Hundreds of firearms seized across Australia

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol you are right... the saying goes, there is lies, damned lies then there is statistics.

Yep 1% is about where it is, but if you see border force or customs tv shows... which are just marketing fluf

[mickb]

Some blokes get mixed up about the fact abiding by laws does not necessarily mean agreeing with them. Its well within law abiding citizens rights to assess and blackmark new laws in the making or challenge or lobby those already passed. Its not about conspiracy theories, its just about maintaning the balance between legislators and the public, which is how its meant to work.

I abide by gunlaws and paying traffic tickets for example but am also happy to call both shamworthy/revenue based, if they appear so.

Currently we have vastly more laws than we did 30 years ago, with 2x the police per capita to maintain them and 100% more people going to prison. Thats not a net postive effect, its a royal f***ing clusterf***. It means a lot of these laws are missing their intended targets or failing to deter or influence people to do right. Perfect reasons to demand better from the government.

[TassieTiger]

Interestingly and just to put my own foot in my mouth RE stats - a local internal police report has just been leaked to the press down here in tassie and shows how darn good the firearm laws are working...I can’t recall no’s exactly and now I can’t find the report (May have been pulled)...but it was along the lines of——
65 armed robberies in the last year is up 30% on last year, a 25% increase in other violent attacks, 30% increase in vehicle thefts, 12% increase in drug deaths, home invasions up 15%, etc - every single heading for measurement has jumped north significantly...

[trekin]

Who, exactly are the "guys whinging about inspections" in this thread?
As for the "if we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of ", after reading some of the posts here, it appears that there are a few who do believe that they have something to hide, or maybe they're just ashamed at being law abiding in this upside down country.

I would hope, and trust that nobody on this forum has anything to hide, and I doubt any firearm owner feels any shame for abiding the stupid laws we're stuck with.

I also didn't notice anybody whinging about inspections, I must've missed that completely.

Well I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that I was not whinging, and using the 'victim card', about inspections. I put that question to JSS, as I also have not seen any whinging about inspections.
As for the "if we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of " comment, that was a tongue in cheek dig at those who comment about how careful they are in not letting their neighbors see them loading their guns into their cars, or not having shooting related stickers on their vehicles. Along the lines of "Oh, I have nothing to hide, and I make damn sure that no one sees that I have nothing to hide".

[bigrich]

Who, exactly are the "guys whinging about inspections" in this thread?
As for the "if we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of ", after reading some of the posts here, it appears that there are a few who do believe that they have something to hide, or maybe they're just ashamed at being law abiding in this upside down country.

I would hope, and trust that nobody on this forum has anything to hide, and I doubt any firearm owner feels any shame for abiding the stupid laws we're stuck with.

I also didn't notice anybody whinging about inspections, I must've missed that completely.

Well I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that I was not whinging, and using the 'victim card', about inspections. I put that question to JSS, as I also have not seen any whinging about inspections.
As for the "if we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of " comment, that was a tongue in cheek dig at those who comment about how careful they are in not letting their neighbors see them loading their guns into their cars, or not having shooting related stickers on their vehicles. Along the lines of "Oh, I have nothing to hide, and I make damn sure that no one sees that I have nothing to hide".

Well I’m a cautious person by nature, with a little OCD thrown in . I grew up in a blue Collar suburb, and still live in one. And threw my life experiences, am well aware of the petty criminal activity of opportunistic drug addicts and wanna be criminals who maybe have links to outlaw bike clubs . And firearms are a big black market item for quick cash . People talk , and ya don’t really know ya neighbors or who they might know. I’m far from ashamed for being a shooter/hunter, but being cautious in my situation is just plain common sense

JMHO

[Sergeant Hartman]

Better be safe than sorry

[Stix]

I understand Trekkins point, but i dont see anything wrong with being discreet when loading firearms into car around the house BigRich...i, & im sure many do the same mate

There are far too many unscrupulous folk around these days that ive no doubt would happily target a house for not being home timetables...
And unfortunately, plenty of those types are attracted to "the more brazen the crime, the better" attitude...& those kunts dont need any encouragement...!!!

Not hiding the fact one is a proud lafo is distinctly different than having an extraverted egotistical arrogance when it comes to loading firearms into the car at home to advertise you're off for a few days to go shootin...

[bigrich]

I understand Trekkins point, but i dont see anything wrong with being discreet when loading firearms into car around the house BigRich...i, & im sure many do the same mate

There are far too many unscrupulous folk around these days that ive no doubt would happily target a house for not being home timetables...
And unfortunately, plenty of those types are attracted to "the more brazen the crime, the better" attitude...& those kunts dont need any encouragement...!!!

Not hiding the fact one is a proud lafo is distinctly different than having an extraverted egotistical arrogance when it comes to loading firearms into the car at home to advertise you're off for a few days to go shootin...

exactly stix 'ole mate i've found that attitudes to firearms can vary depending on where you live and travel to . a lot of the reigions i travel and hunt in on the NSW/QLD border have had the fires go through in the last day or so. i bin told the fire came in real close to Tenterfield town . spare a thought and a prayer for those affected fellas .