The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 3:40 pm

well, me i'm old school aussie with old school aussie values who grew up playing cricket with a tennis ball and kicking a footy in the vacant block down the road. fishing and netting with old fly screen of the back door in the local creek. i say what i mean, i mean what i say. i beleive in a fair go, helping my neihbours and being patriotic to the lucky country. my families bin out here for five generations, a great uncle in the light horse, a grandfather in new guinea during ww2. my sister's married into a scicillian family , and i've worked with and met and have freinds from every nationallity you can think of in logan. i think politicall correctness is a joke that stops people from speaking their mind (older people on here might remember a childrens fairy tale "the emperor's new clothes". that's how i see political correctness ) imigration is too high,(social security/housing strained,enough jobs ?) the justice system is a joke,( should have a revolving door on the court house cause they just don't seem to penalise crims, especially if their under 18) and politicians are wasting public funds in a disgusting fashion.( not enough room on here to list what's wrong with this subject) so what label do i get ? or am i just a individual ? bit off topic, but i stand by my original comment , america concerns me , but when are people gunna get more proactive at a grass roots level and talk to people about bringing change by voting for the minor parties that have shooters and reigional australias interests at heart. a lot of people complain, but most modern aussies and the younger generation are too apathetic to get off their @ss and act. rant over, had my say. am i still allowed to :unknown: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 30 Oct 2018, 3:45 pm

Well said bigrich. :thumbsup:

Political correctness is the stubborn belief despite all evidence to the contrary that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Sometimes you've just got to call a spade a "fvcking shovel"

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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 30 Oct 2018, 3:59 pm

Gwion wrote:
Daddybang wrote:Left? Right? Up? Down?....

I'm just F@#kin confused!!!!!
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum

Left is traditionally anti-establishment; advocating for equality through the classes and societal change to achieve a better social and economic balance for all.

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I'm still stickin with the Amish!! :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
At the end of the day I reckon I'm just a country boy who wants to be left the f@#k alone to enjoy my life the way i choose with my family and friends and who's willing to help someone out where I can but doesn't like intruding into the lives of others.
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gwion » 30 Oct 2018, 4:08 pm

bigrich wrote:well, me i'm old school aussie with old school aussie values who grew up playing cricket with a tennis ball and kicking a footy in the vacant block down the road. fishing and netting with old fly screen of the back door in the local creek. i say what i mean, i mean what i say. i beleive in a fair go, helping my neihbours and being patriotic to the lucky country. my families bin out here for five generations, a great uncle in the light horse, a grandfather in new guinea during ww2. my sister's married into a scicillian family , and i've worked with and met and have freinds from every nationallity you can think of in logan. i think politicall correctness is a joke that stops people from speaking their mind (older people on here might remember a childrens fairy tale "the emperor's new clothes". that's how i see political correctness ) imigration is too high,(social security/housing strained,enough jobs ?) the justice system is a joke,( should have a revolving door on the court house cause they just don't seem to penalise crims, especially if their under 18) and politicians are wasting public funds in a disgusting fashion.( not enough room on here to list what's wrong with this subject) so what label do i get ? or am i just a individual ? bit off topic, but i stand by my original comment , america concerns me , but when are people gunna get more proactive at a grass roots level and talk to people about bringing change by voting for the minor parties that have shooters and reigional australias interests at heart. a lot of people complain, but most modern aussies and the younger generation are too apathetic to get off their @ss and act. rant over, had my say. am i still allowed to :unknown: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup:


And this the point

Left v Right.
Right v Left.

