The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 29 Oct 2018, 12:06 pm

Ziad wrote:The second part of the aid is basically bribery, yes australia as a country spends money to bribe rulers of other countries. Wait now please don't get on your high horse and say how dare we do that. But reality is, pol are corrupt and if you close your eyes doesn't make em honest.
And call it bribe or foreign aid its is needed.


So we should pour more money into a (as you've correctly stated) corrupt system instead of saying enough and putting that money into things such as the manufacturing industry that we used to have or into the people of this country.
And yes I read the link but how many of the exporters that are profitting are actually Australian companies and how much of that $7 odd actually go in our coffers ??
I understand that under the current system we have little choice but I reckon the system needs to change. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 29 Oct 2018, 1:52 pm

You're right about the need for our system to change DB.
Think of the savings if we weren't paying retired politicians a massive pension to fund them while they make a fortune in the private sector working for vested interests. The same vested interests they screwed us over to help while in power.

Every former PM sucks up around $1 million each per year,.
We have politicians who have been in both state and federal politics collecting 2 fecking pensions.
We have a disgraced former governor general found guilty of aiding paedophiles who not only costs the taxpayer $357,000 per year for his pension, but spent over $250,000 last year alone for "office and travel expenses".

These human ticks do nothing but drain tax dollars into their already inflated bank accounts and produce nothing.
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 29 Oct 2018, 3:25 pm

Yep and if we sorted some of these types of issues first then we'd be in a financial/economic position to help more. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 29 Oct 2018, 3:44 pm

Lol.... sorry if only things were as simple.

Firstly it appears we spend 4b on foreign aid.... which is a big number but if you consider its actually 22cents for every 100 dollars we earn (GDP) so not much tbh, RSPB construction the benefits.

But then consider its actually a different bucket it doesn't matter. As I cann categorically say if that money is not spent....you don't still see any benefit.

By that I mean I have a very low opinion of politicians and beaurocrats and expect the money to be wasted. What do i mean you say.

Victoria's current premier cancelled a contract to build a road in Melbourne he paid a small amount, I mean 1billion is only chump change he says. How many schools, hospitals, police, infrastructure it could be spent on.

So infrastructure spending, we are spending 5billion to build another tunnel... that actually goes no where, the council's don't want it, the residents don't want it, business doesn't really need it....but hey he can make videos saying he built a road. I wonder if the 5billion could build a few roads.

I am not over what happens in other states, but i reckon you guys would know of some examples of colossal waste of money.

I can think of two federal wastes. The 500m given to a company with less than 10 pol for the great barrier reef.

NBN, one of the best ideas politicians every had.... first fkd by labour, than completely destroyed by abbot (only cuz he was anti anything labor idea) we get a hotchpoch of a internet that is obsolete before it was even thought off. The govt paid about 450 million to potus to buy their cable tv system and one they did tests it was chucked as it that stuffed that it would be cheaper to rebuild from scratch than repair this... and unlike private companies no one actually did due diligence.


Actually I give up... all I say is australia is a lucky country...lucky it's still standing inspite of all attempts by the politicians to destroy it. Who needs ISIS when we have politicians like ours
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 29 Oct 2018, 5:13 pm

And that's alot of examples that the whole system allows to happen :thumbsup:
In this country right now there are men and women who have served in the ADF that are not getting the support they require and are living on the streets because our system allows the absolute disgusting waste that both you and gaz have listed and I reckon we need to fix those issues before we look at putting more money into another corrupt and wasteful system.ie foreign aid/bribes :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Member-Deleted » 29 Oct 2018, 5:55 pm

Sub contract the government of Australia out to Trump looks like he's sorting out all the hanger :drinks: ons :thumbsup: :D
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 29 Oct 2018, 7:35 pm

Lol, daddy, what I means is there two different pots of honey. The bribes help australian long term interests.... and not generally set by politicians but by professionals that hopefully know what they are doing.


And yes, its sad that we have a lot of waste in the system and many parts of the system are neglected. I have worked in university and govt dept
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Post by bigrich » 29 Oct 2018, 8:38 pm

Daddybang wrote:
Ziad wrote:The second part of the aid is basically bribery, yes australia as a country spends money to bribe rulers of other countries. Wait now please don't get on your high horse and say how dare we do that. But reality is, pol are corrupt and if you close your eyes doesn't make em honest.
And call it bribe or foreign aid its is needed.


