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I bet this never made the news here when it happened

Post by bigfellascott » 10 Mar 2019, 8:18 pm

I can't recall ever seeing this on any news outlets here in OZ, I'll bet if it ended up being a mass shooting it would have, but considering it was armed citizens who prevented a mass shooting it would never make the news here, we can only have the mass shootings reported here to fit the narrative that all guns are evil. :unknown:

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Post by No1_49er » 10 Mar 2019, 8:31 pm

What do you think the chances are of the felon being prohibited from owning any firearm, and that he was also the product of a deprived upbringing who was such a nice, but misunderstood, tosser?
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Mar 2019, 3:12 am

No1_49er wrote:What do you think the chances are of the felon being prohibited from owning any firearm, and that he was also the product of a deprived upbringing who was such a nice, but misunderstood, tosser?


There's a fair chance I'd say, lucky they had some armed citizens there to sort him out instead of having to wait for the cops to show up (we all know how that ends as a rule) - the usual chalk outlines and obligatory photos of the crime scene and a heap of dead bodies etc etc.
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Post by deye243 » 11 Mar 2019, 3:32 am

This is australia scott the pepole dont care about crime prevention they're all happy if the solved score is 80%+
especially cops and polys
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Post by bigfellascott » 11 Mar 2019, 4:09 am

deye243 wrote:This is australia scott the pepole dont care about crime prevention they're all happy if the solved score is 80%+
especially cops and polys


True mate, people here have become accustomed to letting someone else solve their problems instead of dealing with it themselves. :unknown: At least over there in some parts they can still deal with things themselves and not have to rely on someone else to eventually show up and deal with it for them cos they don't have the right to do so. :unknown:

I wonder if we have any Pastors here who pack a firearm to go shopping :D
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Post by deye243 » 11 Mar 2019, 4:35 am

Haha just carry a 1000000 in diamonds and ya set after all they are more precious than a human life .....
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Post by bigrich » 11 Mar 2019, 4:45 am

I think most “non - firearms “ people in this country would be shocked and appalled that civilians would take matters into their own hands. Lots of people really want to live in a safe make believe world, where all guns are bad and the authorities look after everything. A lot of yanks still believe in their old values
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Post by deye243 » 11 Mar 2019, 1:27 pm

We are on the way to being a completely socialist country
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Post by mickyj » 13 Mar 2019, 12:26 am

Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.
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Post by bigrich » 13 Mar 2019, 4:53 am

mickyj wrote:Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.


Unfortunately the framers of the constitution couldn’t foresee the social rot caused by Facebook and other mind numbing, mind controlling crap . Mobile phones and too much of the online world is changing our society not for the best
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 13 Mar 2019, 10:10 am

mickyj wrote:Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.


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Post by mickyj » 13 Mar 2019, 1:22 pm

bigrich wrote:
mickyj wrote:Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.


Unfortunately the framers of the constitution couldn’t foresee the social rot caused by Facebook and other mind numbing, mind controlling crap . Mobile phones and too much of the online world is changing our society not for the best


even more reason to be able to defend oneself
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Post by mickyj » 13 Mar 2019, 11:42 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:
mickyj wrote:Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpeUznIhgLU


I watched that cartoon. The comment I would make on that is the US bill of rights is not original. It is primarily a distillation of everything that was good about English law. The framers knew that they had to synthesize the rights that an English subject enjoyed already. A man had a right to defend himself and his property, he had a freedom of speech, a right to a trial by his peers and many other rights that found themselves in the US constitution. Albeit the Americans took it further and purified and condensed and improved those rights which contributed much to its eventual greatness, Influenced by the English enlightenment thinkers like Locke and Mill ( I’m not educated in philosophy) but you know what I mean. The second amendment though with the benefit of hindsight it’s wording is a little unclear for moderners, the meaning, and genesis is undeniable and has been tested and reproved in the Supreme Court of the USAover 200 years. Yes the essence of the American experiment is the notion of limited government - limited by the sovereignty of the people to the extent that if it is found unworthy - the people have the right and wherewithal through the 2nd amendment of replacing a bad government with a new more desirable one. It is truly the high watermark in actual human liberty as far as government is concerned.

We need to check our conditioning rather than our privilege.
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Post by wanneroo » 14 Mar 2019, 12:22 am

Defensive gun use is common in the USA and it stops crimes in progress.

I remember back in the 1980s, homicides seemed quite frequent and around that time various states started passing concealed carry legislation so people could defend themselves and eventually almost every state has some sort of provision for it. Interestingly since that time, the homicide rate has plunged by half and along with it violent crime. I remember as a kid 30 years ago, violent crimes like armed robbery and homicide seemed to happen on a frequent occurrence and I just don't hear about them anymore. Thing is so many people are armed these days that you just don't live long enough as a criminal to have a criminal career.

