Federal Elections

[bigrich]

SFFP are fudd morons. Vote Liberal Democrats if you want to truly advance gun rights in this country.

what are their goals and aims in regards to gun rights ? i'm quite happy with my FUDD firearms i have ATM . cap and ball pistols are the only cat H weapon that interests me right now....

You know there are a bunch of other firearm owners out there who have different tastes to you, right? Why don't you support the best gun party, even if you are happy with what you personally have? I'm certainly not happy with what I am limited to.

i fully intend supporting a gun freindly party , but what are the intentions of the liberal democrats ? why are they more suited for firearm owners ? not being argumentative, just asking questions so i have a better understanding of what they represent . i did say i'm happy with what i have ATM. that's not to say i wouldn't want something more if the choice was there

[Sarco]

This comic is very useful. There is a left-wing bias. The message and explanation is correct however.

http://www.chickennation.com/voting/

Forgetting all the bias and which party representing which party crap, it applies ONLY to the lower house.

The upper house (Senate) preferential voting works differently. This is why the preference whisperers can get candidates elected with ridiculously low first preference vote figures.

VOTE below the line!

[bigrich]

Bottom line, the majority are corrupt b@rstards, a lot of them all too keen to sell us out to foreign interests for $ and a cushy job after their out of political office. The hard part is trying to find and choose the least corrupt out of them all ......

[Daddybang]

Yep BR and if anyone needs evidence of just how correct Rich is just look at the fact that cum stain piece of filth palmer is not rotting in the Grey wall hotel and is actually allowed to reinvolve himself in politics. ...what a fkn joke!!!!

[bigrich]

Yep BR and if anyone needs evidence of just how correct Rich is just look at the fact that cum stain piece of filth palmer is not rotting in the Grey wall hotel and is actually allowed to reinvolve himself in politics. ...what a fkn joke!!!!

Didn’t ya know DB , when ya got money ya can buy ya way out of legal problems and ya don’t pay tax ! The labor party accepting “donations “ from a group of Chinese businessmen is traitorous. And yes I know, some libs are just as bad.

[Daddybang]

Yep rich it doesn't matter what "side" of politics they're on they're just poliscum that'll promise us the earth and tell us they got our interests at heart and then prison f#$k us the moment it means they can get their snouts deeper in the trough by doing so!!
Bring on the asteroid

[Gaznazdiak]

Yep rich it doesn't matter what "side" of politics they're on they're just poliscum that'll promise us the earth and tell us they got our interests at heart and then prison f#$k us the moment it means they can get their snouts deeper in the trough by doing so!!
Bring on the asteroid

Spot on DB.

The fact that we are the only OECD member that doesn't have transparency around political donations says it all.

We are not allowed, by act of parliament, to know who donated what to whom until after an election has been held.
Then if we find out that it was some communist influence peddler like Huang Xiangmo, stiff sh!t, we have to wait until the crooked cvnts have been in for a term before we get a chance to toss them.
What an absolute clusterfvck of a system.

[No1_49er]

Can you explain to me how the preferential system works, I don't have a clue about it, I just vote for the local SFFP fella.

P.S. I hate voting, to me it's just a wank fest and a waste of my bloody time and effort, nothing will change and nothing ever changes regardless.

Go here https://www.aec.gov.au/Voting/How_to_Vote/ and see how easy / confusing it can be.

Dependent on the type of election, the preference system may, or may not, be used. When it is, and you use the "above the line" vote, your preferences go to wherever the parties have bought favour. "Below the line" there are, in essence, no transferable preferences. You vote is your vote, not a transferable "deal" done in some way that you have no say.

Ask your candidate where their preferences are to be directed. You might be surprised. Or appalled.

[Ratsmitglied]

Senate. Vote below the line, especially if you're in the ACT so Zed can go where he belongs (last, don't care if you put the second liberal candidates number one, just put Zed in last place as he doesn't represent anyone except himself)

Trick is knowing how many boxes you have to number!