So we should pour more money into a (as you've correctly stated) corrupt system instead of saying enough and putting that money into things such as the manufacturing industry that we used to have or into the people of this country.
And yes I read the link but how many of the exporters that are profitting are actually Australian companies and how much of that $7 odd actually go in our coffers ??
I understand that under the current system we have little choice but I reckon the system needs to change. :thumbsup: :drinks:


+1 , this is what i'm talking about :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 29 Oct 2018, 8:40 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:You're right about the need for our system to change DB.
Think of the savings if we weren't paying retired politicians a massive pension to fund them while they make a fortune in the private sector working for vested interests. The same vested interests they screwed us over to help while in power.

Every former PM sucks up around $1 million each per year,.
We have politicians who have been in both state and federal politics collecting 2 fecking pensions.
We have a disgraced former governor general found guilty of aiding paedophiles who not only costs the taxpayer $357,000 per year for his pension, but spent over $250,000 last year alone for "office and travel expenses".

These human ticks do nothing but drain tax dollars into their already inflated bank accounts and produce nothing.
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and this too +1 :thumbsup:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 29 Oct 2018, 8:45 pm

i've been telling people for the last five or so years, vote for the independant or minor party of your choice (shooters and fishers ?) and send a message to the majors that people have had enough. we need change and accountability :thumbsup:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Member-Deleted » 29 Oct 2018, 10:45 pm

Amen bigrich exactly right
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Post by Gwion » 30 Oct 2018, 5:59 am

Daddybang wrote:I understand that under the current system we have little choice but I reckon the system needs to change. :thumbsup: :drinks:


Careful... that is an extreme left wing statement you just made! :lol:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 30 Oct 2018, 6:24 am

Gwion wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I understand that under the current system we have little choice but I reckon the system needs to change. :thumbsup: :drinks:


Careful... that is an extreme left wing statement you just made! :lol:


I thought the system was already left wing!!! :lol: :lol: :drinks:
In all honesty I reckon the Amish have the right idea...not talking about the religious aspects but the belief that more than 150 people and a community becomes too large to be a sustainable mutually supportive concern. And yeah I know its pretty impractical in the current world!! :lol: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 8:19 am

Gwion wrote:
Daddybang wrote:I understand that under the current system we have little choice but I reckon the system needs to change. :thumbsup: :drinks:


Careful... that is an extreme left wing statement you just made! :lol:


I actually thought it was a right wing statement ?
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 30 Oct 2018, 8:50 am

Left? Right? Up? Down?....

I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 30 Oct 2018, 9:17 am

Daddybang wrote:Left? Right? Up? Down?....

I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


And there's the problem with all the left/right bullsh!t, right there. I've been accused of being both, just depends on who's judging me at the time.
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 30 Oct 2018, 10:33 am

Daddybang wrote:
I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!



That's the problem with young ones now a days, no one knows what they are, or supposed to be, straight, gay, bi, pansexual, asexual.... the list keeps growing. :clap: :clap: :sarcasm:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gwion » 30 Oct 2018, 2:41 pm

Daddybang wrote:Left? Right? Up? Down?....

I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

Left is traditionally anti-establishment; advocating for equality through the classes and societal change to achieve a better social and economic balance for all.

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Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 3:40 pm

well, me i'm old school aussie with old school aussie values who grew up playing cricket with a tennis ball and kicking a footy in the vacant block down the road. fishing and netting with old fly screen of the back door in the local creek. i say what i mean, i mean what i say. i beleive in a fair go, helping my neihbours and being patriotic to the lucky country. my families bin out here for five generations, a great uncle in the light horse, a grandfather in new guinea during ww2. my sister's married into a scicillian family , and i've worked with and met and have freinds from every nationallity you can think of in logan. i think politicall correctness is a joke that stops people from speaking their mind (older people on here might remember a childrens fairy tale "the emperor's new clothes". that's how i see political correctness ) imigration is too high,(social security/housing strained,enough jobs ?) the justice system is a joke,( should have a revolving door on the court house cause they just don't seem to penalise crims, especially if their under 18) and politicians are wasting public funds in a disgusting fashion.( not enough room on here to list what's wrong with this subject) so what label do i get ? or am i just a individual ? bit off topic, but i stand by my original comment , america concerns me , but when are people gunna get more proactive at a grass roots level and talk to people about bringing change by voting for the minor parties that have shooters and reigional australias interests at heart. a lot of people complain, but most modern aussies and the younger generation are too apathetic to get off their @ss and act. rant over, had my say. am i still allowed to :unknown: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 30 Oct 2018, 3:45 pm

Well said bigrich. :thumbsup:

Political correctness is the stubborn belief despite all evidence to the contrary that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Sometimes you've just got to call a spade a "fvcking shovel"

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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 30 Oct 2018, 3:59 pm

Gwion wrote:
Daddybang wrote:Left? Right? Up? Down?....

