonde haired, blue eyed, bronzed life saver types some people insist are the only real Australians, but all people in Australia, black white and brindle coloured.

More people are dying and migrating than the birthrate can keep up with.

Australia is, like every country, a business. If the stock on your farm were dying or escaping faster than they were breeding you'll have to go to the saleyards to get more or go under. It's simple economics.

I was raised to question everything and take nothing at face value. When politicians with a vested interest in stirring the easily stirred with hyperbole, and I am pointing no fingers here, see an advantage by picking an issue that is as divisive as immigration, they will without compunction, lie through their teeth to get an advantage. A simple bit of research can show their lies for what they are.

Hanson trotted out the "We are being flooded by Asians" line to stir up the rednecks, and it worked because that's what they wanted to hear.
The truth is we get far more immigrants from Britain and New Zealand, but they blend in and aren't such an easy target for sh!t stirring.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 12:54 pm

Tiger650 wrote:I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.


A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040
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Post by Daddybang » 03 Aug 2018, 2:29 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Daddybang wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=


Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at. :drinks:


That's just the point of the link I posted though Daddybang, according to census, Births Deaths and Marriages and the Bureau of Statistics, our birthrate has been falling since 1974. On the basis of that fact, without immigrants our population would be in decline.

Not just the birthrate of the blonde haired, blue eyed, bronzed life saver types some people insist are the only real Australians, but all people in Australia, black white and brindle coloured.

More people are dying and migrating than the birthrate can keep up with.

Australia is, like every country, a business. If the stock on your farm were dying or escaping faster than they were breeding you'll have to go to the saleyards to get more or go under. It's simple economics.

I was raised to question everything and take nothing at face value. When politicians with a vested interest in stirring the easily stirred with hyperbole, and I am pointing no fingers here, see an advantage by picking an issue that is as divisive as immigration, they will without compunction, lie through their teeth to get an advantage. A simple bit of research can show their lies for what they are.

Hanson trotted out the "We are being flooded by Asians" line to stir up the rednecks, and it worked because that's what they wanted to hear.
The truth is we get far more immigrants from Britain and New Zealand, but they blend in and aren't such an easy target for sh!t stirring.
:drinks:


To stick with ya stock analogy when I get to many animals for the resources on my land I shoot a couple :lol:
Maybe a decline in population wouldn't be such a bad thing for a while. :unknown: :drinks:
PS contrary to what has been said by some my thoughts on immigrants are based purely on population vs resources not race. :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 2:44 pm

Daddybang wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Daddybang wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=


Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at. :drinks:


That's just the point of the link I posted though Daddybang, according to census, Births Deaths and Marriages and the Bureau of Statistics, our birthrate has been falling since 1974. On the basis of that fact, without immigrants our population would be in decline.

Not just the birthrate of the blonde haired, blue eyed, bronzed life saver types some people insist are the only real Australians, but all people in Australia, black white and brindle coloured.

More people are dying and migrating than the birthrate can keep up with.

Australia is, like every country, a business. If the stock on your farm were dying or escaping faster than they were breeding you'll have to go to the saleyards to get more or go under. It's simple economics.

I was raised to question everything and take nothing at face value. When politicians with a vested interest in stirring the easily stirred with hyperbole, and I am pointing no fingers here, see an advantage by picking an issue that is as divisive as immigration, they will without compunction, lie through their teeth to get an advantage. A simple bit of research can show their lies for what they are.

Hanson trotted out the "We are being flooded by Asians" line to stir up the rednecks, and it worked because that's what they wanted to hear.
The truth is we get far more immigrants from Britain and New Zealand, but they blend in and aren't such an easy target for sh!t stirring.
:drinks:


To stick with ya stock analogy when I get to many animals for the resources on my land I shoot a couple :lol:
Maybe a decline in population wouldn't be such a bad thing for a while. :unknown: :drinks:
PS contrary to what has been said by some my thoughts on immigrants are based purely on population vs resources not race. :drinks:


Mate I'm not saying you're a racist, I don't know you so that would be an ignorant value judgment.

What I am saying is you simply have the numbers wrong on the resources/ food production/population issue.

We have one of the highest arable land per capita ratios in the world at over 2 hectares per person and we export 65% of the food we grow here.

Those numbers show definitively that your worry is misplaced.

https://theconversation.com/how-many-pe ... feed-76460
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Post by Lifesaride » 03 Aug 2018, 3:27 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Tiger650 wrote:I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.


A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040


Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 03 Aug 2018, 4:01 pm

Hmm some good points some fud. Now I unfortunately have a internet habit of keep arguing.... until I realize the other side is not gonna see the facts as I see them.

Gaz has said points and I thank him for his incitefull comments. The other side has also made some good comments.

Now going to this farming and stock analogy. Refugees are cattle you take from another farmer doing really badly in drought, saving them from death and famine. Sure you will not have unlimited resources, and not all the cattle you take on will recover and fatten up. Some will die off some will learn from existing cattle how to hide in the bushes and jump fences to not have to be sent to the market. We have enough land to be easily self sufficient to produce any resources we need..... but the reality is that many aussies wan't too work in a hard lowish paying job far from the city. The labor cost for anything is so bloody expensive. Also we as customers want shinny perfect looking food.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 4:22 pm

Lifesaride wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Tiger650 wrote:I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.


A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040


Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.