At least with Senate voting they've changed the worst of the preference whisperer games (you can number multiple boxes above the line, and when they get to the end of that your vote is exhausted and doesn't go any further)

[Patriot]

Yep rich it doesn't matter what "side" of politics they're on they're just poliscum that'll promise us the earth and tell us they got our interests at heart and then prison f#$k us the moment it means they can get their snouts deeper in the trough by doing so!!
Bring on the asteroid

Spot on DB.

The fact that we are the only OECD member that doesn't have transparency around political donations says it all.

We are not allowed, by act of parliament, to know who donated what to whom until after an election has been held.
Then if we find out that it was some communist influence peddler like Huang Xiangmo, stiff sh!t, we have to wait until the crooked cvnts have been in for a term before we get a chance to toss them.
What an absolute clusterfvck of a system.

I don’t think the public has a right to know, period. Why is it anyone else’s business if I donate,say, $50000 to a political party. People have right to privacy others should just mind their own business.

[Gaznazdiak]

Yep rich it doesn't matter what "side" of politics they're on they're just poliscum that'll promise us the earth and tell us they got our interests at heart and then prison f#$k us the moment it means they can get their snouts deeper in the trough by doing so!!
Bring on the asteroid

Spot on DB.

The fact that we are the only OECD member that doesn't have transparency around political donations says it all.

We are not allowed, by act of parliament, to know who donated what to whom until after an election has been held.
Then if we find out that it was some communist influence peddler like Huang Xiangmo, stiff sh!t, we have to wait until the crooked cvnts have been in for a term before we get a chance to toss them.
What an absolute clusterfvck of a system.

I don’t think the public has a right to know, period. Why is it anyone else’s business if I donate,say, $50000 to a political party. People have right to privacy others should just mind their own business.

Quite amazing you can't see the connection between donating some heavy $ to political parties and influence peddling.

People don't donate large amounts of money to politicians without expecting a quid pro quo.

Do you seriously believe that it isn't in the public interest to know if say Sam Dastyari sells himself to the Chinese Communist Party?
Really?
Look at the way the LNP bends over for the fossil fuel industry, look at the amount of money from communist Chinese going to the Labor Party, do you really think these donors do it to get a "warm and fuzzy"?

[TassieTiger]

Yep rich it doesn't matter what "side" of politics they're on they're just poliscum that'll promise us the earth and tell us they got our interests at heart and then prison f#$k us the moment it means they can get their snouts deeper in the trough by doing so!!
Bring on the asteroid

Spot on DB.

The fact that we are the only OECD member that doesn't have transparency around political donations says it all.

We are not allowed, by act of parliament, to know who donated what to whom until after an election has been held.
Then if we find out that it was some communist influence peddler like Huang Xiangmo, stiff sh!t, we have to wait until the crooked cvnts have been in for a term before we get a chance to toss them.
What an absolute clusterfvck of a system.

I don’t think the public has a right to know, period. Why is it anyone else’s business if I donate,say, $50000 to a political party. People have right to privacy others should just mind their own business.

Oh dear....I don’t even know what to say.

Turn a blind eye to corruption and pretend it doesn’t exist?

[Gaznazdiak]

Further to the above Patriot, does the name Huang Xiangmo not ring any bells?

This communist donated huge amounts, then after being refused permanent residency, demanded his money back, surely enough proof to anyone that he was expecting value for his money.
That's reason enough, wouldn't you think?

[Patriot]

Further to the above Patriot, does the name Huang Xiangmo not ring any bells?

This communist donated huge amounts, then after being refused permanent residency, demanded his money back, surely enough proof to anyone that he was expecting value for his money.
That's reason enough, wouldn't you think?

Well mate if he was silly enough to trust a politician that’s his problem.
As I said what people do with their money is their business, not the business of the general public.

[Gaznazdiak]

Further to the above Patriot, does the name Huang Xiangmo not ring any bells?

This communist donated huge amounts, then after being refused permanent residency, demanded his money back, surely enough proof to anyone that he was expecting value for his money.
That's reason enough, wouldn't you think?

Well mate if he was silly enough to trust a politician that’s his problem.
As I said what people do with their money is their business, not the business of the general public.

So you have no problem with the Chinese Communist Party buying influence with Australia's government?

Or a foreign media mogul like Murdoch?

