TassieTiger wrote:bigrich wrote:Yeah well, that’s about the behaviour of some people in the bike club scene. Probably would have been worse if it wasn’t so public. Anyone associated with outlaw clubs should never hold a firearms license I’m my opinion
Sorry Stix - this is the bit I disagree with.
Hypocrisy has a strange way of uncovering the truth.
I'm a supporter of the vietnam vets and a huge supporter of our armed forces. Yet, those same forces whom our puppet masters command (referring to the bulldust political wars) have been / are killing, maiming, orphaning, way more innocents than any outlaw bike group EVER did...for what end purpose were those wars fought again ? Political gain in many cases - nothing more.
Go to church much ? How many priests have raped and abused young boys and men over hundreds of years, in the name of the Father ? A lot more than any outlaw bike group ever did.
How many people have police shot and killed and injured during their "investigations" ? I'd hazard a guess, that it would be a lot more than any bike club...
How many fathers are not seeing their kids, are committing suicide this year, a living on poor street - because of the insane family court system, that is a self perpetuating legal fraternity, that care nothing about this kids themselves - within this country ? A lot more than any bike club ever did.
I could go on and on...but at first glance, it appears that many are brainwashed by media beat ups and their own one offs...or just 3rd party "stories". The pollies have a remarkable way of manipulating media stories...but you all should already be aware of that...ie the Federal report into 2500 confiscated firearms ring a bell ?
For every horror story repoeted attributed to a bike group, I could spin 2 that were positive.
Yep - some, advice already stated - should be...what %*^%# and the prospecting story given above sounds horrific if true...but if they really truly treated prospective members like this - they would fade into obscurity. I’ve seen what college frats do to their future members - some (not all) are not much different...albeit most are for at least 12 months lol.
If we are content to sit back and accept that we can sling mud at an "entire group" of people, of whom we do not know individually- then surely, we have no right to complain when that same mud is thrown our way, and we are ALL deemed to be potential murderers and killers or worse - by those that we today - believe to be ignorant ?...is it not effectively the same thing?
Tas, you are entitled to your view, just like all of us, and you are correct, it's not a good thing to demonize an entire demographic because of the actions of a couple of individuals.
But mate, be honest. We're not talking about a group of sinless choirboys brought into disrepute by a couple of rebels, we are talking about a culture, for want of a better word, that is based on violence, humiliation, degradation, crime and murder. There's a reason they are called the 1%, it's because they are the the bad eggs that give the other 99% of motorcyclists a bad rep.
Don't lose sight of the fact that the innocent little angels your getting so fired up in defense of are also the prime movers behind, and profit takers in, the ice epidemics here and abroad.
You then do what you accuse others of doing by describing most cops as nazis and most priests as kiddy rooters. Yes there are some Roger Rogersons still out there and no doubt the paedophiles haven't been completely removed from the various clergy.
But all of the above is still stuff you have every right to believe.
You then claim you respect our armed forces, but your deliberate conflation of accidental civilian casualties caused by the actions of the ADF with the culture of deliberate, criminal violence by bikie gangs is about the most disgusting slander I've yet seen on this forum, and you should be ashamed of yourself.