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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 8:13 am

Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 9:08 am

Now there’s a bulls**t statement of opinion.
Most club guys I know would have killed these dick heads for what they did.
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Daddybang » 15 Jan 2019, 9:24 am

TassieTiger wrote:Now there’s a bulls**t statement of opinion.
Most club guys I know would have killed these dick heads for what they did.


Well big rich did make it clear it's his opinion just because you don't agree doesn't necessarily make it bullsh@t.
As someone who has a couple of relatives involved with outlaw/1% clubs I agree no members should have a firearms license and mostly they can't get one as being a patched member or even associated will mean ya fail the fit and proper person test. And I'll make it clear that I'm not saying all bikies are bad but the outlaw clubs have some very bad people involved. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 15 Jan 2019, 10:10 am

The difference could be a bike club or an outlaw bike gang
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 10:30 am

TassieTiger wrote:Now there’s a bulls**t statement of opinion.
Most club guys I know would have killed these dick heads for what they did.


mate , when i was a younger man i had friends who were in with the finks and hells angels locally and not one of the low life drug dealing bully's i met should have access to a firearm. some of them were so off their heads on speed they were phycotic . i've seen their standover tactics on people and it's disgusting to say the least . some of the other more social clubs such as the 'nam vets and ulysses have no criminal intent and i have no problem with one of these guys having a licsence after the proper checks. as DB said their are some very bad people in these groups . to tell me that there aren't is a fairytale tas .some of what i saw and heard i wont repeat or post online . that's my opinion from real life experience mate . as your last line in your post says " most guys i know would have killed these dick heads for what they did ". well the last thing they need is guns then. not that they have any trouble getting stolen illegal guns anyway. chances are, if your house is robbed for ya firearms , there gunna end up in the hands of drug dealers or bikers . traded for ice most likely . i f you know some "nice" bikers down your way well and good mate. this is my personal opinion from my experience and i'm entitled to it

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 11:07 am

Not having a crack at anyone’s rights to have an opinion-I’m just stating mine as well. I just don’t think you can “tar” entire groups of ppl, across diverse ranges, with one brush and in doing so erodes our very own basic democratic rights.
I agree, there are some absolute mental ppl in 1% clubs - whom shouldn’t have a firearms licence, or for that matter be allowed to breathe (That’s why they are in there) - but you know what...I don’t know of a membership club / affiliation arrangement, that doesn’t have their own share of inappropriates within - cops are some of the worst criminals on the planet and I don’t trust 90% of them, as are politicians and don’t get me started on some lawyers...but we can’t say they are all bad eggs.
I am somewhat speaking from experience RE bikies - won’t go into it on here, and I’m 100% out of anything to do with any bike clubs now - but in my experience, the majority or actual 1% bike membership were decent ppl - yep, some crap goes on in the back ground of some clubs, always has and always will - typical of the required criteria to join...not unlike police, fire, etc etc etc.
The middle eastern gangs “presenting” as bike clubs, are way more dangerous to the community in my opinion - but I bet even some of them are half decent as well.
I know a few members at golf courses and members of bowls clubs who are the biggest drug dealers in their areas, but they front as “respectable” ppl.
I know other club members who are fantastic ppl when sober - but 2 drinks in and they are 100% out of control, additional problem being they drink everyday...and own firearms.
If I was broken down on the side of the rd, in middle of nowhere - I’d honestly prefer for a patch member to pull over, than a power tripping police officer...any day of the week.

Ps - And when I said members would “kill” these two clowns for doing this - wasnt literal, although I’m sure they would be in pain...which would be due justice in my book.
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Stix » 15 Jan 2019, 11:25 am

:shock: Gees...really...
Some people deserve respect by the media, but these clowns need to be locked away for good...!!...& i mean these "supporters" too...what a bunch of good for absolutely nothing's...

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 11:34 am

Stix wrote::shock: Gees...really...
Some people deserve respect by the media, but these clowns need to be locked away for good...!!...& i mean these "supporters" too...what a bunch of good for absolutely nothing's...

