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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 12:48 pm

Christ on a bike, is there anyone left who hasn't had a sly grope in someone else's undies?

John Jarratt charged over historical sexual assault allegations
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 3:34 pm

Wolf Creek star John Jarratt charged over 1970s rape allegation
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Post by bigfellascott » 25 Aug 2018, 3:53 pm

We are men, we are all guilty of it. :D
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 4:47 pm

bigfellascott wrote:We are men, we are all guilty of it. :D


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I can only speak for myself Scott, but I was raised to believe that "maybe not" means keep it in your pants, no mean "fvck off with that thing".

Anyone who forces anyone needs a barbed wire enema in my book.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 5:19 pm

Sorry Scott, I think I missed your point.

I'm going to choose to believe that you meant that whether we do it or not we all get the blame, that my friend, is unfortunately true.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 25 Aug 2018, 6:29 pm

I've only got one question,
Why is it these women leave it for so long to push the point if they were so shattered by it ?
If it was reported back then why wasn't it looked into further ? :shock: I know forensics has changed since then
If it proves to be true without doubt then he has to face the music but after 40yrs it will be pretty hard to prove what' actually took place
at the time it could end up she said he said :?
Although after the facts come out and only then should a comment of whether he owns this crime or not be made :thumbsup: :silent:
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Post by Stoney » 25 Aug 2018, 6:31 pm

The Socialist take down of Western Society. What happened to the woman that accused Craig Mclachan of sexual assault when he was fully prepared to take it to court? Heard anything? Of course not.
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Post by bigfellascott » 25 Aug 2018, 7:04 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:Sorry Scott, I think I missed your point.

I'm going to choose to believe that you meant that whether we do it or not we all get the blame, that my friend, is unfortunately true.
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Yeah we are always guilty, doesn't matter if we are or aren't we are always guilty. :unknown: Any woman from your past could come back and claim the same thing, what's the chances of you being believed? 3/8 of ****** would be my guess, all men are evil sex predators remember that. :thumbsup:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 7:46 pm

All I can say Granddad, is maybe at the time, she didn't think she'd be believed. Now that so many have proved to be sleaze bags, she thought she would.

Maybe she's making it up to get publicity/ money, who knows for sure except those directly involved?

The difference between this case and McLachlan is the coppers have actually laid charges. That seems to suggest it's more than he said/she said.

Stoney, you need a reality check.
Not everything you don't like is a Socialist plot, get a grip and grow a brain.
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Post by Daddybang » 25 Aug 2018, 7:49 pm

I recently heard a high ranking qld copper come out with "impaired consent is no consent" so anyone who has picked up a drunken shag could be done for rape.!!! :crazy: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 7:54 pm

bigfellascott wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:Sorry Scott, I think I missed your point.

I'm going to choose to believe that you meant that whether we do it or not we all get the blame, that my friend, is unfortunately true.
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Yeah we are always guilty, doesn't matter if we are or aren't we are always guilty. :unknown: Any woman from your past could come back and claim the same thing, what's the chances of you being believed? 3/8 of ****** would be my guess, all men are evil sex predators remember that. :thumbsup:


I hear you mate.

It's like the white man is always to blame bullsh!t.

Mexican Americans have their Brown Pride movement led by people like Cain Velasquez, the African Americans have their Black Power movement, both accepted as people having pride in their heritage, and good on them, everyone has the right to be proud of where they came from.
But try walking down the street with a White Pride T shirt on, you'd be mobbed by vegan lesbians denouncing you as a racist Nazi.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 25 Aug 2018, 7:56 pm

Daddybang wrote:I recently heard a high ranking qld copper come out with "impaired consent is no consent" so anyone who has picked up a drunken shag could be done for rape.!!! :crazy: :drinks:


Oh sh!t that's me fvcked.
The only women I can get are either pissed or desperate :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 25 Aug 2018, 9:38 pm

Gaz mate I was not gonna post on this topic.... hopefully you are kidding. Well let's hope you are missing about white pride..... the reason is sorta clear if you look through the last couple hundred years
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 26 Aug 2018, 7:04 am

Ziad wrote:Gaz mate I was not gonna post on this topic.... hopefully you are kidding. Well let's hope you are missing about white pride..... the reason is sorta clear if you look through the last couple hundred years


G'day Ziad, no mate not even remotely kidding about the fact that I and others like me, should have the same right to feel pride in my heritage.

