What the UN and a possible Labor Gubbamint will do..........

[Gaznazdiak]

Not arguing, just saying.
On the subject of Australia needing Chinese style breeding restrictions:

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf ... num=&view=

Not saying we need it now but if our population growth continues as is and our food production keeps getting impacted by drought or lack of land etc and our resources are used at the same rate (or increases)then in future it may have to be looked at.

That's just the point of the link I posted though Daddybang, according to census, Births Deaths and Marriages and the Bureau of Statistics, our birthrate has been falling since 1974. On the basis of that fact, without immigrants our population would be in decline.

Not just the birthrate of the blonde haired, blue eyed, bronzed life saver types some people insist are the only real Australians, but all people in Australia, black white and brindle coloured.

More people are dying and migrating than the birthrate can keep up with.

Australia is, like every country, a business. If the stock on your farm were dying or escaping faster than they were breeding you'll have to go to the saleyards to get more or go under. It's simple economics.

I was raised to question everything and take nothing at face value. When politicians with a vested interest in stirring the easily stirred with hyperbole, and I am pointing no fingers here, see an advantage by picking an issue that is as divisive as immigration, they will without compunction, lie through their teeth to get an advantage. A simple bit of research can show their lies for what they are.

Hanson trotted out the "We are being flooded by Asians" line to stir up the rednecks, and it worked because that's what they wanted to hear.
The truth is we get far more immigrants from Britain and New Zealand, but they blend in and aren't such an easy target for sh!t stirring.

To stick with ya stock analogy when I get to many animals for the resources on my land I shoot a couple
Maybe a decline in population wouldn't be such a bad thing for a while.
PS contrary to what has been said by some my thoughts on immigrants are based purely on population vs resources not race.

Mate I'm not saying you're a racist, I don't know you so that would be an ignorant value judgment.

What I am saying is you simply have the numbers wrong on the resources/ food production/population issue.

We have one of the highest arable land per capita ratios in the world at over 2 hectares per person and we export 65% of the food we grow here.

Those numbers show definitively that your worry is misplaced.

https://theconversation.com/how-many-pe ... feed-76460

[Lifesaride]

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.

A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040

Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Hmm some good points some fud. Now I unfortunately have a internet habit of keep arguing.... until I realize the other side is not gonna see the facts as I see them.

Gaz has said points and I thank him for his incitefull comments. The other side has also made some good comments.

Now going to this farming and stock analogy. Refugees are cattle you take from another farmer doing really badly in drought, saving them from death and famine. Sure you will not have unlimited resources, and not all the cattle you take on will recover and fatten up. Some will die off some will learn from existing cattle how to hide in the bushes and jump fences to not have to be sent to the market. We have enough land to be easily self sufficient to produce any resources we need..... but the reality is that many aussies wan't too work in a hard lowish paying job far from the city. The labor cost for anything is so bloody expensive. Also we as customers want shinny perfect looking food.

[Gaznazdiak]

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.

A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040

Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.

On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.

[Daddybang]

Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is.

[Gaznazdiak]

Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is.

Fair enough Daddybang, that's OK with me. We are all entitled to see things as our view shapes them.
And yes, we can respectfully agree to disagree.
What a boring old world it would be if everyone was the same, eh?
On the rain subject, it looks like Huey's trying to give it a go down here. Hope he's not just p***k teasing.

[Lifesaride]

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.

A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040

Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.

On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.

That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google. It was actually widely reported when the rioting started a couple of years ago, before the army stepped in yet again. I will attempt to find articles by I can guarantee they won’t be from the ny times or the guardian.

Edit
1 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18395788
2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18497110
That’s about 3 minutes worth of looking

[Gaznazdiak]

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.

A couple of those pesky facts that always cloud a good discussion.

On the Rohingya:
https://theconversation.com/the-history ... ngya-84040

Interestingly the author of the article failed to delve into the main cause of the current hostilities between the buddhists and the Rohingya. There has been many years of sexual assaults on you girls and boys from the buddhist villages, so I believe fault definitely lays on both sides of the fence.

On the Rohingya and sexual assaults:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/worl ... rapes.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... -forces-un

https://www.firstpost.com/world/rohingy ... 12763.html

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN12S0AN

I could not find one single report of Rohingya being the perpetrators of rape or sexual assaults, but so many reports of them being raped by the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar that the UN has blacklisted their army for systematically using rape as a weapon.

