Darwin...here we go...

[duncan61]

A good mate of mine did 14 years in Special handling unit prison service,He has met and dealt with the worst of the worst.His opinion is there are humans that are beyond help and they can be very cunning.The problem is young uni student do gooders take them on as a project and convince everyone they are reformed and the door revolves again

[bigfellascott]

Looks like 3 of the victims were unknown to him - RIP.

[marksman]

I dont even bother looking for blame regards letting parolees out. This blame culture is the reason gun rights are always on the chopping block and we can't speak our minds. Humans are unpredictable creatures, thankfully, because it means we largely enjoy a free lifestyle. We have fairly decent systems to deal with issues .They are not perfect and as such will occasionally be fallible, again, thankfully.

The comments on subjects like this with all the group think, group responsibility, look for blame, look for scapegoats reads like a communist manifesto.

Less people were killed in this event than normal homicide figures over a 2 week period.

maybe so mickb
really that should be explained to law enforcement next time they push to get tougher gun laws because some psycho starts shooting people

it's about time they had a shake up instead of playing the blame game dont you think considering the murderer had already broken parole conditions 1 month prior and he had free run unburdened with an illegal pump action shotgun for over an hour shooting people before he tried to hand himself in
if he didn't ring the police super they would still be looking for him

[Madang185]

The real problem any shooter faces is that that Police and Media are unwilling to acknowledge the difference between legal ownership and criminal misuse. We all know that every weekend in particular many thousands of shooters partake in various competitions plus many thousands of others who individually or in groups are afield.
Because we are honest the Police are well aware of who and where we are and what we own. As such we are any easy target to be attacked.
In the meantime it appears that criminals roam at will obviously importing illegal firearms without much restriction. In one 8 day period in Victoria recently there were 8 firearm related murders. Perhaps the long arm of the law would be better concentrated on the criminal element instead of harassing legal firearm owners with administrative infringements.

[bigfellascott]

I'm sure I heard the firearm was purchased legally by one of his mates? WTF if true I guess he didn't know ol mate was going to kill someone with it.

[marksman]

what I heard was that the firearm had been stolen a long time ago but a licenced person recently bought him 2 boxes of ammo
it was also reported that he knew 2 of the guys he murdered over a drug debt and his ex girlfriend
he had been pulled over for speeding 6 hours earlier and the car he was driving was not searched, he was given a ticket and let go
I scratch my head at that one a known bad offender on parole after breaking it pulled over and not interrogated
and that he was under the influence of ice while he was doing these crimes

[Bruiser64]

It will come out at the trial. I think it is important to understand that the criminal is the person who is solely to blame for their behaviour. If a dysfunctional, anti-social criminal is hell bent on harming others, there is very little anyone can do to stop them. I strongly suspect this individual told his parole officer and the parole board what a changed person he was and how committed to a law abiding life he had become. Unsurprisingly criminals lie and don’t follow the rules. One thing is pretty clear, he isn’t likely to be released until dead or too old and frail to cause further harm. An example of this is Douglas Crabbe who drove his truck into a Ayers Rock bar in 1983. 36 years later he is still in prison. That’s not unreasonable in my view given that he killed 5 people.

[bigfellascott]

what I heard was that the firearm had been stolen a long time ago but a licenced person recently bought him 2 boxes of ammo
it was also reported that he knew 2 of the guys he murdered over a drug debt and his ex girlfriend
he had been pulled over for speeding 6 hours earlier and the car he was driving was not searched, he was given a ticket and let go
and that he was under the influence of ice while he was doing these crimes

That sounds more feasible that what I heard, it's amazing how the media can get the stories so twisted and wrong at times, doesn't say much for journalism these days.

[JSS]

I'm sure I heard the firearm was purchased legally by one of his mates? WTF if true I guess he didn't know ol mate was going to kill someone with it.

That was the ammo, apparently it was bought by his mate with a licence. The gun was stolen.
His mate can kiss his license goodbye, which is fair enough if he's buying ammo for scumbag bikies.

[marksman]

It will come out at the trial. I think it is important to understand that the criminal is the person who is solely to blame for their behaviour. If a dysfunctional, anti-social criminal is hell bent on harming others, there is very little anyone can do to stop them. I strongly suspect this individual told his parole officer and the parole board what a changed person he was and how committed to a law abiding life he had become. Unsurprisingly criminals lie and don’t follow the rules. One thing is pretty clear, he isn’t likely to be released until dead or too old and frail to cause further harm. An example of this is Douglas Crabbe who drove his truck into a Ayers Rock bar in 1983. 36 years later he is still in prison. That’s not unreasonable in my view given that he killed 5 people.

your right but we all know this
it's a real shame the anti's and police services dont get this
I have been directly told by police that they cannot see a reason for anyone to own firearms

it's good to see that guns are not seen as the enemy in this story so we do not get a wrap over the knuckles because of an idiot with an illegal gun
pointing the finger to where the problems are is way better than sticking your head in the sand and hoping all will be well
like some of our gun clubs have done in the past

[Bruiser64]

It will come out at the trial. I think it is important to understand that the criminal is the person who is solely to blame for their behaviour. If a dysfunctional, anti-social criminal is hell bent on harming others, there is very little anyone can do to stop them. I strongly suspect this individual told his parole officer and the parole board what a changed person he was and how committed to a law abiding life he had become. Unsurprisingly criminals lie and don’t follow the rules. One thing is pretty clear, he isn’t likely to be released until dead or too old and frail to cause further harm. An example of this is Douglas Crabbe who drove his truck into a Ayers Rock bar in 1983. 36 years later he is still in prison. That’s not unreasonable in my view given that he killed 5 people.