Someone said mine shaft...wouldnt want to disturb the bats with that rank...
Maybe a coastal cliff off the Nullabor...


nah , ya can't drop them and their supporters down a mine shaft stix . or off a cliff . ya would be fined for dumping toxic waste :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Stix » 15 Jan 2019, 12:04 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Not having a crack at anyone’s rights to have an opinion-I’m just stating mine as well. I just don’t think you can “tar” entire groups of ppl, across diverse ranges, with one brush and in doing so erodes our very own basic democratic rights.
I agree, there are some absolute mental ppl in 1% clubs - whom shouldn’t have a firearms licence, or for that matter be allowed to breathe (That’s why they are in there) - but you know what...I don’t know of a membership club / affiliation arrangement, that doesn’t have their own share of inappropriates within - cops are some of the worst criminals on the planet and I don’t trust 90% of them, as are politicians and don’t get me started on some lawyers...but we can’t say they are all bad eggs.
I am somewhat speaking from experience RE bikies - won’t go into it on here, and I’m 100% out of anything to do with any bike clubs now - but in my experience, the majority or actual 1% bike membership were decent ppl - yep, some crap goes on in the back ground of some clubs, always has and always will - typical of the required criteria to join...not unlike police, fire, etc etc etc.
The middle eastern gangs “presenting” as bike clubs, are way more dangerous to the community in my opinion - but I bet even some of them are half decent as well.
I know a few members at golf courses and members of bowls clubs who are the biggest drug dealers in their areas, but they front as “respectable” ppl.
I know other club members who are fantastic ppl when sober - but 2 drinks in and they are 100% out of control, additional problem being they drink everyday...and own firearms.
If I was broken down on the side of the rd, in middle of nowhere - I’d honestly prefer for a patch member to pull over, than a power tripping police officer...any day of the week.

Ps - And when I said members would “kill” these two clowns for doing this - wasnt literal, although I’m sure they would be in pain...which would be due justice in my book.


Tassie, with all due respect, Rich did say "SOME" when referring to members...so he is not "tarring all with one brush"...in fact he doesnt have to...they dip themselves in the same tub mate--they do it themselves. :thumbsup:

Whilst i get your point there are bad eggs everywhere as we all know, it sounds to me like you defend, or atleast justify their wrong's by saying 'it happens everywhere anyway'...& if thats the case i think its the wrong attitude.

Where you mention some crap goes on in the backround as required to gain colours...mate seriously, does it not ring any bells that any organisation that requires you to not only commit crimes against nature & humanity, but also appear to enjoy it may not be worth it...?

And mate--no needs to tar them with any brush when this proves--you prove by saying it--as i said above--they do this themselves...!!

If i have to jump the bar & disfigure an innocent bartender with an iron bar & beat him to within an inch of his life to be accepted & liked by my peers, then im happy to have no friends & i dont want to fukn join...!!!
Nor do i think there is a place for people whom gain satisfaction from such behaviour as this, or thats in this thread.
Not when its all against the innocent...!!

Im not saying there arent good people within ranks...at the very least there are good sides to people within...but... ... ...

Lock em all in an industrial estate & let them flog themselves, but isnt it funny they're not game enough to do that...!!!!

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 Jan 2019, 12:12 pm

As to the general character of those with membership in these organizations.

I worked briefly with a young guy in 2005 who was a prospect with a well known group, he was told that if he wanted in, his brothers wanted to "run a train" on his fiance, as brothers should share things.

For those unfamiliar with this charming railroad themed concept, his fiance was supposed to let every member in the local chapter have a ride, one after the other.

To his credit he told them to stick it.
The beat the sh!t out of him and his girl and trashed his bike.

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 12:44 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:As to the general character of those with membership in these organizations.

I worked briefly with a young guy in 2005 who was a prospect with a well known group, he was told that if he wanted in, his brothers wanted to "run a train" on his fiance, as brothers should share things.

For those unfamiliar with this charming railroad themed concept, his fiance was supposed to let every member in the local chapter have a ride, one after the other.

To his credit he told them to stick it.
The beat the sh!t out of him and his girl and trashed his bike.

Stirling individuals indeed.


stories like that are very common with outlaw clubs around brisbane/ gold cost reigion for a loooong time. i woke up to what they were about a long time ago , and i wont associate with anybody who has links to these outlaw groups. still they are tame compared to some mexican and south american groups trying to get a foothold in this country . these groups have no regard for the law whatsoever and make outlaw bike gangs look mild . very scary :shock: these guys would car bomb a judges or cops family just as a threat. :wtf: :thumbsdown:

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 12:53 pm

bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion


Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.