I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

Left is traditionally anti-establishment; advocating for equality through the classes and societal change to achieve a better social and economic balance for all.

:thumbsup:


I'm still stickin with the Amish!! :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
At the end of the day I reckon I'm just a country boy who wants to be left the f@#k alone to enjoy my life the way i choose with my family and friends and who's willing to help someone out where I can but doesn't like intruding into the lives of others.
Thats me.. :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gwion » 30 Oct 2018, 4:08 pm

bigrich wrote:well, me i'm old school aussie with old school aussie values who grew up playing cricket with a tennis ball and kicking a footy in the vacant block down the road. fishing and netting with old fly screen of the back door in the local creek. i say what i mean, i mean what i say. i beleive in a fair go, helping my neihbours and being patriotic to the lucky country. my families bin out here for five generations, a great uncle in the light horse, a grandfather in new guinea during ww2. my sister's married into a scicillian family , and i've worked with and met and have freinds from every nationallity you can think of in logan. i think politicall correctness is a joke that stops people from speaking their mind (older people on here might remember a childrens fairy tale "the emperor's new clothes". that's how i see political correctness ) imigration is too high,(social security/housing strained,enough jobs ?) the justice system is a joke,( should have a revolving door on the court house cause they just don't seem to penalise crims, especially if their under 18) and politicians are wasting public funds in a disgusting fashion.( not enough room on here to list what's wrong with this subject) so what label do i get ? or am i just a individual ? bit off topic, but i stand by my original comment , america concerns me , but when are people gunna get more proactive at a grass roots level and talk to people about bringing change by voting for the minor parties that have shooters and reigional australias interests at heart. a lot of people complain, but most modern aussies and the younger generation are too apathetic to get off their @ss and act. rant over, had my say. am i still allowed to :unknown: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:


And this the point

Left v Right.
Right v Left.

It's all a crock.
Leaving behind the whole concept and working together is where I'm at. Cooperative politics, not adversarial.....
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 5:36 pm

+1 gwion, +1 :thumbsup:
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Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 8:14 pm

daddybang says - I'm still stickin with the Amish!! :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
At the end of the day I reckon I'm just a country boy who wants to be left the f@#k alone to enjoy my life the way i choose with my family and friends and who's willing to help someone out where I can but doesn't like intruding into the lives of others.
Thats me.. :thumbsup: :drinks:[/quote]

amen DB, i'm with you. we should start our own beer drinking and shooting amish community and tell the anti's to get stuffed their discriminating against our religious beliefs . the beards and hats are fine with me , but i dunno 'bout those buggys they drive tho . being australia we should have 253 HQ kingswood utes. just throw the kids in the back like 40 years ago..... she'll be right brother daddybang :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 31 Oct 2018, 6:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Homer » 01 Nov 2018, 6:48 am

G'Day Fella's,

Wow! 650 views, and still no rational responces, regarding why California is such a Socialist system failure.
This doesn't surprise anybody....................

D'oh!
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gwion » 01 Nov 2018, 6:50 am

USAs largest and strongest economy... hmmm real failure...
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 01 Nov 2018, 8:50 am

Homer wrote:G'Day Fella's,

Wow! 650 views, and still no rational responces, regarding why California is such a Socialist system failure.
This doesn't surprise anybody....................

D'oh!
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Huh? This post is about socialist failure in California ? I thought we were talking about stuff that really matters, like what’s wrong in this country and doing something to improve it by being more politically active at a grass roots level and encouraging others to get of their buts and vote for independents and minor parties of their choice to send a message that the population of Australia have had enough and want responsible, accountable government that looks after the short and long term prospects of this country instead of the circus we have and a revolving door prime ministership . It think that’s what should mater to the bulk of people on this forum
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 01 Nov 2018, 8:58 am

Gwion wrote:USAs largest and strongest economy... hmmm real failure...


Come on Gwion, don't go confusing people with facts :lol:

Just to add to the confusion with another pesky fact, the poorest, worst performing state in the US is the solidly right wing Republican Louisiana.

For those fascinated by all things totally irrelevant to Australia:

http://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked- ... economies/
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Homer » 05 Nov 2018, 7:55 am

Wow! over 800 views, and still not rational responses, to my initial question......

D'oh!
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