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Hundreds of firearms seized across Australia

Post by JSS » 03 Sep 2019, 7:34 am

Finally they're having a crack at the actual problem instead of picking on us LAFOs.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/hundreds-of-firearms-seized-across-australia
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Post by trekin » 04 Sep 2019, 7:20 am

Unless you were the owner of twenty + registered firearms, or a LAFO 70 years or older who was targeted for unnecessary inspections during "Operation Athena".
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Post by JSS » 04 Sep 2019, 7:50 am

So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
They must have felt so oppressed and victimised, perhaps they need a hug.
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Post by trekin » 04 Sep 2019, 8:10 am

JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.
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Post by bigrich » 04 Sep 2019, 8:58 am

trekin wrote:
JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.


A lot of us are common sensed and take a responsible view on firearms use and storage. But the coppers are doing their job making sure that larger collections aren’t a easy target for crims who want to get their hands on guns. The more guns they confiscate from crims, the more licensed firearms owners are going to become a target for theft . Some people still have the old “she’ll be right “ attitude to things. And the cops are just checking to make sure this isn’t the case with firearms storage. A inspection is a small price to pay to insure the future of firearms ownership.

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Post by bladeracer » 04 Sep 2019, 9:06 am

trekin wrote:
JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.


I wonder more about the entire cost in taxpayer dollars and wasted Police man hours enforcing ludicrous punitive laws that have nothing at all to do with community safety.
How many officers are tied up in monitoring law-abiding firearm owners that have already been thoroughly vetted?
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Post by JSS » 04 Sep 2019, 9:19 am

trekin wrote:
JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.



I'm pretty sure weapons licencing aren't the ones running around kicking in doors with warrants taking guns off criminals, tracking internet sales of "solvent traps" or confiscating suppressors & guns/parts at customs. So while other branches are covering those avenues why shouldn't they go and check on some lafos as well.
My guess is they've figured out that perhaps some of the older blokes who didn't have to worry about safe storage for many years may just need to be checked on to keep their guns safe, and people with over 20 guns (which many of us are) might be considered targets for thieves. I don't really know what their thinking is but like i said who gives a f@ck if they come and check on us? If your guns are safe it's cost you nothing, and if they're not then cop it on the chin.

The article said they also confiscated a small amount of "unsecured ammo and firearms" which says to me that they were legal guns & ammo, so some of their as you put it "unnecessary targeted inspections" were in fact necessary.

I just don't get the mindset some people have about inspections. They come, smile & show em your guns, they go........what's the issue? They didn't kick your dog or shag your wife so who cares?
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Post by bladeracer » 04 Sep 2019, 10:11 am

JSS wrote:
trekin wrote:
JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.



I'm pretty sure weapons licencing aren't the ones running around kicking in doors with warrants taking guns off criminals, tracking internet sales of "solvent traps" or confiscating suppressors & guns/parts at customs. So while other branches are covering those avenues why shouldn't they go and check on some lafos as well.
My guess is they've figured out that perhaps some of the older blokes who didn't have to worry about safe storage for many years may just need to be checked on to keep their guns safe, and people with over 20 guns (which many of us are) might be considered targets for thieves. I don't really know what their thinking is but like i said who gives a f@ck if they come and check on us? If your guns are safe it's cost you nothing, and if they're not then cop it on the chin.

The article said they also confiscated a small amount of "unsecured ammo and firearms" which says to me that they were legal guns & ammo, so some of their as you put it "unnecessary targeted inspections" were in fact necessary.

I just don't get the mindset some people have about inspections. They come, smile & show em your guns, they go........what's the issue? They didn't kick your dog or shag your wife so who cares?


Do you actually believe the GCA bulls**t that LAFO's are the primary source of firearms used in gun crime? When you accept the truth, that violent criminals have zero interest in stealing our firearms, then perhaps you'll understand why it's a tragic waste of resources that should be directed elsewhere, where it can achieve measurable results against violent crime.
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Post by TassieTiger » 04 Sep 2019, 10:33 am

Any stats on how many legally owned and registered firearms were actually stolen from safes ?
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Post by JSS » 04 Sep 2019, 11:00 am

bladeracer wrote:
JSS wrote:
trekin wrote:
JSS wrote:So what? If you're gear is stored safely then who cares if you get an inspection? Is having a couple of coppers turn up to your house for a short while really that big of an issue?
Oh the oppression and victimisation they must have felt, perhaps they need a hug.

And yet, one is left wondering just how much more of the 'actual problem' could have being fixed with the manpower and resources expended on these unnecessarly targeted inspections of LAFOs during an operation that was supposed to tackle the trafficking and use of illicit firearms.



I'm pretty sure weapons licencing aren't the ones running around kicking in doors with warrants taking guns off criminals, tracking internet sales of "solvent traps" or confiscating suppressors & guns/parts at customs. So while other branches are covering those avenues why shouldn't they go and check on some lafos as well.
My guess is they've figured out that perhaps some of the older blokes who didn't have to worry about safe storage for many years may just need to be checked on to keep their guns safe, and people with over 20 guns (which many of us are) might be considered targets for thieves. I don't really know what their thinking is but like i said who gives a f@ck if they come and check on us? If your guns are safe it's cost you nothing, and if they're not then cop it on the chin.