I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.

If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by tom604 » 15 Jan 2019, 12:58 pm

and they say inbred hillbillys are a thing of the past :thumbsdown:
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 Jan 2019, 1:05 pm

bigrich wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:As to the general character of those with membership in these organizations.

I worked briefly with a young guy in 2005 who was a prospect with a well known group, he was told that if he wanted in, his brothers wanted to "run a train" on his fiance, as brothers should share things.

For those unfamiliar with this charming railroad themed concept, his fiance was supposed to let every member in the local chapter have a ride, one after the other.

To his credit he told them to stick it.
The beat the sh!t out of him and his girl and trashed his bike.

Stirling individuals indeed.


stories like that are very common with outlaw clubs around brisbane/ gold cost reigion for a loooong time. i woke up to what they were about a long time ago , and i wont associate with anybody who has links to these outlaw groups. still they are tame compared to some mexican and south american groups trying to get a foothold in this country . these groups have no regard for the law whatsoever and make outlaw bike gangs look mild . very scary :shock: these guys would car bomb a judges or cops family just as a threat. :wtf: :thumbsdown:

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Yeah BigRich dead right, I recently saw a docco about Satudarah, the Dutch outlaw mob trying to get a foothold here.
We've obviously got enough home grown pond life wandering around using up good air, we don't need these ring-ins.

Part of the problem is too many people fall for the idea that these are just ordinary blokes who like bikes.

They patently are not. They are organized criminal groups of the worst sort.

They're like horses dicks, they're big when they're out. Particularly in numbers, can't ever recall seeing one wearing colours when solo though, pretty much says it all, eh?
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 1:10 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion


Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.

I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?

If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?


from the behaviour of the groups i mentioned i don't have any respect for them or their club, sorry. i've seen and heard lot of first hand stuff tas . that's what influenced my attitude . to draw a comparrison to preists and cops ? some bike club members have done far,far worse . maybe no one you know, but i have met some deranged people that were just evil sociopaths with no morals or remorse . i've never met a priest that stabbed someone in the face then threw them off a second story balcony onto a concrete driveway mate . for breaking into the house next door and stealing food . the theif was a junkie, but that doesn't excuse the behaviour of this club member. and i have seen so much more. lets just agree to disagree hey :unknown:
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 1:21 pm

Look it’s been 15 years since I was last around those groups. A lot has changed...a LOT. Some of the groups being mentioned above as bikies, do not own a motorcycle and wouldn’t have a clue about riding or real brotherhood - they wear the colours for the purpose of intimidation, criminality and self.

Think we do have to be careful with labelling - less we are content to accept our own labels...how many bbqs or gatherings have we all been too, where ppl look down on us as hunters, as animal torturers, as potential killers...as an entire group because they be known or heard of a wanker with a firearm?

I’m always ready to agree to disagree but these discussions need to be had .... preferably with a beer and an open mind :-)
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Stix » 15 Jan 2019, 2:43 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion


Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.

I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.

If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?


Hey Tassie...
Yep i get your point...as you say you could go on n on...
But again, i say just because a priest raped kids, & a dirty copper is involved in drug running, doesnt mean the mate of a biker who set fire to an animal or broke someones legs to get "respect", should be given a firearms licence...& i imagine thats what Rich is aluding to in the comment you disagree with.

And to clarify, im not judging "all" who ride bikes in clubs mate...but people who indulge in the behaviour as demonstrated in this thread, along with the priests etc etc should be removed from society & dumped in a place where they will not survive...monkeys do it & it works for them, so why should we live with it & pay for this kunts court & jail time...???

So in a nutshell, i respect anyone who respects life & is there for the betterment of humanity, whether they ride a harley or not...but i have no care for these types in this thread.

You must surely know & understand these groups attract these brain dead types that need to indulge in terror type violence, or atleast did as you say 15 yrs ago...i dont know, but i doubt thats changed--& going by whats seen in these articles thats a safe bet i rekon.

I wonder if these thugs having a crack at the camera guys have colours, & if so how their hierachy resond to their antics...???

My opinions are based on my experience from having known/known of people involved in past years, not one-off media beat-ups or heresay.