On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.
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Post by Daddybang » 03 Aug 2018, 4:38 pm

Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is. :thumbsup: :friends: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 5:05 pm

Daddybang wrote:Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is. :thumbsup: :friends: :drinks:


Fair enough Daddybang, that's OK with me. We are all entitled to see things as our view shapes them.
And yes, we can respectfully agree to disagree.
What a boring old world it would be if everyone was the same, eh?
On the rain subject, it looks like Huey's trying to give it a go down here. Hope he's not just p***k teasing.
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Post by Lifesaride » 03 Aug 2018, 5:07 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Lifesaride wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Tiger650 wrote:I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.


A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040


Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.


On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.

That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google. It was actually widely reported when the rioting started a couple of years ago, before the army stepped in yet again. I will attempt to find articles by I can guarantee they won’t be from the ny times or the guardian.

Edit
1 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18395788
2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18497110
That’s about 3 minutes worth of looking
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 03 Aug 2018, 6:08 pm

Lifesaride wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Lifesaride wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Tiger650 wrote:I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.


A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040


Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.


On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.

That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google. It was actually widely reported when the rioting started a couple of years ago, before the army stepped in yet again. I will attempt to find articles by I can guarantee they won’t be from the ny times or the guardian.

Edit
1 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18395788
2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18497110
That’s about 3 minutes worth of looking


Thanks for those links.
According to the BBC links you provided it was 2 accusations of rape and a rumor spread on social media.
Not really grounds for the systematic ethnic cleansing that's going on there.
Yes, two men have been covicted for the rape and murder of a single Buddhist woman.
Are you seriously suggesting that over 600,000 people somehow deserve to be terrorized, displaced, raped and killed on that basis?

The Rohingya fought with the British and the Australians against the Japanese during WW2 and were promised their own state and self determination, something the British reneged on afterwards.
The Burmese nationalists fought with the Japanese against us.
Your assertion that anything from what you consider"left" is unreliable speaks volumes.
You are suggesting that only right wing news sources are reliable, what you actually mean is they are the only ones who say what you want to hear.
Dismissing someone or something with which you disagree as irrelevant because they don't support your view of how the world should work is the sort of intellectual laziness that feeds the extremism that is plaguing the world.
Every extremist and terrorist, every dictator and KKK lynch mob all share that same proclivity to only believe what supports thier narrow views.
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Post by Lifesaride » 04 Aug 2018, 7:08 am

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.
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Post by Daddybang » 04 Aug 2018, 7:22 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Daddybang wrote:Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is. :thumbsup: :friends: :drinks:


Fair enough Daddybang, that's OK with me. We are all entitled to see things as our view shapes them.
And yes, we can respectfully agree to disagree.
What a boring old world it would be if everyone was the same, eh?
On the rain subject, it looks like Huey's trying to give it a go down here. Hope he's not just p***k teasing.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 04 Aug 2018, 8:41 am

My question is ok let's say both sides are at fault but look at the response from both sides.

Is it ok if a kid throws a stone at your car that you go and bash the living day light out of the kid.... and while you there demolish his house with your excavator or think it's justified that you can rape his mother and sisters. All cuz one kid did it. Next step is that you and your mates put on white bed sheet and go on rampage and burn all the houses of the relatives... and cuz you are still not happy so decide that you kill any ppl that have similar skin color or from same ethnic background..... ohh s**t as I said this is history repeating itself.

Academics call this extreme right wing ideology. And even ASIO has come out and saying they are worried about the alarming rise of extreme right wing ideology in young kids in Australia.

We teach others about friendship, mate ship and tolerance and empathy as one of the basic values of Australians.... but at many times we don't actually do them ourselves
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 04 Aug 2018, 10:11 am

Lifesaride wrote:No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.


I may have been guilty of putting the wrong subtext to your words, but when you refer to a repressed minority as, "The bloody Rohingya, people of such quality even the Buddhists lost patience with them" it seems as though you are suggesting they are of lesser intrinsic value and deserve what is happening. If there is another way of interpreting that statement that has eluded me, my apologies.

As to the left/right information source, your statement "That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google." was in relation to not being able to find the supposedly "widely reported" incidents you claim were the cause of the Rohingya's plight.
That doesn't even need subtextual nuance, that is plainly saying that anything reported by anyone you consider to be "left" will not report the truth as you see it.
I am not saying every Rohingya is a sweet natured angel, they are human after all.
The current crisis point in this decades long saga was brought to the boil when a tiny minority within the Rohingya got fed up with being treated like sh!t in the country they have lived in for generations, denied citizenship and basic human rights, and fought back.How many times would you let someone slap your face before you fought back?

As to whether Google is a leftist organization, Robert Rossney, one of the engineers working for them put it best:

"As Stephen Colbert has observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Engineering organizations tend towards so-called “liberal” positions because the practice of engineering emphasizes finding workable solutions, and you can’t come up with workable solutions without accurately assessing the state of the world.

American conservatism, especially over the last 30 years, has come to value ideology over evidence. That’s fine if you don’t have to make anything that works. But if you’re concerned with functionality, as engineers are, you have to go where the evidence takes you. And to conservatives, that will make you appear leftist.

Google does have ideological biases. The primary one is right there in its mission statement. Is making information universally accessible and useful is a good thing? It seems likely to me that it is, but it’s a lot harder to prove and disprove than other ideological positions, like “tax cuts improve investment and promote general prosperity,” which are provably false."
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