[Patriot]

Further to the above Patriot, does the name Huang Xiangmo not ring any bells?

This communist donated huge amounts, then after being refused permanent residency, demanded his money back, surely enough proof to anyone that he was expecting value for his money.
That's reason enough, wouldn't you think?

Well mate if he was silly enough to trust a politician that’s his problem.
As I said what people do with their money is their business, not the business of the general public.

So you have no problem with the Chinese Communist Party buying influence with Australia's government?

Or a foreign media mogul like Murdoch?

Of course I do mate.
I also have problems with union thugs buying influence also.
Political parties are not the Australian Government, they are private organisations and political parties are not elected to public office,individuals are. If people or organisations wish to give their money to other organisations or to other private citizens they should be able to do so with complete anonymity. Invasion of privacy is an attack on an individuals right to liberty.

[Gaznazdiak]

I think it's time you took a reality check Patriot.

No offence mate, you a free to believe whatever you like but, facts have an annoying habit of getting in the way of fantasies.

Are you seriously suggesting we believe that political donations do not come with an expectation of quid pro quo?

That the likes Murdoch or the CCP just give away their money out of a sense of altruism?

"Political parties are not the Australian government"?

What are you smoking? What planet are you currently living on?

Political parties are the ONLY WAY to form government in this, or any other country, and you would have us believe they have nothing to do with it?
Seriously?

If a private citizen wants to donate to a charity or to a foundation promoting land rights for gay whales, that's their own business and a private matter.

If they are donating to organized groups who have the power to make laws and decisions that effect the lives of everyday people, groups with the power to send everyday people to their death in a war, then those everyday people have an absolute right to know who is influencing those laws and decisions.

If you don't like that, perhaps China or the DPRK would be a more attractive place for you to live.

[TassieTiger]

Big pharma...USA....insane drug problems from opiates to anti depressants to kids on Ritalin....all from corruption re business giving $$$ to political parties and then demanding their money’s worth in return...
One of a squillion examples.

[Gaznazdiak]

A second "further to the above" and to put it into a context that just might resonate with you.
Hypothetically, Sam Lee starts donating big money to a new anti-gun political party.
Would you, as a shooter, not want to know who was funding a party trying to erode the few rights we have left?

[Sergeant Hartman]

I see the reasoning why political donations might be kept private... but indeed most of them lead towards corruption.

Mind you while we don't talk about it, there is a huge amount of corruption and nepotism in the tiers of government of australia, and many government departments and even private businesses. Is it good..... ofcourse not. So yes the parties should declare any donation over say $500.

Doesn't stop the union movements and industries superannuation organizations stealth funding the labor campaign...... by advertising and creating websites to further agenda against liberal party policies and even funding think tanks like GetUp

[Gaznazdiak]

Correct Ziad.
By their very nature, political parties are corruption incarnate.

If you want to advance in a political party, you absolutely must toe the party line.

If the people in your electorate want something counter to the party line, stiff sh!t. The only thing that matters to them is fleeting temporal power. Anyone who says they believe otherwise is either duplicitous or deficient.

A perfect example is the electorate of Wentworth.
Most voters in Wentworth are economically conservative but environmentally progressive.

Their "representative" acts as an environmental dinosaur, purely because that's what those who fund him want him to be.
Abbott is far from stupid, he's a Rhode's Scholar, so he knows climate change is an existential threat to every living thing on the planet.
However, he's also a cheap political whore, willing to sell future generations down the river for a chance at personal power.

The claim that we have no right to know who pulls the strings on these puppets for hire is so naive it's sickening.

[Patriot]

I think it's time you took a reality check Patriot.

No offence mate, you a free to believe whatever you like but, facts have an annoying habit of getting in the way of fantasies.

Are you seriously suggesting we believe that political donations do not come with an expectation of quid pro quo?

That the likes Murdoch or the CCP just give away their money out of a sense of altruism?

"Political parties are not the Australian government"?

What are you smoking? What planet are you currently living on?

Political parties are the ONLY WAY to form government in this, or any other country, and you would have us believe they have nothing to do with it?
Seriously?

If a private citizen wants to donate to a charity or to a foundation promoting land rights for gay whales, that's their own business and a private matter.