Why should I be forced to be ashamed simply because of my skin colour? Isn't that just as racist as saying all black people should be ashamed because of the chaos in Africa, or all Rwandans should feel inferior because of the genocide they carried out there, or that all Muslims are terrorists?

Yes, the Aglos have committed some atrocious crimes against other races, but I and my family, were not among them.

My white Welsh ancestors were persecuted by the white English, banned from speaking our native tongue in our own land right up into the 20th Century.My direct ancestors were forcibly brought here, admittedly for stealing a boat load of pork the dodgy buggers, but not every white person is an oppressor or descendant of oppressors.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 26 Aug 2018, 7:40 am

Further to that last, Ziad, I watched a documentary this week called "Meet the Hitlers", about the last descendants of Alois Hitler, Adolf's father, including a sad little man in Germany who is the last direct descendant in Europe.

This inoffensive little guy has no family, no friends, not even acquaintances, lives and works alone on a barge on the Rhine, ostracized purely because of a "man" who died before he was even born.

It also covered the treatment of others who bear the name but have no familial connection whatsoever.

Surely you don't believe that these people should hang their heads in shame because of the actions of others over whom they had no control.

Should we hold current day Japanese responsible for the war crimes of their ancestors? Should we shun all Muslims because of Osama bin Laden or the Taliban?

Racism is racism mate, no matter in which direction it is practiced.

I may have a shaved head, big Chopper mustache, arms full of ink and a few peircings, but that and my skin colour don't automatically make me a racist.

I judge people by their personal behaviour, not the skin they were born in.
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Post by Daddybang » 26 Aug 2018, 7:45 am

Ziad wrote:Gaz mate I was not gonna post on this topic.... hopefully you are kidding. Well let's hope you are missing about white pride..... the reason is sorta clear if you look through the last couple hundred years


So we should be ashamed of being white???
All races have committed disgusting atrocities over the history of mankind have a look at massacares and enslavement of indigenous races thru out Asia and Africa by others Asians and Africans.
No race has clean hands and to say everyone else can be proud of where they come from but not white fellas is just bulls**t!
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Post by Wombat » 26 Aug 2018, 4:39 pm

I know of one deified Australian sportsman who beat his then girlfriend within an inch of her life for something she said. Source is one of the nurses who treated her when she was hospitalized (Nurse is a Friend of the family) who has no agenda.
I've been waiting for this story to come out since I first heard about it, but I doubt it ever will - he died a few years ago.
Success and fame in one field do not equate to automatically being a good role model.
I did meet the person in question more than once, and also met Chopper on a couple of occasions. Chopper was very personable and amusing, If you look beyond the criminality he was quite a nice guy..............
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Aug 2018, 6:23 pm

Hmm....

The question here is not that you should not be proud of your Welsh ancestors.... or if you had German be ashamed of being German, nor of having African or aboriginal heritage. Infact it is definitely too be proud off. But The question is more about you being proud of your skin color. Which is something that a lot of people over the years have used as a basis to say non white people are lesser than white people and more closer to being animals. So sure, be proud of your traditions but not if those traditions dehumanize others.

Same if i put a swastika, and started saying hail Hitler... many people would call me racist and tbh rightly so. It is nothing to be proud of due to the symbolism to the atrocities done towards Jews. The reality is that the symbol of swastika actually meant peace... but due to its recent history it has very negative links and generally not thought to be a good symbol to use.

Hopefully that makes sense. Please be proud of being an aussie, a Welsh even a German. I know I am proud of the country I was born in and australia.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 26 Aug 2018, 6:29 pm

Going back to black pride or brown pride..... the reason I suppose its there is cuz those people were discriminated against and treated like animals by some "white" american people... so I suppose I think they come up with those names to show their xxxxxxx again the white power movement of the past
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 26 Aug 2018, 9:08 pm

I know this whole subject is a potential minefield, I get what you're saying Ziad, and to a a certain extent I agree. I believe that it's perfectly normal for black or brown skinned people to express pride at being black or brown skinned because that is an integral part of their identity. But so is my white skin an integral part of mine.

If I was to express the spurious claim that my white skin conferred some manner of superiority, then I would be at fault.

You not only speak of symbols and of skin colour being a symbol, but suggest that my white skin is as much a symbol of persecution as a Swastika, that statement, old mate is racism in it's most pure form.
You also totally omit the positive things that Europeans have achieved not just alongside the negative but since.