Unless you pulled that accusation out of your blurter to try to bolster a spurious position, you should be able to back it up, please do.

That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google. It was actually widely reported when the rioting started a couple of years ago, before the army stepped in yet again. I will attempt to find articles by I can guarantee they won’t be from the ny times or the guardian.

Edit
1 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-18395788
2 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18497110
That’s about 3 minutes worth of looking

Thanks for those links.
According to the BBC links you provided it was 2 accusations of rape and a rumor spread on social media.
Not really grounds for the systematic ethnic cleansing that's going on there.
Yes, two men have been covicted for the rape and murder of a single Buddhist woman.
Are you seriously suggesting that over 600,000 people somehow deserve to be terrorized, displaced, raped and killed on that basis?

The Rohingya fought with the British and the Australians against the Japanese during WW2 and were promised their own state and self determination, something the British reneged on afterwards.
The Burmese nationalists fought with the Japanese against us.
Your assertion that anything from what you consider"left" is unreliable speaks volumes.
You are suggesting that only right wing news sources are reliable, what you actually mean is they are the only ones who say what you want to hear.
Dismissing someone or something with which you disagree as irrelevant because they don't support your view of how the world should work is the sort of intellectual laziness that feeds the extremism that is plaguing the world.
Every extremist and terrorist, every dictator and KKK lynch mob all share that same proclivity to only believe what supports thier narrow views.

[Lifesaride]

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.

[Daddybang]

Only problem with the arable land is that (as any farmer will know) is that apart from 1 or two very Small areas Australian soil needs phosphate added to be viable which we have to import.so we have to sell a lot of what we produce to pay for it. We also send sh@tloads of our produce overseas and then pay a premium to get it back.
Now I don't know what effect the drought is having down South but I'm watching the effects of several years of it up here and out West and I can honestly say I don't believe our resources are up to what lies a head if our population growth continues as is. So I will respectfully agree to disagree with those who believe it is.

Fair enough Daddybang, that's OK with me. We are all entitled to see things as our view shapes them.
And yes, we can respectfully agree to disagree.
What a boring old world it would be if everyone was the same, eh?
On the rain subject, it looks like Huey's trying to give it a go down here. Hope he's not just p***k teasing.

[Sergeant Hartman]

My question is ok let's say both sides are at fault but look at the response from both sides.

Is it ok if a kid throws a stone at your car that you go and bash the living day light out of the kid.... and while you there demolish his house with your excavator or think it's justified that you can rape his mother and sisters. All cuz one kid did it. Next step is that you and your mates put on white bed sheet and go on rampage and burn all the houses of the relatives... and cuz you are still not happy so decide that you kill any ppl that have similar skin color or from same ethnic background..... ohh s**t as I said this is history repeating itself.

Academics call this extreme right wing ideology. And even ASIO has come out and saying they are worried about the alarming rise of extreme right wing ideology in young kids in Australia.

We teach others about friendship, mate ship and tolerance and empathy as one of the basic values of Australians.... but at many times we don't actually do them ourselves

[Gaznazdiak]

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.

I may have been guilty of putting the wrong subtext to your words, but when you refer to a repressed minority as, "The bloody Rohingya, people of such quality even the Buddhists lost patience with them" it seems as though you are suggesting they are of lesser intrinsic value and deserve what is happening. If there is another way of interpreting that statement that has eluded me, my apologies.

As to the left/right information source, your statement "That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google." was in relation to not being able to find the supposedly "widely reported" incidents you claim were the cause of the Rohingya's plight.
That doesn't even need subtextual nuance, that is plainly saying that anything reported by anyone you consider to be "left" will not report the truth as you see it.
I am not saying every Rohingya is a sweet natured angel, they are human after all.
The current crisis point in this decades long saga was brought to the boil when a tiny minority within the Rohingya got fed up with being treated like sh!t in the country they have lived in for generations, denied citizenship and basic human rights, and fought back.How many times would you let someone slap your face before you fought back?

As to whether Google is a leftist organization, Robert Rossney, one of the engineers working for them put it best:

"As Stephen Colbert has observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Engineering organizations tend towards so-called “liberal” positions because the practice of engineering emphasizes finding workable solutions, and you can’t come up with workable solutions without accurately assessing the state of the world.