If they are donating to organized groups who have the power to make laws and decisions that effect the lives of everyday people, groups with the power to send everyday people to their death in a war, then those everyday people have an absolute right to know who is influencing those laws and decisions.

If you don't like that, perhaps China or the DPRK would be a more attractive place for you to live.

All good mate, hard to offend me,as offence is taken,not given.
Not saying their is no expectation of a return on investment, but at the end the day it’s up to the receiver whether they honour their oath of office to serve Her Majesty faithfully.
Nowhere does the constitution mention political parties let alone mandate them as the way to govern. Our parliament has been corrupted by the party system.
Who you decide to give your money to is matter for you, nobody else, be it a charity, a politician, a union or the bloke next door.
Mate have you watched a elected official get sworn in by the GG? No mention of a political party, also if a party expels someone, they remain a member of parliament because the individual is elected not the party.
The organised groups don’t have the power, each individual member has a vote.
As for China and Korea, not sure how those nations are relevant to what I’m saying.

[TassieTiger]

Ummm. It matters not what is in the constitution re parties, if that’s what we currently have before us...which as you agree - is a corrupt system.
Do you know ANYONE in this country - who gives money away, without expecting a return?
What if it wasn’t a cash donation to a party - what if a party was gifted prime undeveloped land ? Do you think that party is then not going to lean on any development laws/amendments, to ensure their real estate gives them the biggest return? Of course they would...And then, what if the person that gifted the land - had land in the exact same area x 10 in size...that’s equal to sudo insider trading....you don’t think ppl should know this ?

[Gaznazdiak]

G'day Patriot,
Mate I was having a cast iron bitch of a day yesterday, and I think I might have sprayed a bit of it your way, no call for that.

I still believe you are completely wrong on the secrecy issue, but there was no need for me to get hissy over it, so apologies for that.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on it if you are as it's not a life or death thing just differing views.

[bigrich]

Ummm. It matters not what is in the constitution re parties, if that’s what we currently have before us...which as you agree - is a corrupt system.
Do you know ANYONE in this country - who gives money away, without expecting a return?
What if it wasn’t a cash donation to a party - what if a party was gifted prime undeveloped land ? Do you think that party is then not going to lean on any development laws/amendments, to ensure their real estate gives them the biggest return? Of course they would...And then, what if the person that gifted the land - had land in the exact same area x 10 in size...that’s equal to sudo insider trading....you don’t think ppl should know this ?

+1 taz . your onto it mate . MORE transparency AND accountability is what's needed in this country's political system. the preferential voting system is a load of b@llsh!t IMHO . it's almost like a grey area in election rigging .

[Patriot]

G'day Patriot,
Mate I was having a cast iron bitch of a day yesterday, and I think I might have sprayed a bit of it your way, no call for that.

I still believe you are completely wrong on the secrecy issue, but there was no need for me to get hissy over it, so apologies for that.

I'm happy to agree to disagree on it if you are as it's not a life or death thing just differing views.

All good mate, no offence taken. Happy to agree to disagree.

[on_one_wheel]

Hmmm ... politics
I'll probably vote something like this. It's been so long since weve had a professional government that it actually doesn't matter whos in next.
I dont se any serious contenders this time round.
Just a whole bunch of left wing parties.... and Pauline Hanson.

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[Daddybang]

Yep that about covers it!!!!

[bigrich]

GO AUNTIE PAULINE ! if she's the only right thinking person i can elect who has the old school australian values at heart instead and a veiw to look after the average aussies interests instead of the current soft c@ck i'll say what people want to hear dimwits, then i'll vote for her . again !

[GojiraSteve]

Their "representative" acts as an environmental dinosaur, purely because that's what those who fund him want him to be.
Abbott is far from stupid, he's a Rhode's Scholar, so he knows climate change is an existential threat to every living thing on the planet.

I'm not so sure about that mate. While I agree he's smart enough to recognise that the science behind climate trends is solid, I've thought for a while that his base religiousity informed his veiw on climate change. In a "God gave us the earth, of course he wouldn't let us blow it up" kinda way. And I suspect he's far from the only politician basing their denial of climate change on this principle.