It's all a crock.
Leaving behind the whole concept and working together is where I'm at. Cooperative politics, not adversarial.....
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 5:36 pm

+1 gwion, +1 :thumbsup:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by bigrich » 30 Oct 2018, 8:14 pm

daddybang says - I'm still stickin with the Amish!! :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
At the end of the day I reckon I'm just a country boy who wants to be left the f@#k alone to enjoy my life the way i choose with my family and friends and who's willing to help someone out where I can but doesn't like intruding into the lives of others.
Thats me.. :thumbsup: :drinks:[/quote]

amen DB, i'm with you. we should start our own beer drinking and shooting amish community and tell the anti's to get stuffed their discriminating against our religious beliefs . the beards and hats are fine with me , but i dunno 'bout those buggys they drive tho . being australia we should have 253 HQ kingswood utes. just throw the kids in the back like 40 years ago..... she'll be right brother daddybang :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks: :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Daddybang » 31 Oct 2018, 6:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Homer » 01 Nov 2018, 6:48 am

G'Day Fella's,

Wow! 650 views, and still no rational responces, regarding why California is such a Socialist system failure.
This doesn't surprise anybody....................

D'oh!
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gwion » 01 Nov 2018, 6:50 am

USAs largest and strongest economy... hmmm real failure...
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Post by bigrich » 01 Nov 2018, 8:50 am

Homer wrote:G'Day Fella's,

Wow! 650 views, and still no rational responces, regarding why California is such a Socialist system failure.
This doesn't surprise anybody....................

D'oh!
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Huh? This post is about socialist failure in California ? I thought we were talking about stuff that really matters, like what’s wrong in this country and doing something to improve it by being more politically active at a grass roots level and encouraging others to get of their buts and vote for independents and minor parties of their choice to send a message that the population of Australia have had enough and want responsible, accountable government that looks after the short and long term prospects of this country instead of the circus we have and a revolving door prime ministership . It think that’s what should mater to the bulk of people on this forum
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 01 Nov 2018, 8:58 am

Gwion wrote:USAs largest and strongest economy... hmmm real failure...


Come on Gwion, don't go confusing people with facts :lol:

Just to add to the confusion with another pesky fact, the poorest, worst performing state in the US is the solidly right wing Republican Louisiana.

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http://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked- ... economies/
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Homer » 05 Nov 2018, 7:55 am

Wow! over 800 views, and still not rational responses, to my initial question......

D'oh!
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Post by wanneroo » 05 Nov 2018, 8:20 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:
Just to add to the confusion with another pesky fact, the poorest, worst performing state in the US is the solidly right wing Republican Louisiana.


I think you'll find Louisiana will always have issues because most of the state is just a big swamp. Not much you can do with that.
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 8:53 am

G'day Wannaroo,
It wasn't a slight against Louisiana, just pointing out that the so called "failed socialist experiment" of California is just more baseless nonsense from the same source as usual.

According to stats California has the 5th largest economy on the planet, bigger than the entire United Kingdom.
We could do with that sort of failure here.
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Post by bigrich » 05 Nov 2018, 9:16 am

Just because California has a large economy doesn’t mean everything is great for the average man. Just the personal fortunes of some of the celebrities and the money in the film industry would be astonishing. A few people I know that have been to the US have told me that for one of the most wealthy countries on earth, they’ve never seen so many poor people and people who live on the street . Big gap between rich and poor, and the middle class is rapidly shrinking here too
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 10:02 am

All good points bigrich, but it's hardly a failed experiment, the median family income in California is $77,359, which is $6,297 higher than the rest of the country.

Australian median income is $82,436, so we are far better here.

https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/california/
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Daddybang » 05 Nov 2018, 10:11 am

wrenchman wrote:california has to many problims to even talk about in a forum its why 60% of its population want to leave.
houseing costs are unreal they are priceing most out.
the state is broke gas cost more then any were in the country they over burden there water services and have rolling black outs in the summer.
if you guys come here every place would wecome you with open arms but i could think there are other places to go and visit were you would not have your kids see junkys shooting up or craping on the street


It doesn't sound much good goin by Wrenchmans statement?? :unknown:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Stix » 05 Nov 2018, 10:30 am

wanneroo wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
Just to add to the confusion with another pesky fact, the poorest, worst performing state in the US is the solidly right wing Republican Louisiana.


I think you'll find Louisiana will always have issues because most of the state is just a big swamp. Not much you can do with that.