The article said they also confiscated a small amount of "unsecured ammo and firearms" which says to me that they were legal guns & ammo, so some of their as you put it "unnecessary targeted inspections" were in fact necessary.

I just don't get the mindset some people have about inspections. They come, smile & show em your guns, they go........what's the issue? They didn't kick your dog or shag your wife so who cares?


Do you actually believe the GCA bulls**t that LAFO's are the primary source of firearms used in gun crime? When you accept the truth, that violent criminals have zero interest in stealing our firearms, then perhaps you'll understand why it's a tragic waste of resources that should be directed elsewhere, where it can achieve measurable results against violent crime.


I'm not saying they don't waste money, and are we the primary source of illegal guns, no, but i can tell you for a fact legal guns get stolen, when i was 20 (so way back before the safe storage laws) i was at a mates house when a bloke came over trying to sell two 22's and a 12g pumpy that he somehow ended up with that were stolen from some poor bastard. We told him to f@ck off and never come back. I also had my place broken into once many years ago before the safe storage laws and i had 4 guns under the bed, if they had of checked under the bed there would be 4 more illegal guns floating around out there, so don't try to tell me that unsecured guns don't get stolen because they do.
It may not be the violent criminals stealing them, it's the dead sh!ts and junkies breaking into houses, but everything they steal ends up back at the drug dealers house being swapped for drugs, so yes they eventually do end up in the hands of the not so nice.

If your guns are not secure and the cops take them then suck sh!t you got what you deserve. And don't worry they're spending plenty of money to combat violent crime and i'm sure a large chunk of that is being wasted too.

Like Tassie said how many legal guns in safes were taken? The answer would be NONE.

We have plenty of gun restrictions/laws here that suck, but the safe storage laws aren't one of them.
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Post by bigrich » 04 Sep 2019, 12:28 pm

+1 JSS , I live in suburbia and don’t tell the neighbors I’ve got firearms, I keep things out of sight by loading my gun cases in my vehicle in my side yard so people can’t sticky beak. There are opportunistic scumbags looking for a quick buck out there, I don’t make it easy for them
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Post by elnino » 04 Sep 2019, 1:39 pm

There was a case going back probably 12-18 months ago in SA where a guy went away for a weekend and came back to an empty safe that had been opened with an angle grider.

Somewhat rare but it does happen, and clearly someone knew this guy had them. I am cautious too, unload the car out of public eye etc.

Most of the public have no idea on who is LAFO or not. For a random theif to pick a house, break in and be equipped enough to open a safe (and have time) would be extremely rare. Most are just druggies looking for something they can pawn for quick cash.

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Post by bladeracer » 04 Sep 2019, 3:26 pm

JSS wrote:I'm not saying they don't waste money, and are we the primary source of illegal guns, no, but i can tell you for a fact legal guns get stolen, when i was 20 (so way back before the safe storage laws) i was at a mates house when a bloke came over trying to sell two 22's and a 12g pumpy that he somehow ended up with that were stolen from some poor bastard. We told him to f@ck off and never come back. I also had my place broken into once many years ago before the safe storage laws and i had 4 guns under the bed, if they had of checked under the bed there would be 4 more illegal guns floating around out there, so don't try to tell me that unsecured guns don't get stolen because they do.
It may not be the violent criminals stealing them, it's the dead sh!ts and junkies breaking into houses, but everything they steal ends up back at the drug dealers house being swapped for drugs, so yes they eventually do end up in the hands of the not so nice.

If your guns are not secure and the cops take them then suck sh!t you got what you deserve. And don't worry they're spending plenty of money to combat violent crime and i'm sure a large chunk of that is being wasted too.

Like Tassie said how many legal guns in safes were taken? The answer would be NONE.

We have plenty of gun restrictions/laws here that suck, but the safe storage laws aren't one of them.


Of course firearms get stolen, anything can be stolen, and will be. But having your firearm stolen makes you a victim of crime, not a perpetrator of it. Gun safes do not prevent firearms from being stolen, if you follow some Facebok groups, victims of theft post photos of their gun safes that have been cut or smashed open, or stolen intact and dumped after being emptied. And as a tiny percentage of stolen firearms are recovered from criminals, usually not as part of violent crime, why should you be held responsible for "allowing" your firearm to be stolen, any more so than being held responsible for anything of yours being stolen, sold, and the money used to buy illegal guns or drugs that will be used to kill people? Stop thinking of yourself as a criminal in waiting, as GCA keep telling the public we are.