American conservatism, especially over the last 30 years, has come to value ideology over evidence. That’s fine if you don’t have to make anything that works. But if you’re concerned with functionality, as engineers are, you have to go where the evidence takes you. And to conservatives, that will make you appear leftist.

Google does have ideological biases. The primary one is right there in its mission statement. Is making information universally accessible and useful is a good thing? It seems likely to me that it is, but it’s a lot harder to prove and disprove than other ideological positions, like “tax cuts improve investment and promote general prosperity,” which are provably false."

[Hangfire]

Its interesting people get upset about the generally absent exteme right while giving a free pass to group like antifa on the extreme left as they shut down free speech and tear down the society that gives them their freedoms. Hell when classical liberals are considered right wing s**t is getting weird.

[Lifesaride]

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.

I may have been guilty of putting the wrong subtext to your words, but when you refer to a repressed minority as, "The bloody Rohingya, people of such quality even the Buddhists lost patience with them" it seems as though you are suggesting they are of lesser intrinsic value and deserve what is happening. If there is another way of interpreting that statement that has eluded me, my apologies.

As to the left/right information source, your statement "That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google." was in relation to not being able to find the supposedly "widely reported" incidents you claim were the cause of the Rohingya's plight.
That doesn't even need subtextual nuance, that is plainly saying that anything reported by anyone you consider to be "left" will not report the truth as you see it.
I am not saying every Rohingya is a sweet natured angel, they are human after all.
The current crisis point in this decades long saga was brought to the boil when a tiny minority within the Rohingya got fed up with being treated like sh!t in the country they have lived in for generations, denied citizenship and basic human rights, and fought back.How many times would you let someone slap your face before you fought back?

As to whether Google is a leftist organization, Robert Rossney, one of the engineers working for them put it best:

"As Stephen Colbert has observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Engineering organizations tend towards so-called “liberal” positions because the practice of engineering emphasizes finding workable solutions, and you can’t come up with workable solutions without accurately assessing the state of the world.

American conservatism, especially over the last 30 years, has come to value ideology over evidence. That’s fine if you don’t have to make anything that works. But if you’re concerned with functionality, as engineers are, you have to go where the evidence takes you. And to conservatives, that will make you appear leftist.

Google does have ideological biases. The primary one is right there in its mission statement. Is making information universally accessible and useful is a good thing? It seems likely to me that it is, but it’s a lot harder to prove and disprove than other ideological positions, like “tax cuts improve investment and promote general prosperity,” which are provably false."

I also never made the “bloody Rohingya...” quote, I reckon it may be worth going back a page mate. I havent once apportioned 100% guilt to either side. I think this disagreement may be happening because you attributed another members comment to me. My comments have simply been along the lines that some blame rests on both sides of the fence in this particular situation.

I do agree with the majority of what you are saying also.

[Gaznazdiak]

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.

I may have been guilty of putting the wrong subtext to your words, but when you refer to a repressed minority as, "The bloody Rohingya, people of such quality even the Buddhists lost patience with them" it seems as though you are suggesting they are of lesser intrinsic value and deserve what is happening. If there is another way of interpreting that statement that has eluded me, my apologies.

As to the left/right information source, your statement "That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google." was in relation to not being able to find the supposedly "widely reported" incidents you claim were the cause of the Rohingya's plight.
That doesn't even need subtextual nuance, that is plainly saying that anything reported by anyone you consider to be "left" will not report the truth as you see it.
I am not saying every Rohingya is a sweet natured angel, they are human after all.
The current crisis point in this decades long saga was brought to the boil when a tiny minority within the Rohingya got fed up with being treated like sh!t in the country they have lived in for generations, denied citizenship and basic human rights, and fought back.How many times would you let someone slap your face before you fought back?

As to whether Google is a leftist organization, Robert Rossney, one of the engineers working for them put it best:

"As Stephen Colbert has observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Engineering organizations tend towards so-called “liberal” positions because the practice of engineering emphasizes finding workable solutions, and you can’t come up with workable solutions without accurately assessing the state of the world.

American conservatism, especially over the last 30 years, has come to value ideology over evidence. That’s fine if you don’t have to make anything that works. But if you’re concerned with functionality, as engineers are, you have to go where the evidence takes you. And to conservatives, that will make you appear leftist.

