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Saw this on the Project - Sandy Hook ad

Post by allthegearandnoidea » 18 Sep 2019, 6:51 pm

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Re: Saw this on the Project - Sandy Hook ad

Post by Stoney » 18 Sep 2019, 7:46 pm

I am, I have, nothing. Speechless.
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Post by bigrich » 18 Sep 2019, 8:55 pm

and "the project" aired this ? to what end ? did they run a story with this ?
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Post by allthegearandnoidea » 18 Sep 2019, 9:47 pm

The Project runs an ongoing low level anti gun narrative and often airs stories about gun laws and shootings in US - no story but prefaced the video with statement that it was made in response to Sandy Hook.
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Post by TassieTiger » 19 Sep 2019, 9:04 am

Bloody hell. I’m speechless.
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Post by Ziad » 19 Sep 2019, 12:15 pm

Techinically a very good ad.... i think probably win the golden gong in gruen show.
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Post by pomemax » 19 Sep 2019, 1:23 pm

Have you ever googled school shooting in USA and when did they start 1840 s But not untill Austin Texas 1966 that they got to double digits. but just about 1 every year some where in USA is in a school.
I went looking for death by murder in usa it came up 5-7 per year sorta I was thinkin thats not to bad then I saw it was per 100,000 so in USA Schools a safe place to be when you look at the rest of the country ????
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Post by TassieTiger » 19 Sep 2019, 4:48 pm

As many others have commented now - if there are no major changes after kids and infants are involved- what IS it going to take...or perhaps it’s simply too late and the potential is a USA trait now...
Every time I hear of a shooting in the us now, I hardly bat an eye...which is pretty bad.
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Post by grandadbushy » 19 Sep 2019, 5:16 pm

:( Yeah I;m a bit like that to Tassie but when it involves children then it steps up a level in the conscience it's probably the nurturing instinct in humans as for that clip ''ad'' well I think it's to take the piss on gun owners but ads like that could lead people to expect things like that not sure it does any good in the long run except create fear which I presume it was designed for :(
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Post by TassieTiger » 19 Sep 2019, 6:35 pm

What it has created mate - that I wasn’t aware of - is a full on home internet schooling revolution, where kids log on at 8,00 at home, with computer and headset...and treat as normal class x 5 days a week.
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Post by Ziad » 19 Sep 2019, 6:47 pm

Cheaper for the state's don't have to pay and maintain expensive real estate, pay for admin staff and teachers... probably outsource it to India
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Post by Stix » 19 Sep 2019, 8:41 pm

Ok...my first impressions from a different point of view...i dunno...i dont think its that bad...
Over dramatised for sure--i mean, i cant see an adolescent boy & girl teaming up with coloured pencils & scissors to stsb a crazed gunman--thats a little reaching to say the least...

But for the advert to say at the end 'its preventable when you know how to read the signs'...
To me i see thats stabbing not only the authorities, but each member of society, with a desperate need for a proactive approach to mental health recognition & appropriate treatment...

Just like we need here before we get to a fair alignment with the USA...!!

I dont see this as a complete anti gun attack...but then i dont know who has funded & produced it either...

But as a neutral viewer, i see it as an attack on mental health support--or lack there-of....& for that part, i think its good, & it shouldnt leave us speechless...
It should leave us to a revolt against our authorities to insist on a proactive approach to mental health...

Rather than tske the gun away from the suicidal farmer/worker/businessman/general Jo Bloggs/decent parent who is unfairly estranged from their kids......lets insist we dont let them get to the stage of having to call a mutiny against either themselves or against society...lets do as the ad says & learn to recognise it & prevent it ourselves...!!

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When i was a young teenager, a shootin mate of my ol'mans had seperated from his wife...
I truely loved that bloke, & he had a soft spot for me too...used to slip me a little butcher of beer cos my ol'man was a stuck-up hard-arse...etc etc--that kind of bloke that was just the coolest dood ever...!!

Anyway...after his wife not letting him see the kids for so long, & the authorities not helping him along with his lawyer just milking his income, & his mates not recognising the deep extent of his pain, one night he had a carton of beer for dinner, & swallowed a full field load of lead shot at muzzle velocity for desert...

And if he wasnt a big time duck shooter with access to a semi-auto shotgun, he'd no doubt have done what sll the non-gun owners do now--drive into a big tree at top speed without a seatbelt on...!!...

That is how it is/was for that generation...
But nowdays for the younger generations who are mentally ill & hard done by, it seems its become fashionable to lash out at society & take people with you to prove a point...& social media gives it impact...!!

Dont mean to sound morbid at all...but as i said above--i see good in that video--i see it as saying guns ARE'NT the problem, & the signs are there a long time before the gun is even thought of to enter the equation...

Guns are not the cause of school shootings...just like Danny Frawley's car was (likely) not the cause he died when his car slammed into a tree...