I don't think anybody disagrees that we should keep our firearms locked up, they're expensive, but nobody should be criminalised for deciding how they prefer to protect their assets. The only effect it has on society is in keeping guns out of the hands of Green morons, like Tim Winton (who would sit in his house as a kid, with his dad's rifle, sighting on people in his neighbourhood), or the Green politicians (I can't recall the name of the moron who tried to kill his brother when he found a handgun left in the bathroom by a family acquaintance ). The people who don't want us to have firearms are driven by their own experiences of stupidity, no moral compass, and zero self discipline - they simply assume the whole population is as reckless and stupid as they know themselves to be.
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Post by elnino » 04 Sep 2019, 3:31 pm

So very well said
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Post by bigrich » 04 Sep 2019, 3:55 pm

geez blade , if what you've said is true about those green party nutters , that's very worrying that these people are trying to have a say in politics in our country

those facts are very disturbing. i've often thought that the people who speak out against gun ownership seem to be the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to own them ...... :crazy:

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Post by bladeracer » 04 Sep 2019, 4:27 pm

bigrich wrote:geez blade , if what you've said is true about those green party nutters , that's very worrying that these people are trying to have a say in politics in our country

those facts are very disturbing. i've often thought that the people who speak out against gun ownership seem to be the type of people who shouldn't be allowed to own them ...... :crazy:

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They are self-published admissions, whether the tellers can be trusted to recognize truth, I sincerely doubt, but both statements were made in attacks against lawful firearm owners, so clearly indicate how these people view the rest of us.
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Post by JSS » 04 Sep 2019, 4:38 pm

bladeracer wrote:
JSS wrote:I'm not saying they don't waste money, and are we the primary source of illegal guns, no, but i can tell you for a fact legal guns get stolen, when i was 20 (so way back before the safe storage laws) i was at a mates house when a bloke came over trying to sell two 22's and a 12g pumpy that he somehow ended up with that were stolen from some poor bastard. We told him to f@ck off and never come back. I also had my place broken into once many years ago before the safe storage laws and i had 4 guns under the bed, if they had of checked under the bed there would be 4 more illegal guns floating around out there, so don't try to tell me that unsecured guns don't get stolen because they do.
It may not be the violent criminals stealing them, it's the dead sh!ts and junkies breaking into houses, but everything they steal ends up back at the drug dealers house being swapped for drugs, so yes they eventually do end up in the hands of the not so nice.

If your guns are not secure and the cops take them then suck sh!t you got what you deserve. And don't worry they're spending plenty of money to combat violent crime and i'm sure a large chunk of that is being wasted too.

Like Tassie said how many legal guns in safes were taken? The answer would be NONE.

We have plenty of gun restrictions/laws here that suck, but the safe storage laws aren't one of them.


Of course firearms get stolen, anything can be stolen, and will be. But having your firearm stolen makes you a victim of crime, not a perpetrator of it. Gun safes do not prevent firearms from being stolen, if you follow some Facebok groups, victims of theft post photos of their gun safes that have been cut or smashed open, or stolen intact and dumped after being emptied. And as a tiny percentage of stolen firearms are recovered from criminals, usually not as part of violent crime, why should you be held responsible for "allowing" your firearm to be stolen, any more so than being held responsible for anything of yours being stolen, sold, and the money used to buy illegal guns or drugs that will be used to kill people? Stop thinking of yourself as a criminal in waiting, as GCA keep telling the public we are.

I don't think anybody disagrees that we should keep our firearms locked up, they're expensive, but nobody should be criminalised for deciding how they prefer to protect their assets. The only effect it has on society is in keeping guns out of the hands of Green morons, like Tim Winton (who would sit in his house as a kid, with his dad's rifle, sighting on people in his neighbourhood), or the Green politicians (I can't recall the name of the moron who tried to kill his brother when he found a handgun left in the bathroom by a family acquaintance ). The people who don't want us to have firearms are driven by their own experiences of stupidity, no moral compass, and zero self discipline - they simply assume the whole population is as reckless and stupid as they know themselves to be.


I agree with you mate, but what you were saying before and what i replied to was that inspections were a waste of resources and money and are picking on us lafos and that stolen guns are all GCA bullsh!t and i disagree.

The way licencing and ptas and registration is setup has already been proven to be an ineffective over complicated expensive waste of time & money, but the small part of it that is a couple of plods coming out to check that our stuff is stored properly is very inexpensive and good value for money for them. A hour or twos wages for 1 or 2 plods to go to a house and check that x amount of guns are safe and where they should be is nothing compared to tracking down stolen and otherwise illegally obtained guns.
Like i've repeatedly said if we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of who gives a F@ck if they want to come & have a look?? The guys whinging about inspections carry on more like "victims" than anyone, "oh no they want to look at my guns oh i'm being oppressed poor poor me" What a load of tinfoil hat bullsh!t.

Enjoy your guns, fight the anti's, jump the occasional hoop, smile for the inspections and have fun the other 99.99% of the time. Life's not that hard. :friends: :drinks:
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Post by bladeracer » 04 Sep 2019, 5:33 pm

Being more cost effective than other ways of enforcing laws that are purely punitive against law-abiding citizens does not make them any less wasteful, as they have no beariñg at all on the stated reasons behind them, community safety. All laws directed at monitoring people who have already been extensively vetted, and been proved to be generally more law-abiding than the very authorities that vet them is a waste of resources, from every direction you examine it from.
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