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Post by Homer » 02 Aug 2018, 8:38 am

G'Day Fella's,

Here are a couple of links for you, that answer a lot of questions (about imigration).
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/0 ... migration/

And now what would probably happen, if the Labor party win the next election.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustr ... tion=group

D'oh!
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 02 Aug 2018, 9:21 am

It's so interesting tip see history repeat itself, just like in early parts of the last century, the ultra nationalistic and ultra right wing parties that came into power with support of legions of disenfranchised masses...I find it's starting to happen again.... maybe we should look at history and what happened learn from the mistakes. Yes I am taking about Nazi Germany and ww2.

The reality is that there are will over 20m refugees in the world at any one time... and poor countries like Ethiopia (1m), Turkey(3m) and Pakistan(2m) house the majority. Did you know in 2016 in Lebanon one in every six person in that country was a refugee.

I think ppl saying that Australia, (who only takes like 24,000 ppl a year) take too many... honestly makes me angry.

What makes me more upset is ppl who don't see they being manipulated by politicians who make these statements to scare ppl to get more votes. And then these same ppl complain when the politicians make rules about other things that affect them. Eg guns... they manipulate other population to pass draconian laws against firearms. And the cycle continues
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:47 am

Brietbart and Facebook, two totally unimpeachable sources of unbiased "truth".
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:55 am

Well said Ziad.

These sort of beatups always appeal to the lowest rung of the intellectual ladder.

The Germans were in a sh!t state after the depression and the over the top reparations demanded at Versailles.

How do you make someone who feels they are hard done by feel empowered, give them an easy target who can't fight back and demonize them.
Worked for Mr Shickelgruber's little boy.
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Post by Blutius Maximus » 02 Aug 2018, 10:20 am

The moment my eyes landed on the link and saw breitbart, they started rolling to the back of my head.
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Post by pomemax » 02 Aug 2018, 11:01 am

The world of immigration described with gumballs for people who do not understand whats going on, worth watching till the end .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 11:35 am

pomemax wrote:The world of immigration described with gumballs for people who do not understand whats going on, worth watching till the end .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE


Roy Beck?
Really?
No bias from Good Ole Boy Roy.

How about another view

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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 12:22 pm

After some reflection on my flippant dismissal of Roy and his balls, I feel I should qualify it.

A lot of what he and those like him have to say is valid.
I too believe that allowing hundreds of millions of poor, uneducated migrants to flood unchecked into developed countries would be a disaster.
The hosts would be overwhelmed and they would end up in the same boat as the countries of origin.
What I object to is their use of valid points to make an invalid argument.

"Help them there" he says, but I can not find one solution offered by Roy et al beyond the "we don't want them here" in his numerous presentations.

The old adage about teaching a man how to fish applies here too.
The problem is, Western nations have grown to where we are in large part by exploiting these poorer nations resources and paying them fractions of a cent on the dollar and leaving ecological destruction for them to deal with.

The generational effect is obvious. If you grow up dead poor, eating dirt and watching others on the other side of the "fence" eating ice cream, one day you'll realise you have little to lose by knocking the fence down and taking it by force.

I haven't anywhere near the intellectual horsepower to pull a fix-all solution out of my bum, but locking the gates on these billions is only going to come back to bite us.

My apologies for the overabundance of analogies.
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Post by bullzeye » 02 Aug 2018, 12:37 pm

Homer wrote:G'Day Fella's,

Here are a couple of links for you, that answer a lot of questions (about imigration).
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/0 ... migration/

And now what would probably happen, if the Labor party win the next election.
https://www.facebook.com/alanjonesaustr ... tion=group

D'oh!
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Post by bigfellascott » 02 Aug 2018, 3:22 pm

It's a worry alright, why are we so dead set on this crap and the energy BS which clearly is a load of BS, some 1600 coal fired power stations are being built around the world using our coal to fuel most of em yet we are s**t scared to build one and are hell bent on shutting em down here. Seriously people are f***ed in the head if they vote either lib or Labour, it's time people looked outside the box and found someone who will fight for Australia instead of fighting for human rights and the environment BS that is shoved down our throats on a daily basis.

WAKE THE f*** UP AND REALISE WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY!!
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Post by Blutius Maximus » 02 Aug 2018, 4:18 pm

Instead of fighting for human rights?