This advert shows no guns...appears to have no direct negative connetations toward us genuine LAFO's...it isnt using GCA extremist tactics...& we shouldnt give it mileage to be against guns.
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I think it promotes a subliminal message that its not gun's that cause these tragedies, by way of not showing them... :thumbsup:

I think we should encourage it to educate society of this...
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Post by marksman » 19 Sep 2019, 9:59 pm

how I seen it to Stix, well said :clap:
'its preventable when you know how to read the signs'... :drinks:
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Post by grandadbushy » 19 Sep 2019, 10:44 pm

Yeah stix I had another look with your explanation in mind and yes I think you may have a point
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Post by bigrich » 20 Sep 2019, 4:49 am

Very good explanation of the add and the mental health aspect of things stix, and I agree with you about dealing with the causes and support for people who are struggling. But, this will end up being used as a anti gun push . Me personally, I own bolt action hunting rifles for hunting. I’m not going to win some friends here , but there does need to be some change in the USA. Can you imagine if some f@cked up meth heads in this country could just walk into a pawn shop and walk out with a handgun ? It wouldn’t be good for our society.

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Post by TassieTiger » 20 Sep 2019, 6:38 am

As an owner of kids around the ages of those in the video, I’ve got to wonder how they might view that video (scare the hell out of young girls and bring out the macho bulldust of young boys) - is that the target age OR is it adults with kids...
It’s just horrid that a vid like this HAS to exist full stop...
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Post by Stix » 20 Sep 2019, 8:16 am

Thanks marksman... :drinks:

Thanks Grsndad...seeing things from various points of view is alwsys a good thing to do...
But im not saying im right--im just saying i dont think this is anti gun...
Well im certainly not going to allow myself to be indoctrinated to believe this is anti gun...!!...fuk them good for nothing anti gun diks...!!!

Bigrich--i agree witb you mate--the USA has to change...but its a culture thing that has to change...as i said social media gives these terror style shootings big impact, & if you instantly removed all guns from their society, these tradgedies wouls still hsppen--just not with a gun...probably with home made explosives or ramming cars through groups...

But take the rewarding popularity of social media away, & look after these misguided folks in the first instance, & things would be different.

And richo, if it does get used as an anti gun stunt, thats no reason to hate it--rather get behind it for the opposite reason--it clearly says the gun isnt the problem, & the problem is recognisable before hand, so promote its TRUE message, be proud to be a shooter, & educate the uneducated with it... :clap:
There is no reason for us gun owners to hide or hate this advert--as both licenced gun & motor vehicle users, we are no more responsible for school shootings as we are responsible for the innocent victim of a drunk driver in an mva...so dont hide & hate...sprook its truth...:drinks:

Thats how we too are indoctrinated into the snti gun twat style beliefs--they hsve you wanting to hide & believing anything gun is bad.!--can you see that...?...
Dont take it onboard mate...guns are safe 'fun' compared to cars, alcohol & porn... :clap:

Tas...a school/public shooting terror attack affects EVERYONE...
So i see that advert as also targeting everyone...
I see it as clearly telling its audience to be aware of the signs, & act accordingly & suoportively then...
Ive no doubt it will scare some younger ones, but thats where good parenting comes into it...
A child filled with fear & thus lacking confidence & understanding from that fear, can & should be turned into a confident good reasoning & empathetic child with a healthy respect, sll from good parenting...!!

I guess the ad is promoting the conversation in the home Tas--if the kid sees the ad & tells mum/dad, thats the parents--or in you case--owners (lol) opportunity to educate... :thumbsup:
I think its hypocritical to care about all these kids traumatised by a school shooting, yet do NOTHING to help the poor kid/crazy kunt (cross out which ever is inapplicable) who's indoctrinated to believe such sn attack is his only option...really--whos fukn crazy...the eventual perpertrator, or the apathetic society who suddenly care when its too late... :unknown:

You're a good bloke Tas, so just continue to give your kids that good bloke-ness & teach them to understand the 'fear' & respect, just like you do with guns & driving cars... :thumbsup:


We've all seen the polar opposites in peoples behaviour when it comes to seeing a big spider in the house...
There's the stupid neurotic dik that looses all sense of rationsle, & then there's the one who grabs a glass & card & collects it to put it outside...

The former is most usually taught that irrational behaviour as a child, the latter has a respect--no need to kill it, but dont poke it in the face either, im uncomfortable with your presence so ill relocate you instead of kill you--again, most often taught in younger years...
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Post by bigrich » 20 Sep 2019, 8:54 am

Wise words of wisdom stix. Shame there’s lots of irrational nutters in the world who are going to take the anti gun stance. America’s history, outside of frontier towns it was lawless, and guns were a necessity. They’ve been at war with foreign powers quite a few times on their own soil. Britain twice , the Indian wars which are uncountable in the different skirmishes, the French, the Spanish, and Mexico, not forgetting Pancho Villa . So their mindset is one off being armed to defend themselves . In the modern world fighter jets can defend their borders in minutes. The only enemy yanks seem to fear now is their own corrupt government
Just a different point of view.....
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