The only problems remaining in the USA are cities with extreme anti gun laws like Chicago. I'd bet if citizens there could more easily defend themselves that in less than 10 years crime would drop by more than half.

As I learned myself the hard way, the police do not really prevent crimes or stop them in progress, they just clean up the mess afterwards. If someone decides they want to rob you, kill you or molest you, it's down to you to stop it. A lot of lefties and big government types would say well statistically your chances of that happening to you are rare, but if it's you getting your head bashed in, statistics don't matter.
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Post by Gaznazdiak » 14 Mar 2019, 9:36 am

When I first read your above comment wannaroo, I thought WTF?

Then after some research, I thought well bugger me.

A continuing downward trend in violent crime and murders, except as you say, in places like Chicago where only the criminals are armed.
https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/cri ... -1980-2014

https://www.crimeinamerica.net/crime-ra ... ed-states/

The media, especially here, push the narrative of the lace panty antis that more guns equate to more violence, as though it is the very existence of a firearm that causes the violence. They seem to have the notion that if guns didn't exist we'd all be living in a peaceful utopia. Like Roman times perhaps :roll:

I have in the past spoken against standing your ground and fighting a home invasion etc and, as this case shows, further reading proved I was in error. My apologies Bladeracer.
Gotta love that interweb.

Unfortunately Nanny has somehow gained a seemingly unbreakable grip here, a grip that gets tighter all the time as 2freeq's case shows.

I saw a docco by Stacy Dooley on Viceland the other night about how Florida deals with sex offenders, in particular, paedophiles.
We need a bit of that sort of backbone in our pollies, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by wanneroo » 14 Mar 2019, 12:50 pm

Gaznazdiak wrote:When I first read your above comment wannaroo, I thought WTF?

Then after some research, I thought well bugger me.

A continuing downward trend in violent crime and murders, except as you say, in places like Chicago where only the criminals are armed.
https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/cri ... -1980-2014

https://www.crimeinamerica.net/crime-ra ... ed-states/

The media, especially here, push the narrative of the lace panty antis that more guns equate to more violence, as though it is the very existence of a firearm that causes the violence. They seem to have the notion that if guns didn't exist we'd all be living in a peaceful utopia. Like Roman times perhaps :roll:

I have in the past spoken against standing your ground and fighting a home invasion etc and, as this case shows, further reading proved I was in error. My apologies Bladeracer.
Gotta love that interweb.

Unfortunately Nanny has somehow gained a seemingly unbreakable grip here, a grip that gets tighter all the time as 2freeq's case shows.

I saw a docco by Stacy Dooley on Viceland the other night about how Florida deals with sex offenders, in particular, paedophiles.
We need a bit of that sort of backbone in our pollies, but I'm not holding my breath.


I make no apologies about defending my life if someone is trying to take it. The saying here in the USA is rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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Post by Patriot » 14 Mar 2019, 2:17 pm

mickyj wrote:
Gaznazdiak wrote:
mickyj wrote:Exactly the scenario the framers of the US constitution envisaged the 2nd amendment would ensure. Free people able to defend themselves, their property and innocent others from criminals and tyranny. God bless the United States of America.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpeUznIhgLU


I watched that cartoon. The comment I would make on that is the US bill of rights is not original. It is primarily a distillation of everything that was good about English law. The framers knew that they had to synthesize the rights that an English subject enjoyed already. A man had a right to defend himself and his property, he had a freedom of speech, a right to a trial by his peers and many other rights that found themselves in the US constitution. Albeit the Americans took it further and purified and condensed and improved those rights which contributed much to its eventual greatness, Influenced by the English enlightenment thinkers like Locke and Mill ( I’m not educated in philosophy) but you know what I mean. The second amendment though with the benefit of hindsight it’s wording is a little unclear for moderners, the meaning, and genesis is undeniable and has been tested and reproved in the Supreme Court of the USAover 200 years. Yes the essence of the American experiment is the notion of limited government - limited by the sovereignty of the people to the extent that if it is found unworthy - the people have the right and wherewithal through the 2nd amendment of replacing a bad government with a new more desirable one. It is truly the high watermark in actual human liberty as far as government is concerned.

We need to check our conditioning rather than our privilege.



“Yes the essence of the American experiment is the notion of limited government - limited by the sovereignty of the people to the extent that if it is found unworthy - the people have the right and wherewithal through the 2nd amendment of replacing a bad government with a new more desirable one. It is truly the high watermark in actual human liberty as far as government is concerned.

We need to check our conditioning rather than our privilege.”

Very very well said...nothing more to say
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