I was hoping not to have to go here because it will only feed into the stereotype you are perpetuating, that being that not only have the white races been the only ones to ever cause the persecution of others but that if we should have the temerity to feel the same pride as non-white people we are somehow perpetuating the persecution, but you opened this door, so be it.

As Daddybang mentioned there have been millennia of atrocities committed by other than whitey, atrocities that are still going on as we debate this subject today. Mass murder, genocide, and slavery across Africa and Asia, an epidemic of rape in India of such proportions it's almost the national sport, with 40% of the victims gang raped and murdered being children, a seemingly endless wave of brutality and terrorism across the Middle East with national armies like the Syrians bombing and gassing their own unarmed civilian populations.

You tell us that these people have the right to be proud while they are still perpetuating savagery today and we Europeans should not, even though our own savage behaviours are largely, if not quite entirely far in our past.

Just how long are the totally innocent descendants of past generations meant to feel shame for things centuries in the past in which we had no part, while others who are causing the majority of suffering, grief and population displacement in the world today are seemingly inviolate?
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 27 Aug 2018, 5:34 am

The difference in your examples is that they don't go we are superior based on our skin color... those are more of religion or cast based discrimination or conflict.

Coming to say australia, while the white settlers did a lot of atrocities against the native population, it was done in the past, so no I don't think current "white" Australians should pay for what was done. But it was a part of the history of this country and needs to be acknowledged as such. Unless ofcourse some people still think that it was the right thing that was done.

Yes you are right it's a minefield. As we are talking about symbolism here. I think it comes to respect and empathy for everyone and every side... which many people even the so called greenies forget.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 27 Aug 2018, 10:29 am

Ziad wrote:The difference in your examples is that they don't go we are superior based on our skin color... those are more of religion or cast based discrimination or conflict.


Discrimination and persecution, Ziad, are discrimination and persecution. Those being discriminated against don't give a bugger whether it's because one is Hutu and the other is Tutsi, or whether the homicidal lunatic that blew up their family was Shia or Sunni, or whether they were black white or brindle.

How is it even remotely different?
Hutus killed Tutsi in Rawanda because they considered them inferior.

Shia kill Sunni and Sunni kill Shia and Sufis kill Wahabis and Salafis kill Huthis etc etc etc because they follow a slightly different dogma and are considered inferior.

I see you have skipped over your own racist statement that having white skin is akin to wearing a Swastika around, but that's OK.
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This is the sort of subject that although it needs to be openly and comprehensively discussed, can rapidly descend into acrimony so lets just leave it at this, people who continue to drag up the actions of past generations to flog present day people who had no control over those actions are the ones who are perpetuating the problem.

So called reverse discrimination is still discrimination, and those who feel they are being punished for something over which they have no control are going to react negatively and people like Hanson and Cottrell will be seen as having a valid point. That is something we do NOT need.

For all I know, you may have experienced colour based discrimination and have a very personal reason to feel as you do, I hope not but it's unfortunately not uncommon, as your Swastika comment shows.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 27 Aug 2018, 12:54 pm

Hey sorry. No where was my intention that swastika is related to being white. If you got the meaning and we're offended. I apologize. It was meant to be a separate example.

As I said in my last post whatever was done in the past was not done by you so there is no need to be ashamed or held liable.

But unfortunately for you the term white power is still used by many ultra right and neo-Nazi groups in a way similar to what used to happen 50/100 years ago or their attempt at getting back to those things.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 27 Aug 2018, 2:02 pm

No apology needed Ziad, perhaps my response was badly worded and I'm sure you weren't deliberately trying to be offensive, but surely you can see from that minor instance how a casual reference to things like that can sow misunderstandings and division. It's also, admittedly, hard for some to differentiate the two when so many white people have done so much harm under that banner.

Peel the skin off anyone and we're all the same red and stringy mess underneath.

I may be branded as a happy-clappy, but I just cannot see why we can't just judge the value of people purely by their actions and behaviours.

The moment we introduce tribalism with things like black or white or left or right, logic goes out the window and rational debate becomes bogged down in mud slinging.

Either everyone should be allowed to love the skin they're in or nobody should.

I can't recall how we got here from a report of an actor taking a rummage in someone's privates 40yrs ago, but it was interesting anyway.
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