your right but we all know this
it's a real shame the anti's and police services dont get this
I have been directly told by police that they cannot see a reason for anyone to own firearms

it's good to see that guns are not seen as the enemy in this story so we do not get a wrap over the knuckles because of an idiot with an illegal gun
pointing the finger to where the problems are is way better than sticking your head in the sand and hoping all will be well
like some of our gun clubs have done in the past

Unfortunately for the police officers who can’t see why anyone needs a firearm, the Emperor of Australia didn’t die and put them in charge. So they just have to put up with the fact they live in a democracy and they get just one vote each. Just like the rest of us. Some public servants (like these police officers), really do have ideas well above their pay grade. Parliaments across Australia recognise that shooting is a valid pastime and that shooting is also an essential part of pest control.

It is good the antis haven’t ramped up. It’s a bit hard I suppose when this is an excellent example of how criminals don’t care about rules and will use any means they can to do what they want. I suspect the NT Parole Board is more likely to be in the spotlight for letting him out.

[Stix]

what I heard was that the firearm had been stolen a long time ago but a licenced person recently bought him 2 boxes of ammo
it was also reported that he knew 2 of the guys he murdered over a drug debt and his ex girlfriend
he had been pulled over for speeding 6 hours earlier and the car he was driving was not searched, he was given a ticket and let go
and that he was under the influence of ice while he was doing these crimes

That sounds more feasible that what I heard, it's amazing how the media can get the stories so twisted and wrong at times, doesn't say much for journalism these days.

Just as people do their best to jump into the 'being offended' spotlight as quick as they can due to the social rewards it pays, especially with 5 minutes of notoriety on social media, journalists are also quick to jump into the 'first to publish-biggest impact' spotlight, because that too pays rewards.

A lot of them these days are just about self notoriety & career progression, & even if they get it wrong, they just claim their "apparent" source got it wrong or go quiet until the next loud shindig upsets the general offendees...all in all not being held to account for their publishing outlandish claims or complete lack of research.

I get the feeling a lot of journalists dont give a crap about what they write or the damage they do, & the only thing i know of in regards to holding media to account is media watch on ABC, & maybe sometimes 'the feed'...but what everyday 60 minutes watcher is ever going to see those programs...

[bigfellascott]

what I heard was that the firearm had been stolen a long time ago but a licenced person recently bought him 2 boxes of ammo
it was also reported that he knew 2 of the guys he murdered over a drug debt and his ex girlfriend
he had been pulled over for speeding 6 hours earlier and the car he was driving was not searched, he was given a ticket and let go
and that he was under the influence of ice while he was doing these crimes

That sounds more feasible that what I heard, it's amazing how the media can get the stories so twisted and wrong at times, doesn't say much for journalism these days.

Just as people do their best to jump into the 'being offended' spotlight as quick as they can due to the social rewards it pays, especially with 5 minutes of notoriety on social media, journalists are also quick to jump into the 'first to publish-biggest impact' spotlight, because that too pays rewards.

A lot of them these days are just about self notoriety & career progression, & even if they get it wrong, they just claim their "apparent" source got it wrong or go quiet until the next loud shindig upsets the general offendees...all in all not being held to account for their publishing outlandish claims or complete lack of research.

I get the feeling a lot of journalists dont give a crap about what they write or the damage they do, & the only thing i know of in regards to holding media to account is media watch on ABC, & maybe sometimes 'the feed'...but what everyday 60 minutes watcher is ever going to see those programs...

Too true Stix, it's all about revenue and more revenue and the truth has very little part to play in achieving their revenue targets that I can G'tee.

[bigfellascott]

Has there been a Candle Light Vidual for these people who have been murdered by this parolee? If not why not? there is for everyone one else that dies these day so surely they will have one for them too one would think.

[Bruiser64]

Has there been a Candle Light Vidual for these people who have been murdered by this parolee? If not why not? there is for everyone one else that dies these day so surely they will have one for them too one would think.

I love a good candlelight vigil me. A wonderful opportunity for middle class people who have zero experience in dealing with (and no real interest in)working with violent offenders to delude themselves into thinking they are doing something useful. Respect.

[bigfellascott]

Has there been a Candle Light Vidual for these people who have been murdered by this parolee? If not why not? there is for everyone one else that dies these day so surely they will have one for them too one would think.

I love a good candlelight vigil me. A wonderful opportunity for middle class people who have zero experience in dealing with (and no real interest in)working with violent offenders to delude themselves into thinking they are doing something useful. Respect.

Yep that sums it up pretty well I reckon - it's the in thing to do these days I guess, well until the latest and greatest thing comes along to keep ones moral compass pointing in the right direction (well at least delude themselves into believing its the right thing anyway) clueless bunch of sheeple if ever there were some

[xDom]

Candlelight vigil?... Another American thing we’re gonna adopt. I’m tipping thanksgiving is gonna appear in Australia in the next few years.

[wrenchman]

you no you guys are making the news here alot i would worry more about 1.8 tons of meth but the news wont talk to much about that.
how much makes it by customs meth yuk

[JSS]

We're just lucky this fool was on parole so the whole focus of blame is going to the justice and prison system instead. They make for a bigger story & better target than the "evil murder bang sticks", so looks like this time we get a free pass.