Your comparisons with other attrocities in other fraternaties dont change or justify reality...& if these fukwits were as "tuff" as their front appears, they wouldnt use thuggery intimidation & terror to get their way.
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 3:03 pm

Not supporting any of the wankers or affiliates who did what they did in this thread...not justifying their actions one iota. My issue is with the cast netting of groups in entirety. Like fishing with a 2klm net and good ppl being the bycatch...akin to dolphin fishing.
I attended a funeral a couple weeks ago, a very young 1% whom passed from sleep apnea...aged 28.
Although he was a member, he’d give anyone - I mean anyone - a handcwirh anything, the shirt off his back, his last dollar via interactions with a legit business...I also know that he fell out with some of his colleagues over various but his love of the club, majority of good members kept him in. I’ve never seen so many patch members, so emotional and sharing. But The media - reported something very different of the day...bloody disgusting what they reported, complete bulldust and horrible lies of the day. But - it was somewhat expected...

I’m not saying two wrongs make a right - ie police shooting innocents etc, but jaded eyes see jaded outcomes...a priest may not have ever stabbed someone, but I doubt a bike has ever raped little kids...and I guarantee attributable innocent deaths are in the Govt / Police favour 10:1...but hey, they are just doing their job right? Until their job impacts you or someone you know...like your experiences with arsehole 1%....

Again, I just wonder how can we label outcast “groups” negatively, in their entirety, when we ourselves are something of an outcast group - whom many In the community outwardly despise...??
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 Jan 2019, 4:24 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion


Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.

I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.

If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?



Tas, you are entitled to your view, just like all of us, and you are correct, it's not a good thing to demonize an entire demographic because of the actions of a couple of individuals.

But mate, be honest. We're not talking about a group of sinless choirboys brought into disrepute by a couple of rebels, we are talking about a culture, for want of a better word, that is based on violence, humiliation, degradation, crime and murder. There's a reason they are called the 1%, it's because they are the the bad eggs that give the other 99% of motorcyclists a bad rep.
Don't lose sight of the fact that the innocent little angels your getting so fired up in defense of are also the prime movers behind, and profit takers in, the ice epidemics here and abroad.


You then do what you accuse others of doing by describing most cops as nazis and most priests as kiddy rooters. Yes there are some Roger Rogersons still out there and no doubt the paedophiles haven't been completely removed from the various clergy.
But all of the above is still stuff you have every right to believe.

You then claim you respect our armed forces, but your deliberate conflation of accidental civilian casualties caused by the actions of the ADF with the culture of deliberate, criminal violence by bikie gangs is about the most disgusting slander I've yet seen on this forum, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by Stix » 15 Jan 2019, 4:32 pm

I hear ya tassie.
Condolences to you re your friend.

Im sure we're on the same page... :drinks:

We as a targeted group (sporting shooters & hunters) are often out in the public eye defending ourselves & willing to explain our mantra & demonstrate its no harm values, & in some cases its benefits to society & the environment.

If a firearms owner commits heineous offences & is convicted of such, & his supporters assulted people outside the court, the affiliations that represent us would publicly state their disassociation from the clowns.

As i said in the earlier thread, if these vicious & violent supporters of the kangaroo torturing scum in these articles who assulted cameramen without provocation , are wearing colours...
Will their hierachy come out & defend their actions &/or disassociate from them...?

If not, that to me shows that behaviour is condoned, & demonstrates a contemp for innocent individuals & the animals theyve tortured...and so being, they dont seem care for the "label" they are tarnished with. :unknown:
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Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 4:48 pm

tas i'm not tarring every biker with the same brush , as stated in one of my earlier posts i don't have a issue with nam vets, ulysses or any other social group. most of the "outlaw" groups run the drug trade as well as other illegal activities . not all members may participate , but some organaiations on the gold coast are 100% running drug and standover rackets . i know what some prospects have had to do to become a full patched member , and it wasn't helping little old ladies across the street . with some of the more extreme clubs patched members have had to do some really bad sh!t to get their patch . these people get no respect from me , and if they want to belong to these radical groups they deserve all the law can put on them. in recent years they've fled overseas and tried running things from thailand . some dumb sh!ts got caught out trying to smuggle drugs into australia and have ended up in a foreign prison for a looong time . sucked in ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .

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Post by Daddybang » 15 Jan 2019, 5:07 pm

bigrich wrote: ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .

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And this is why I agree with you BR..even if the patch is a genuinely good bloke if his club says "go buy 500 rounds for the good of the club" then hes gonna go buy tjose rounds, if the Sargent at arms says "I need ya 223 tonite" they're not gonna say "no sorry sarge ya not licensed mate"
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Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 5:20 pm

Daddybang wrote:
bigrich wrote: ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .

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And this is why I agree with you BR..even if the patch is a genuinely good bloke if his club says "go buy 500 rounds for the good of the club" then hes gonna go buy tjose rounds, if the Sargent at arms says "I need ya 223 tonite" they're not gonna say "no sorry sarge ya not licensed mate"
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: yeah that would go over like a lead balloon hey ? ;) if ya not 100% loyal to the club and do as ya told there'll be trouble . i new a fella who did years in jail when he commited no crime because he kept his mouth shut for club loyalty. the club prez ratted everyone out and was moved to a regional town under protective custody :wtf:

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Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 7:04 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
TassieTiger wrote:
bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion


Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.

I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.

If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?



Tas, you are entitled to your view, just like all of us, and you are correct, it's not a good thing to demonize an entire demographic because of the actions of a couple of individuals.

But mate, be honest. We're not talking about a group of sinless choirboys brought into disrepute by a couple of rebels, we are talking about a culture, for want of a better word, that is based on violence, humiliation, degradation, crime and murder. There's a reason they are called the 1%, it's because they are the the bad eggs that give the other 99% of motorcyclists a bad rep.
Don't lose sight of the fact that the innocent little angels your getting so fired up in defense of are also the prime movers behind, and profit takers in, the ice epidemics here and abroad.


You then do what you accuse others of doing by describing most cops as nazis and most priests as kiddy rooters. Yes there are some Roger Rogersons still out there and no doubt the paedophiles haven't been completely removed from the various clergy.
But all of the above is still stuff you have every right to believe.

You then claim you respect our armed forces, but your deliberate conflation of accidental civilian casualties caused by the actions of the ADF with the culture of deliberate, criminal violence by bikie gangs is about the most disgusting slander I've yet seen on this forum, and you should be ashamed of yourself.


PLEASE show me where i called anyone a Nazi ? PLEASE show me where i said "most" priests are kiddy rooters ?
PLEASE show me the the evidence of whom are the prime movers and profit takers of the ice epidemic - because if you do have the proof, then your a better cop than well...most cops. lol...but your entitled to your version of the truth.
My deliberate comparison between civilian deaths from politically motivated war vs local criminals is nothing for me to be ashamed of, the end results is a family torn apart, a life lost - a tragedy by ANY measure...a comparable tragedy where the outcome is exactly the same...a tragedy born by greed and you have the gall to call it disgusting slander ?
I know how I support the ADF and I know what I and my family have done. I also wrote that I was referring to the political side of the conflicts impacting the outcome...The real shame in my opinion in all of this, is the way so many sheep such as yourself, blindy follow and believe government regulated media hype around these types of issues - and do not have the mindset to question our puppet masters in regards to what might best might serve them. Heaven forbid - another minor version of port arthur or even a "false flag" event of similar nature occurred in the future, to best serve our controlling govt, and watch your fire arms disappear over night...think outside the square a little, you might just wake up.
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 7:24 pm

Stix wrote:I hear ya tassie.
Condolences to you re your friend.

Im sure we're on the same page... :drinks:

We as a targeted group (sporting shooters & hunters) are often out in the public eye defending ourselves & willing to explain our mantra & demonstrate its no harm values, & in some cases its benefits to society & the environment.

If a firearms owner commits heineous offences & is convicted of such, & his supporters assulted people outside the court, the affiliations that represent us would publicly state their disassociation from the clowns.

As i said in the earlier thread, if these vicious & violent supporters of the kangaroo torturing scum in these articles who assulted cameramen without provocation , are wearing colours...
Will their hierachy come out & defend their actions &/or disassociate from them...?

If not, that to me shows that behaviour is condoned, & demonstrates a contemp for innocent individuals & the animals theyve tortured...and so being, they dont seem care for the "label" they are tarnished with. :unknown:


:drinks: I enjoy these types of discussions mate. I'm not closed off to saying I'm wrong or having my attitude adjusted...I'm just trying to get across a few points for people to think about.

