mickb wrote:I notice when the subject of gunlaws come up on Aus/nz forums on the big international forums, it becomes a bit of a pising ground for americans telling us we all roll over too easily, and how if it happened to them they wouldnt stand for it. With the NZ situation, its all on again.
I agree the US is far superior in resisting gun laws They have the consitution but more importantly financial muscle and numbers to tell anti's, left wing orgs and international groups like the UN to go to hell.
But one thing the US guys dont like to mention. Their 50 states and 3000 counties have thousands of different gun restrictions that they didn't stop. Including the gun control acts of 1934 and 1938 requiring tax stamps( federal permission) to buy machine guns, silencers and short barrel rifles.etc. Not to mention they just added another 210 changes just after the sandy hook shootings. Unless I am severely mistaken, there wasn't much in the way of physical resistance to any of it .Folks in the US largely comply like the rest of us.
xDom wrote:There seems to be an opinion in the US that Australians can’t get guns full stop. It fits into their narrative that any restrictions at all will lead to total confiscation and complete tyranny.
As much as I enjoy firearms, I don’t think their system is the way to do things.
sungazer wrote:Wrenchman dont take this as an attack. However I do find it a little funny watching shows like Wardens and some others. There are so many rules and restrictions that are enforced with some pretty heavy handed attitudes and penalties. I am sure it has to be this way again because of the size of the population as if you start letting it slide it could be an ecological disaster if everyone could take as many deer as they wanted for example. We do have some similar rules like minimum calibre of a 270 for a Sambar deer but we dont have officers going around checking and extracting bullets from animals for forensic purposes.
We are starting to see some issues with Lead this is all about ranges and shotguns ATM it may progress we will have to wait and see.
Even in the US there are some places that have very strict gun laws to the point of places like New York where it is a total ban?
In general I think we are actually more free in Aus but things are changing with government owned land so again it will be not so interesting to see what happens. I certainly feel free-er here than when I lived in the US
marksman wrote:having relatives who live in America has given me a bit of an idea on what they believe in America
it was not that long ago that they could not buy 22 rimfire ammo at the local gun store, lots of trouble with getting handgun ammo as well
if you wanted ammo you got it couriered to you or waited in line at the gun store parking lot when the ammo arrived and it was sold off the back of the truck, it never made it into the store
people were grabbing whatever ammo they could even if they didn't own that caliber rifle or handgun
gun stores had reloading machines in the back pumping out ammo as fast as they could and it sold as quick
what I remember being told was that the people feared what Obuma was going to do with gun laws so the people were stocking up
they were not ever going to just hand in there guns like we did
if you honestly think the US has not already taken guns off the citizens you are kidding yourself
TassieTiger wrote:I recently watched an online auction of firearms in the US thinking - this will be cool, see what the firearms we wish we could buy - actively sell for...
Well an old 9mm Uzzi - second hand, 2 spare clips and shoulder strap sold for...
Ready?
$15,000 US...
M16? Yep $11,000 US...
To my knowledge - These are not historical or rare firearms...
Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.
Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.
Patriot wrote:Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.
If a person possesses a firearms license, does that not give them the right to own any firearm they wish in the categories they are licensed for?
Much like a driver license gives you the right drive any vehicle in the class you are licensed for.
So, if you obey the law your right to firearms under your license conditions won’t be infringed.
Americans have a long and distinguished history of standing up for liberty and freedom and defeating tyranny and oppression they will not stand idly by while their God given right to bear arms is under attack.
TassieTiger wrote:Patriot wrote:Ziad wrote:Very nice speech patriot
But you forget Australia doesn't give its citizens any rights.. gun ownership is a privilege and you have to do your part.
Secondly as said already, in us the people saying they will rise up if the government will come 4 their guns, every few months close their eyes and put their head under the sand while the government breaks down the 2nd amendment bit by bit, by taking away their rights one small law at a time. Go check the restrictions in California or NY.
If a person possesses a firearms license, does that not give them the right to own any firearm they wish in the categories they are licensed for?
Much like a driver license gives you the right drive any vehicle in the class you are licensed for.
So, if you obey the law your right to firearms under your license conditions won’t be infringed.
Americans have a long and distinguished history of standing up for liberty and freedom and defeating tyranny and oppression they will not stand idly by while their God given right to bear arms is under attack.
Not quite correct mate.
IF you have a firearms license, that then allows you to APPLY for any firearm in the category for what your licensed - does not guarantee approval and many are knocked back due to appearance laws (dont get me started), calibre, amount of firearms one already has, etc.
Patriot wrote:Ziad wrote:their God given right to bear arms is under attack.
mickb wrote:I notice when the subject of gunlaws come up on Aus/nz forums on the big international forums, it becomes a bit of a pising ground for americans telling us we all roll over too easily, and how if it happened to them they wouldnt stand for it. With the NZ situation, its all on again.
I agree the US is far superior in resisting gun laws They have the consitution but more importantly financial muscle and numbers to tell anti's, left wing orgs and international groups like the UN to go to hell.
But one thing the US guys dont like to mention. Their 50 states and 3000 counties have thousands of different gun restrictions that they didn't stop. Including the gun control acts of 1934 and 1938 requiring tax stamps( federal permission) to buy machine guns, silencers and short barrel rifles.etc. Not to mention they just added another 210 changes just after the sandy hook shootings. Unless I am severely mistaken, there wasn't much in the way of physical resistance to any of it .Folks in the US largely comply like the rest of us.
Tank wrote:wrenchman wrote:i do not think it is fair to compare us to aus / nz our citys with the gun crimes have greater populations then aus/ nz and its gang crime and i no they like to tell you that assault guns are the problem but they are less then 1% of any gun crime they just put those on the news.
i dont think it is also fair for me to say a bad thing about aus or nz shooters the us realy does have a gun culture i can go right now to a hand gun range and i will see almost as many woman as men the ladys are some of the best shooters and they train hard.
Does it matter what ‘they’ think. We’re the ones that live under those laws....
I couldn’t give a flying toss what someone 12,000 miles away ‘feels’ about ‘our’ legislations....so why is it important?
Tank wrote:What shape would you have things?
What part of current ownership laws aren’t meeting your satisfaction?
Is it state based ‘fuddery’?
How are you affected by current legislation negatively at this moment?
I’ve got a safe full....shoot whenever I like....handgun, rifle, shotgun.
I’m really interested to know what we’re ‘lacking’?
Tank wrote:What shape would you have things?
What part of current ownership laws aren’t meeting your satisfaction?
Is it state based ‘fuddery’?
How are you affected by current legislation negatively at this moment?
I’ve got a safe full....shoot whenever I like....handgun, rifle, shotgun.
I’m really interested to know what we’re ‘lacking’?