Well if its swamp land, there is always the manufacture & export of exceptionally pooly made 'D' grade reality TV programs about swamp family's and their Gator catching escapades... :clap:

Aint nothin more rivetting than watchin uncle Susie come help his cousin, who is also his brother and auntie :crazy: :lol: , fill the bag quota before the season closes....and of course there is also the exceptional shooting skills on display amongst all that splashing that we shooters can learn from... :thumbsup:

Edit---Hey wanneroo...i hope you dont take offence mate--none intended...just trying to have a laugh... :lol:

And at least you can laugh about those shows...more than i can say about our favourites--neighbours & away from home... :shock:
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 10:44 am

I'm not saying all is roses DB, just that if the state with the best wages in the country is a failed socialist experiment, what does that make all the republican states that are doing so much worse?

Regardless, I am very glad I live here.
Some complain about our socialized medical system, but I've been in hospital here and in the US and I have no doubt who has the better system.

It may have miraculously changed, it's been over 20yrs since I was last there, but I had to make an ER visit and because I had the cash to pay up front I was dealt with ahead of a large number of others waiting.
When I asked why my fairly minor issue got immediate attention when the waiting room was full I was told, "they haven't got insurance and can't pay".
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 10:53 am

One thing though DB, the Australian average wage in now $82,436, so I was wrong about needing to be like their economy.

I fvcking hate that. :oops:
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Post by bigrich » 05 Nov 2018, 10:55 am

Gaznazdiak wrote:All good points bigrich, but it's hardly a failed experiment, the median family income in California is $77,359, which is $6,297 higher than the rest of the country.

Australian median income is $82,436, so we are far better here.

https://www.deptofnumbers.com/income/california/


I earn about $30,000 under that gaz, and I’m a tradie. I’d probably do better on fly in , fly out work. But I can’t. The point I’m getting to is the mega wealthy in California push up the median income, same as it is here. Is the exchange rate factored in with those figures gaz? We are a lot better of here that’s for sure. Social security, public housing, free healthcare. Dunno for how much longer. Had a African fella I used to know tell me I’m crazy for going to work. Stay home, the government pays for everything. True story, sigh!
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Post by Daddybang » 05 Nov 2018, 11:18 am

No worries at all gaz :thumbsup: :drinks:
Ive met plenty of mericans thru growing up in the territory and thru running tours up here but no first hand experience so I like to ask questions. The one thing I have noticed is that(like anywhere I guess) the answers to the questions are different depending on life experiences of those I'm talkin to.
At the end of the day I'm happy to live in Oz...it's far from perfect but better than Somalia :lol: :drinks:
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Re: The Looney Left's (America) Utopia, in 2018.

Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 11:30 am

Yeah mate, I'm hearing you.
The fact that the statisticians lump salary in with wages does skew the figures.

The debate in Victoria about African immigrants and crime is a prime example of how the same set of statistical data can be used by opponents to prove a diametrically opposite story.

An ABC article this morning had a senior judge saying that because African migrants only make up 0.1% of the population there are far more crimes committed by non African offenders. True, and obvious.
Also true but seemingly ignored by the judge were the stats later in the article, that this 0.1% is recorded as responsible for 1% of all crime, or 10 times the average, and nearly 10% of all aggravated, violent robberies, 100 times the average.

The only experience I have of the issue is through media beatups. Even the ABC can be dodgy with their interpretations of issues, but numbers are not political they're just facts.
It does seem to be over-representation.



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Post by bigrich » 05 Nov 2018, 12:20 pm

Dunno bout Africans getting reported on gaz, there’s a lot going on between the aboriginal community and the sudo’s In logan at the moment. Stabbings , a murder and car jackings. NONE of it has been reported on gaz. The reason I quoted my old Ugandan mate Jino, was because he thought it was normal to be on the system. His relo’s showed him how to use it. Suppose i’m Bad for not mentioning the European aussies who for generations have been “bludgers “ difference is , they know it. The sooner social stupidity (security), gets onto drug testing and work for the dole programs the better
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 05 Nov 2018, 12:24 pm

Daddybang wrote:No worries at all gaz :thumbsup: :drinks:
Ive met plenty of mericans thru growing up in the territory and thru running tours up here but no first hand experience so I like to ask questions. The one thing I have noticed is that(like anywhere I guess) the answers to the questions are different depending on life experiences of those I'm talkin to.
At the end of the day I'm happy to live in Oz...it's far from perfect but better than Somalia :lol: :drinks:


Yeah DB, best place in the world.
We like to have a gripe about it now and then, but that's just the Pommy origins showing :lol:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 05 Nov 2018, 1:26 pm

I am assuming, but if America is the espanola of a capitalist society than surely australia would be classed as a....socialist society. And personally I like australia.. some things annoy the fk outta me. Like the other governance. But still its good here.