So.... make slavery great again? :huh:

Sorry, I don't know where you're going with that one.
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Post by bigfellascott » 02 Aug 2018, 4:36 pm

We've got enough free loading deadshits coming into this country, we certainly don't need anymore as it will be more of a drain on our limited financial resources which are finite and not never-ending as some would have us believe.
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Post by Blutius Maximus » 02 Aug 2018, 5:18 pm

Don't buy into the BS propaganda that's served up to you from a distance. It's designed to get you angry at "something".

The reality is, immigrants are some of the hardest working people you'll find. They are trying to build a new life. they will typically have stronger family values than your average Australian.
One moment they'll argue immigrants are a drain on our welfare system, and the next it will be they are taking our jobs.
Typically, they come here, work harder than most Australians, and contribute to society.

You know what immigrants do? They come and make our society a more diverse and better place. Take a walk down Lygon St Melbourne, Richmond, Springvale & Clayton. It's great.

Your view of them as free loaders is misguided. It merely serves some self interested parties to present them like that for their own personal gain.
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Post by Daddybang » 02 Aug 2018, 5:55 pm

Jäger wrote:The reality is, immigrants are some of the hardest working people you'll find. They are trying to build a new life. they will typically have stronger family values than your average Australian.

Typically, they come here, work harder than most Australians, and contribute to society.
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Some fairly reaching comments there jager.
Immigrants are like any other section of society some work hard some don't. Some have good family values some don't.
Some contribute some don't.
To say they are all good or all bad for the country is being blind to reality
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Post by Blutius Maximus » 02 Aug 2018, 6:03 pm

I didn't say all. I said typically, which is absolutely true.

For example, vast majority of Italians who came here were hard working and great for the country. Some weren't.
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Post by Daddybang » 02 Aug 2018, 6:35 pm

Jäger wrote:I didn't say all. I said typically, which is absolutely true.

For example, vast majority of Italians who came here were hard working and great for the country. Some weren't.


In my part of the country a hell of a lot of the Italian immigrant families are connected to organised crime especially the production of pot and chop chop but hey they work hard!!
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Post by Blutius Maximus » 02 Aug 2018, 6:41 pm

Forgive my ignorance, what is chop chop?
In this day and age, pot should not be illegal.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 02 Aug 2018, 6:58 pm

G'day Jager mate i'm not one to take any notice of BS as you call it and I don't talk it I get straight to the point
So, what you said about the BS is pretty much in my thinking to it makes people angry and also some immigrants do work well
but where you lost me was when you said they come here and work harder than most Australians ( I take it your not Australian ?)There are hard workers and bludgers in both parties
And they are supposed to have better family ties than the average Australian sounds like your not happy with Australians mate

You said immigrants are some of the hardest working people ( I disagree with that you should have said '' Some of the immigrants are some of the best workers
you'll find'' )
I have worked with migrants-immigrants and there is just as many bludgers in them as in Australians or any other race
As far as them being freeloaders well you can't rule out that some would be how many is unknown
Then there is ( it merely serves some self interested parties ) No mate the people that think that way probably watch the ''NEWS'' and see these people
whom have been brought over here and are now planning to blow up people ( Australian and any other race ) for self interest
I myself would call them ''FREELOADERS'' after taking Australian help and generosity and yes its only a few but it gives the good ones a bad image
It's no wonder some people don't trust immigrants and its their choice to do so
I believe in a fair go for all that is any race

Why take a walk through those places you mention ", taking a walk doesn't mean there aren't any freeloaders living or working there
Anyway mate everyone is entitled to have their say on this forum and receive respect for it as I do
Although I say it as I see it, and I don't accept Australians being down graded because of their ideas, ideals or opinions on matters of any description
This is supposed to be a free country so you may later find that some peoples thoughts and ideas are well founded at times

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Post by Daddybang » 02 Aug 2018, 6:59 pm

Sorry mate chop chop is black market tobacco and yeah I agree when it comes to pot but it is illegal and generates big dollars and the things that are done to protect those dollars are pretty f@#ken disgraceful.
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Post by Tiger650 » 02 Aug 2018, 7:08 pm

I am wondering why Australia should import people on the basis of "refugee status" as declared by the UN and their fellow travelers ?
You socialists have a cosy/touchy feely/ view of the world which is divorced from reality, all good if consequences were confined to yourselves but we all get to eat a piece of the s#It sandwich which is "progressive" universal immigration.
We are importing many thousands of bloody Rhoninga, people of such quality that even Buddhists finally lost patience and pissed them off over the border into Bangladesh.
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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 8:40 pm

Jäger wrote:Forgive my ignorance, what is chop chop?
In this day and age, pot should not be illegal.