Google does have ideological biases. The primary one is right there in its mission statement. Is making information universally accessible and useful is a good thing? It seems likely to me that it is, but it’s a lot harder to prove and disprove than other ideological positions, like “tax cuts improve investment and promote general prosperity,” which are provably false."

I also never made the “bloody Rohingya...” quote, I reckon it may be worth going back a page mate. I havent once apportioned 100% guilt to either side. I think this disagreement may be happening because you attributed another members comment to me. My comments have simply been along the lines that some blame rests on both sides of the fence in this particular situation.

I do agree with the majority of what you are saying also.

Buggeration, I bloody hate doing stupid sh!t like that.

My apologies, it was Tiger650, not you.

Colour me bright red right now.
And not in the political sense.

It doesn't take much to confuse me. Show me 2 shovels and tell me to take my pick and I'm fvcked.

[Lifesaride]

My question is ok let's say both sides are at fault but look at the response from both sides.

Is it ok if a kid throws a stone at your car that you go and bash the living day light out of the kid.... and while you there demolish his house with your excavator or think it's justified that you can rape his mother and sisters. All cuz one kid did it. Next step is that you and your mates put on white bed sheet and go on rampage and burn all the houses of the relatives... and cuz you are still not happy so decide that you kill any ppl that have similar skin color or from same ethnic background..... ohh s**t as I said this is history repeating itself.

Academics call this extreme right wing ideology. And even ASIO has come out and saying they are worried about the alarming rise of extreme right wing ideology in young kids in Australia.

We teach others about friendship, mate ship and tolerance and empathy as one of the basic values of Australians.... but at many times we don't actually do them ourselves

I understand what you’re saying, but one point I believe needs mentioning is a large disparity in the numbers of people imprisoned for or charged under the terrorism act, from extreme right wing groups and groups who adhere to certain fundamental religious views.

[Lifesaride]

No I am definitely not suggesting that at all mate. I am simply pointing out that there is generally more to the story than is reported by some sources. As I said it was widely reported back back around 2010-14 when things started to heat up in Myanmar. I am just a little skeptical that the Rohingya are 100% blameless in this conflict. If you could point me back to where I said they deserve what they are going through at present that would be appreciated, as I don’t believe I said that or that they do in fact deserve to be displaced.

On the point of left vs right wing media, I think you may have misunderstood me. Once again you are putting words in my mouth, I never said the articles were wrong, I said that I doubted there would actually be any articles from those sources who mention the crimes of Rohingya. I just read through about a dozen articles from very left leaning sources published around 2012 and could not find a mention of any wrongdoing by the Muslim minority. I often read both left and right sources on a subject as BOTH seem to conveniently leave out the parts of the story that don’t suit their agenda.

I may have been guilty of putting the wrong subtext to your words, but when you refer to a repressed minority as, "The bloody Rohingya, people of such quality even the Buddhists lost patience with them" it seems as though you are suggesting they are of lesser intrinsic value and deserve what is happening. If there is another way of interpreting that statement that has eluded me, my apologies.

As to the left/right information source, your statement "That’s probably because each of those articles are published in very left wing sources which are prioritised over and conservative sources by the very left wing google." was in relation to not being able to find the supposedly "widely reported" incidents you claim were the cause of the Rohingya's plight.
That doesn't even need subtextual nuance, that is plainly saying that anything reported by anyone you consider to be "left" will not report the truth as you see it.
I am not saying every Rohingya is a sweet natured angel, they are human after all.
The current crisis point in this decades long saga was brought to the boil when a tiny minority within the Rohingya got fed up with being treated like sh!t in the country they have lived in for generations, denied citizenship and basic human rights, and fought back.How many times would you let someone slap your face before you fought back?

As to whether Google is a leftist organization, Robert Rossney, one of the engineers working for them put it best:

"As Stephen Colbert has observed, reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Engineering organizations tend towards so-called “liberal” positions because the practice of engineering emphasizes finding workable solutions, and you can’t come up with workable solutions without accurately assessing the state of the world.

American conservatism, especially over the last 30 years, has come to value ideology over evidence. That’s fine if you don’t have to make anything that works. But if you’re concerned with functionality, as engineers are, you have to go where the evidence takes you. And to conservatives, that will make you appear leftist.

Google does have ideological biases. The primary one is right there in its mission statement. Is making information universally accessible and useful is a good thing? It seems likely to me that it is, but it’s a lot harder to prove and disprove than other ideological positions, like “tax cuts improve investment and promote general prosperity,” which are provably false."