But if you all ate going to America than make sure you get that Arnie fella aka the governator of California and his tank to the barbie and I'll sure to pop around as well.... werther you like it or not
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Post by bigrich » 05 Nov 2018, 3:30 pm

Ziad wrote:I am assuming, but if America is the espanola of a capitalist society than surely australia would be classed as a....socialist society. And personally I like australia.. some things annoy the fk outta me. Like the other governance. But still its good here.

But if you all ate going to America than make sure you get that Arnie fella aka the governator of California and his tank to the barbie and I'll sure to pop around as well.... werther you like it or not


yeh we are the lucky country in a lot of ways ziad. but i won't do any overtime at work, on principle i don't like getting taxed at 48 cents in the dollar . lot of incentive to work hard hey ? the tax threshold has hardly moved in years, so it's all well and good to get a higher hourly pay rate, but the government claws it back in tax . they say vigilance is the price of freedom, i reckon it's a ongoing thing to maintain our way of life and values. the way i see it , it's our social responsability and duty to get onto the halfwits running the country to make them accountable whichever way your views are.

i wish i had a tank so i could crush things :lol: :lol: the background on that is it's THE actual tank arnold drove when he did national service in austria. he tracked it down and shipped it to america. hence the line "only in america" :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 05 Nov 2018, 3:37 pm

Why don't you do over time, you have been missing out on extra money all this while. While for that week, you may pay the top marginal tax rate, if your take gross pay is over about $3500 dollars for the week, but when you do you'r tax return you get a refund on any extra tax paid.



I read his auto biography a good interesting read, a true rags to riches kinda story.
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Post by bigrich » 05 Nov 2018, 5:52 pm

Ziad wrote:Why don't you do over time, you have been missing out on extra money all this while. While for that week, you may pay the top marginal tax rate, if your take gross pay is over about $3500 dollars for the week, but when you do you'r tax return you get a refund on any extra tax paid.



I read his auto biography a good interesting read, a true rags to riches kinda story.


$3500 gross for the week ? that's fairytale stuff for me mate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: i'm lucky to gross that for the month i'm employed as a permanant/casual , so i get a better pay rate up front, but no holidays or sick days. seems to be the way a lot of companies want to employ these days. i've got a good arrangment with my employer, where any overtime worked is "booked up" at the overtime pay rate, so i get paid leave but not payng the rediculously high tax rate. seriously, if i do more than four hours a week, the amount extra in my pay , works out to be about $15 a hour and i wont do it. the government can get stuffed. and people wonder why some trades are dieing out and no-one wants to be a apprentice on about a third of what i earn. i left my trade when the mining boom was on to work at a foundry making railway and dragline parts. this was 15 years ago, and i went from $16.50 a hour to $24.50 a hour working afternoon shift. big difference :D i went from being a tradesman on a low payrate to a highly paid laborer .i was there for 12 years, but the company did some dodgy stuff, and i ended up with a payout for occupational asthsma. had to get another job, so i went back to my trade. i like my job , and my employers are good to me. but no-one except the sub contractors who work installing on-site want overtime. any wonder i'm a bit bitter in my attitude to people who exploit welfare :unknown: and yeh, i know a lot about arnold. extroidinary story, old school self made man with a good work ethic. should be more of it :thumbsup:
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Post by AZZA'S HJ47 » 05 Nov 2018, 6:16 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:One thing though DB, the Australian average wage in now $82,436, so I was wrong about needing to be like their economy.

I fvcking hate that. :oops:
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Id love to know where the hell they get this number from.
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