The ol hollywood stereotype of credit/business card through white stuff on a glass coffee table i suspect...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:05 pm

Daddybang wrote:Sorry mate chop chop is black market tobacco and yeah I agree when it comes to pot but it is illegal and generates big dollars and the things that are done to protect those dollars are pretty f@#ken disgraceful.
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According to the Bureau of Statistics Australians spend around $3.8 billion every year on weed, directed by legislators straight into the hands of organized crime.
The gummint spends another $1.05 billion trying to stop them.

A total of nearly $5 billion that could be redirected to worthwhile causes like homelessness if they were to follow Uruguay's example and not only legalize it but supply and regulate it.

Australia, where fun goes to die.

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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 9:06 pm

Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 02 Aug 2018, 9:28 pm

Stix wrote:Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...


Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.
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Post by Stix » 02 Aug 2018, 10:18 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Stix wrote:Jagar...
I get what you are saying...but allow the 'redneck' in me to vent...

Yesterday i went to the toilet on a big commercial building site...nothin different there...but what made that visit to the trough different was the guy i said hello to while in the pisser...
He was asian...
I said "Ay mate aie'ya'gaahn"... (lol).
He looked at me strange, kinda like i headbutted the wall & he didnt know why...
So i thought id say..."hello mate" with a more pronounced & correct vocabulary...
He muttered a sound something like "heh"...

So i asked him what he's doing there...?
He looked at me like i was a fukhead & turned his head on the side like a dog does...

So i asked again, "what WORK are you doing" in a very clear voice...
He muttered a non descript sound with a confused tone & shrug of the shoulders...

So i said..."work" & mimed a lifting, cutting, & drilling motion...

He looked at me like I was a fukhead & he wanted to fight...
Muttered a noise i think was a 'sorry' & stormed off...

Just my opinion here...but if you cant be so bothered to even learn the most basic of greetings in the country you get granted immigration & working/living rights to, then you can fuk the hell off back to the sh1t slum you came from...& you can do it on a leaky boat that might not make it back as far as im concerned..!!!

Learn a bit of local custom & show some RESPECT for sh1ts sake...i certainly did when i went to his fukn country...!!!

And before you repremand me, they were struggling to basic lifting of eave cement sheets & fix them in place...


Not to mention muddy bootprints on the toilet seat and sh!t just about everywhere but actually in the bowl.
We had some Asian laborers on a big landscaping job once that were great workers but we had to bin them because they would not accept that you sh!t in the toilet not all over it.


Yea...gees eh...its not hard...

I know its not funny at the time...but fuk thats funny...!!!
Reminds me of an old joke along the lines of taking salts..'.-geezuss what a mess, there's sh1t everywhere-what kind of salts do you take...?
"Summer-salts"... :clap: :lol:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 03 Aug 2018, 12:29 am

What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.
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Post by bigfellascott » 03 Aug 2018, 12:34 am

I don't like blowins that cause nothing but trouble, they should be f***ed back off to where they came from, we don't need em or want them and we should have the right to piss em off if they start their s**t here.

Have a go at those black f***s down in Vic, they seriously need tapping on the f***ing head big time IMHO.
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Post by Daddybang » 03 Aug 2018, 6:49 am

Ziad wrote: I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.


When most families in THIS country are struggling to make ends meet why import more people to support. If our economy wasn't in such a sh@thouse state then maybe but the simple fact is that Australia can't support its current population growth. If ya don't wanna see Chinese style breeding laws in place here then we need to stop importing people for a while. As BFS said our resources are not infinite and as far as countries like Ethiopia and Turkey and Pakistan would ya like to see life here become as cheap as it is in those places? :drinks:
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Post by Lifesaride » 03 Aug 2018, 7:34 am

Ziad wrote:What everyone forgets isa that everyone's family were migrants. Ohh wait unless you speak English and are from English background the others are beneath your status. Do you also tell yourself you are not racist.

As I said we don't really take that many refugees considering how lucky and wealthy we are. I do agree not all immigrants or refugees work hard, many don't and are on benefits. So I am agreeing with you about that, I just think we should follow more Christian (most religions or just human) values and help the poor or the needy.