From what I know when I was around clubs, this type of disgusting behavior would not be taken lightly - these people involved would have been dealt with internally and banned from the club. No community expense - but fair and reasonable justice. I am one of those that do not believe the courts are dealing out appropriate punishments and if incidents such as this are "dealt" with to degree where the guilty are made pay appropriately for their crimes...so be it. In my dealings with the clubs, 90% of the members were about riding, about a few drinks, a few games of cards, about having fun with like minded people - no different to many clubs. and I say that in all honesty. There were at times rumours of some (stress some!) people doing the wrong thing - but is that really your business or concern if it is not directly impacting you ? Not really - just enjoy the club for what it is...a place to go after work, have a beer and talk about the weekends ride.

We might not be outside of court houses defending idiots that misbehave, but does that actually matter to the absolute ignorant ? Just like when the NRA said the only way to beat a bad person with a gun, is a good person with a gun...an insane response like that, after a tragedy, is not all that different...and then we as a group, regardless of whether we agree or not are tarnished exactly the same way.

I dont know if the people in the vids were members or relatives - or just mental cases who support cruelty to animals - but in my day, there would have already been a public release denouncing the act. And yes - I 1000% agree, those ppl carrying on outside of court should be arrested for assault at minimum and somehow charged with affiliated torture...OR serve similar "behind the scene" punishment by those that they are affiliated with.
Rightly or wrongly - that is my perception of what society is...affiliates deal out the punishment to laws written by our puppet maseters - only in those enviroments, its a much smaller society and not everyone agrees with the punishment that is often served - which is quite often, then twisted and reported as something entirely different, to better serve the introduction of ever tightening laws...
Anyways - f*** the pricks whom did this, may they get cancer of the penis!
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Post by TassieTiger » 15 Jan 2019, 7:28 pm

bigrich wrote:tas i'm not tarring every biker with the same brush , as stated in one of my earlier posts i don't have a issue with nam vets, ulysses or any other social group. most of the "outlaw" groups run the drug trade as well as other illegal activities . not all members may participate , but some organaiations on the gold coast are 100% running drug and standover rackets . i know what some prospects have had to do to become a full patched member , and it wasn't helping little old ladies across the street . with some of the more extreme clubs patched members have had to do some really bad sh!t to get their patch . these people get no respect from me , and if they want to belong to these radical groups they deserve all the law can put on them. in recent years they've fled overseas and tried running things from thailand . some dumb sh!ts got caught out trying to smuggle drugs into australia and have ended up in a foreign prison for a looong time . sucked in ! back on topic any member of a outlaw group should not hold a firearms liscence . they would be buying ammo for their mates stolen/illegal firearms sure as and would bring the rest of us into disrepute . and wouldn't the anti's love that .

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All fair comments mate - I can only talk from my perspective and it has been something different to what your reporting, But I have also seen first hand how many things can be mis reported on purpose by a hungry media and that can cause a frothing of the herds like nothing else...next thing we know, laws are amended and we all suffer... :drinks:
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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 Jan 2019, 7:56 pm

No Tas you didn't use the term Nazi, it was implied by your words.
Is there another way to interpret your statement: "cops are some of the worst criminals on the planet and I don’t trust 90% of them,"?

Are you deliberately ignoring the differences between the concept of deliberate murder for profit or to get revenge or prestige and the accidental death of a civilian during a military action?

Here's one for you; a biker who beats a stranger to a pulp for a laugh or shoots up a house and accidentally kills an unintended target isn't going to find themselves crippled by PTSD.

A young Digger who finds out that some rounds he fired at a legitimate combatant actually killed a civilian isn't going to be high-fiving his mates, he's more likely to take his own life from grief and remorse.

As to what you think of me?
Well, now that we're seeing the real Tas, :violin:
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Post by bigrich » 15 Jan 2019, 8:51 pm

i think we can all admit everyone has a point of view here, the clowns that tortured the roos are idiots and deserve jail and a slap up the side of the head yeah ? not all bikers are phyco ratbags, but there are a few who are , yeah ? okay, for the good of peace and harmony on the forum i declare the bike gang argument over and we should move on to more positive productive topics yeah ? can i get a AMEN brother shooters, gun nuts and rural lifestyle enthusiasts ? :unknown:

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Re: Kangaroos Tortured To Death

Post by Gaznazdiak » 15 Jan 2019, 10:23 pm

Excellent motion, seconded.
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