I also never made the “bloody Rohingya...” quote, I reckon it may be worth going back a page mate. I havent once apportioned 100% guilt to either side. I think this disagreement may be happening because you attributed another members comment to me. My comments have simply been along the lines that some blame rests on both sides of the fence in this particular situation.

I do agree with the majority of what you are saying also.

Buggeration, I bloody hate doing stupid sh!t like that.

My apologies, it was Tiger650, not you.

Colour me bright red right now.
And not in the political sense.

It doesn't take much to confuse me. Show me 2 shovels and tell me to take my pick and I'm fvcked.

All good, it’s bloody hard having a debate with a keyboard and a screen compared to face to face over a beer or three

[Homer]

G'Day Fella's,

When I posted this thread, I fully expected it to get some amount of reaction.......... but not this much.

Please also remember, that there are people out there, that actually want this type of unvetted mass migration into Australia, and apparently, on this forum.

Avagreatweekendeh!
Homer

[Gaznazdiak]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

[PaddyT]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

Agree 100%, as i pointed out in my first post my father was at one point considered to be a "dirty wog refo" and he was anything but, he was part of the previous mass immigration wave into this country which frankly could only be called a success. The issues for me are that no one on any side of Australian politics actually wants a sensible debate on the current rate of immigration and what our country should look like in the future, they all just dog whistle with it , as for Hanson, she is the ultimate dogwhistler. There are s!@t people in every community , end of story. Start chucking them in gaol, just as LAFO's hate to be tarred with the brush of the mass shooters, I can tell you ethnic communities hate to be tarred with the brush of their bad apples. Judge individuals, not communities.

[bigfellascott]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

[Gaznazdiak]

I've just reread all 3 pages of comments on this thread, Homer, and I can't find anyone calling for "unvetted mass migration into Australia", not one.
Just the opposite.
That is just pure Hansonite "We're being swamped" nonsense.

Agree 100%, as i pointed out in my first post my father was at one point considered to be a "dirty wog refo" and he was anything but, he was part of the previous mass immigration wave into this country which frankly could only be called a success. The issues for me are that no one on any side of Australian politics actually wants a sensible debate on the current rate of immigration and what our country should look like in the future, they all just dog whistle with it , as for Hanson, she is the ultimate dogwhistler. There are s!@t people in every community , end of story. Start chucking them in gaol, just as LAFO's hate to be tarred with the brush of the mass shooters, I can tell you ethnic communities hate to be tarred with the brush of their bad apples. Judge individuals, not communities.

Spot on Paddy. We wouldn't have been able to build infrastructure like the Snowy Hydro without them.
John O'Grady's "They're A Weird Mob" portrayed the European migrant experience perfectly.

What I find so hard to understand is how people can spout such obvious hyperbole.
There can only be 2 explanations in my view.
Either they are.mean spirited xenophobes who just don't like anyone who is remotely different from them, stemming from the conceited notion that they are the be-all and end-all of evolutionary progress, or they are just too catastrophically stupid to know the difference between reasoned, evidence based debate and childish exaggeration.

Everyone has the innate right to think and feel what they want, whatever fits best with how their mindset filters the world around them, even if it is poisonous rubbish. Where they go wrong is shoveling it out as absolute truth.

There are no non-migrants in Australia, everyone migrated here at one stage, it's just a matter of time scale.
My ancestors were shipped here in chains for hijacking a shipload of pork in 19th Century London.
Even the Aboriginal people migrated here.

As I tried point out earlier in the thread, our birthrate has been declining for over 40yrs, the numbers don't drink latte, drive a Prius and vote for the Greens, they are irrefutable. Australia's average population is getting older and it's not just because we are living longer.
Without an increase in the birthrate we will end up as a nation of elderly retirees with no industrial capability, and then perhaps we will end up being swamped by a tide of Asia's poorest people because there will be no one young enough to stop them. See I can do hyperbole too.

[PaddyT]

Loved John O'Grady as a young bloke, still have a copy of Gone Fishing at home. The need for migration is there but we rally need to have an informed debate on what this country will look like in the future. The pollies say that our economy is built on the pillars of services, financial services and mining. I will add real estate to that- so my pessimistic side says that our future consists of 1. digging crap out of the ground, 2. selling each other real estate, 3. selling each other lattes and 4. avoiding tax- I hope I am wrong but I have my doubts.