Hey I pay taxes and while I don't like the generational dole bloggers getting past of my money..... but accept it that they will get it. And while you are complaining about 24000 refugees getting dole which is about 500m if everyone was on dole....I don't see anyone complaining about how labour in Victoria wasted 1 billion to not build a road that is needed. Or how they wasting another 5billion to build another tunnel that no one wants or needs. Or how that liberals wasted 20billion dollars to build a s**t internet network that was obsolete before it was even built.

I have worked in semi government organizations and seem first hand how hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars are just wasted.

Lastly seen plenty of Italian, Greek, vietnamese, Chinese etc etc etc ppl who have been in this country for 40/50 years and they still cannot make a proper sentence in English.


I agree with a lot of what you say mate, but things are a hell of a lot different these days. In the past migrants got two parts of sweet FA, from the government on arrival. The onus was on them to find a job and make a life for themselves.

These days there is extremely generous welfare entitlements, in a lot of cases more generous than Australian citizens including pensioners, and there are certain demographics that after 5 years around 90% are still out of work as well as being very over represented in welfare fraud and crime figures.

And I can assure you, while I am a fairly right wing person, I am no racist. I hate every bludger equally and have nothing but respect for people who work hard and make a go of whatever they choose to do. Just whatever you do don’t bite the hand that feeds you, whether someone was born here, or came on a boat or a plane is irrelevant in my book.

On the subject of government wasting billions of dollars annually, I agree wholeheartedly. There needs to be accountability, none of this we have learned from... rubbish which is lapped up by the voting public. But we have krudd and Conroy to thank for the $150b nbn, Telstra quoted $40b to build it, but Labor said they could do it for $30b. A family friend was the managing director of the Australian arm of a multinational company, long story short there was an incident where a disgruntled ex employee broke in to the work place and caused a damage bill in the millions. That guy is doing a stint in the big house, but the board tapped the director on the shoulder and said, someone’s head must roll and he was made redundant. No involvement whatsoever, but it was under his watch. That is the difference between public and private enterprise.
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Post by PaddyT » 03 Aug 2018, 9:05 am

I am going to tell you my own experiences and you can make up your own minds, my dad came here in 1958 as a refo from Hungary-escaped across the Yugoslav border in Nov 1956 in a meter of snow, hearing people getting shot dead around him as he walked. He spent a year in a recycled concentration camp (the yugoslav commo's just took an old Nazi camp and reused it) in a place called Gerovo which is now part of Slovenia. The camp was full of murderers, common crims, politicals and Hungarian refugees like him. The UN Care organisation eventually did a deal with the Yugo government to take the Hungarians off their hands and the Australian and Canadian governments took about 3000 refugees between them. Dad got of the boat in 1958 in Sydney and merged into the Hungarian diaspora that was already here, got a job within a week and never missed a days work between then and retirement. He came to Australia with NO ENGLISH and a congenital deafness but managed to get a Bsc in Biological Science and a Masters in Occ Health and Safety despite it being a bit of a miracle that he could learn English. AND heres the upshot- he got treated like s**t by so many AUSSIES that its mind boggling (cause he was a short, dark skinned wog with an accent who couldnt understand what people were saying 'cause he was deaf)I remember him telling me about a foundry he worked in where the Wogs werent allowed to sit in the lunchroom and werent allowed to join the union (not that he would of- he hated anything to do with socialism). He worked bloody hard, studied part time and contributed to the community - he built a soccer club with fields with a couple of "wog" mates, he had no help , no hand outs, no nothing other than his own hard work. The group of old family friends I grew up with had lots of Hungarians but became intertwined with lots of other ethnicities including aussies and not one of them held any loyalty to any country other than Australia. Personally i married a European girl ( I am a 6 ft2 brown haired , blue eyed "aussie") and my wife is a petite blue eyed blond with an accent- she gets treated like s**t at times too because of the accent-usually by ignorant assholes (not realising she has a BEcon) and speaks 4 languages- becuase she is different- she works her arse off and doesnt tolerate fools, she wasnt a refo but came here because of me (love is blind). If people want to have a debate about the quantity of immigration into this country go right ahead (personaly i think its too high and too fast becuase I have deep concerns about the environment and big city infrastructure) but please do not question the value of the individuals who come to this country unless they prove otherwise . There are s**t people in every society just as there are good.
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