[Gaznazdiak]

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with having the main thrust of your economy based on mining, if that is, the country digging up the minerals gets the profit.
Unfortunately we have a 2 party dictatorship system that has sold us out to vested interests and overseas multinationals culminating in Australia only receiving about 15% of the profits from our own resources.
The gas deposits being exploited as we speak are being thrown away for even less.
We have no strategic reserves, we get about 10% of the value of our gas and people in Tokyo and Seoul have a better, more reliable source of Australian gas than people in Sydney and Melbourne, at a cheaper price.

Instead of selling themselves to the first bidder, Norway started a national oil company to develop their North Sea oil deposits and now has a soveriegn wealth fund of over a $1trillion, that on its own made them $131billion in profit last year.
Australia on the other hand is on track to get the second lowest national return for our minerals in the world

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4z2uv.html

[marksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

[Daddybang]

Unfortunately we have a 2 party dictatorship system that has sold us out to vested interests and overseas multinationals

Instead of selling themselves to the first bidder, Norway started a national oil company to develop their North Sea oil deposits and now has a soveriegn wealth fund of over a $1trillion, that on its own made them $131billion in profit last year.
Australia on the other hand is on track to get the second lowest national return for our minerals in the world

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4z2uv.html

We may disagree on some things Gaz but on this I agree 100%

[Gaznazdiak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

[Sergeant Hartman]

I think the issue is that white ppl are being oppressed in australia. Well that's what I read in another forum. Also how Jews are part of the opressive problem.

[marksman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

but Gaz do you agree or not that what is filmed has happened?
we also have parts of melbourne and surrounds that are not ozzie friendly that I have seen
is that how its supposed to be
multiculturalism worked for some but has not for all
some don't want to integrate they want to take over, re-watch the films

[Gaznazdiak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58xKnZq-1sM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVGEyye3i7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnmI9eFzO9A

the truth is sometimes very hard to watch

And sometimes it's hard to distinguish from propaganda.

Happen to notice the logo in the top right hand corner of the first clip?

NSF with that emblem stands for the National Socialist Front, a now defunct Swedish Neo-Nazi group.

but Gaz do you agree or not that what is filmed has happened?
we also have parts of melbourne and surrounds that are not ozzie friendly that I have seen
is that how its supposed to be
multiculturalism worked for some but has not for all
some don't want to integrate they want to take over, re-watch the films

No mate, I'm not disputing the vision or the fact that it shows real events.
I'm not disputing the fact that there are some serious problems with allowing enclaves like Washwood in Birmingham or Marseilles in France to become established as no go zones.
I'm also not disputing the fact that Britain and Europe have a big problem with the flood of migration that is made possible by their geographic proximity to areas of conflict and their porous land borders.

What I do object to is that violent, knuckledraggers like Cottrell and his Neo-Nazi UPF take examples like these videos and try to fit them to the Australian context.

They conveniently ignore the fact that our geographical isolation makes the sort of thing that is happening in the northern hemisphere impossible here and use videos like these to sh!t stir for purely political purposes.

I just don't like extremists, Left, Right, Christian, Muslem, Vegan, right to life, environmental, I just don't like people who are so narrow minded they think they are the sole repository of unimpeachable truth.
They all appeal to the lowest common denominator and by doing so in a violent and intolerant fashion shut down any constructive options for dealing with genuine issues.

You can not debate with extremists because they are only willing to see their own very narrow points and deny anyone the right to a different opinion.

Several posters here, including myself, have stated that we believe that Australia has a genuine need for continuing, controlled migration, yet there are those who purposely conflate that with calls for "unvetted mass migration". Whether that is because they lack the intellectual subtlety to understand the difference or because they are simply racist bigots is not easily discernible on a textual forum such as this.

Yes there can be problems involved in people from widely different cultures mixing together, but trying to shut down reasoned debate by going to extremes will never be the solution.

Let's never forget where extremists take us if we let them, they have started every war in history and that is the only thing their methods lead to.

My feelings towards extremists of all kinds is best expressed by the Rage Against The Machine song "Killing in The Name", a song written to protest against the endemic institutional racism in America. My feelings are most concisely encapsulated by the final verse.


Killing In The Name https://g.co/kgs/1pTFZ2