pomemax wrote:DownunderDutchman
are you Naturalised yet I hold an eu passport as well as Australian one ,not hard to do .
On a side note a person i know served some time in the klink for driving offences 2 years deported to the uk on release this guy was in his 50 s owned 3 houses in sydney and had 5 kids and a few grankids was a builder but never married his mrs just lived with her for 30 odd years last thing bloke that put him on plane said to him was should have got Naturalised .He had been in Australia since he was 6
I give Dutch language lessons at mates ratessungazer wrote:That article all seemed double dutch to me. It seemed to lack a point and any real basis or facts to support the point. Please Explain.
sungazer wrote:That article all seemed double dutch to me. It seemed to lack a point and any real basis or facts to support the point. Please Explain.
DownunderDutchman wrote:I had my dealings with the Victorian branch, years ago when I did l all the paperwork they invented laws to stop me, now I have lived and worked down under for nearly 40 years, sure I still hold an EU passport but when it comes to a shooters license I am no different in the eyes of the law as any other Aussie thats born here as I am a permanent resident. They made up a law to proof I was in Australia legally, thats after I provide every single document showing I paid tax, and driver's license a medicare card, the list goes on. They tried everything to stop me from getting a shooters license. In defence I ask for them to show where on the application I had to proof I was here legally, they never did as it is not stated on there and told me, do as your told! I contacted a lawyer that was connected with a shooting organisation, and even he had never heard of this made up law. He did offer to help after I jumped through every single hoop and if I was still knocked back. At the end I had to get documentation of the migration department showing I was here legally, now that was not that hard, the tricky part was for me to produce a birth certificate, and being on the ass end of the world was tricky, but did get a copy. To add to it all, I dealt with just the one person with a heavy thick Indian accent, it was clear to me he had some dislike for clog wogs LOL. Now to be fair, if I had a criminal record, took fruitloop pills of some sort then yeah I can understand the treatment I got some years ago, but non applied to my case. Now I can put on my tinfoil hat and say ''conspiracy'' to knock back as many applicants as they can in any way possible, and I kinda still feel that way as we all know people with firearms are still looked upon as wrong and we aren't really painted as good peoples in the press. My renewal for my shooters licence is up in 2020 and have this feeling they might again make up some law to knock me back, it would not surprise me.
marksman wrote:DownunderDutchman wrote:I had my dealings with the Victorian branch, years ago when I did l all the paperwork they invented laws to stop me, now I have lived and worked down under for nearly 40 years, sure I still hold an EU passport but when it comes to a shooters license I am no different in the eyes of the law as any other Aussie thats born here as I am a permanent resident. They made up a law to proof I was in Australia legally, thats after I provide every single document showing I paid tax, and driver's license a medicare card, the list goes on. They tried everything to stop me from getting a shooters license. In defence I ask for them to show where on the application I had to proof I was here legally, they never did as it is not stated on there and told me, do as your told! I contacted a lawyer that was connected with a shooting organisation, and even he had never heard of this made up law. He did offer to help after I jumped through every single hoop and if I was still knocked back. At the end I had to get documentation of the migration department showing I was here legally, now that was not that hard, the tricky part was for me to produce a birth certificate, and being on the ass end of the world was tricky, but did get a copy. To add to it all, I dealt with just the one person with a heavy thick Indian accent, it was clear to me he had some dislike for clog wogs LOL. Now to be fair, if I had a criminal record, took fruitloop pills of some sort then yeah I can understand the treatment I got some years ago, but non applied to my case. Now I can put on my tinfoil hat and say ''conspiracy'' to knock back as many applicants as they can in any way possible, and I kinda still feel that way as we all know people with firearms are still looked upon as wrong and we aren't really painted as good peoples in the press. My renewal for my shooters licence is up in 2020 and have this feeling they might again make up some law to knock me back, it would not surprise me.
I have a german born farmer friend who around 4 years ago went through the exact same thing in victoria that you did
although he owns property, has bills, a car licence, boat licence, he even had had a gun licence but let it go after the steal back and he has been in australia for over 60 years they wanted proof that he was a permanent resident, with help from the fishers and shooters rep from a country area he got that sorted but no way would they let him have c class for being a primary producer, by then he just gave up
his problem was that being born during ww2 in germany his records were lost so he came over with his parents as a baby, his parents had all their own information but not his,
we also learnt that LRD have changed what was originally on the forms as far as primary identification is
marksman wrote:just read this and thought I'd share it
http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... ose-cannon
I especially liked this comment
"Some of the decisions coming out of the NSW Firearms Registry are quite frankly appalling, and one of the major reasons for this is that unlike Registries in other states the NSW Registry does not afford Natural Justice before making a decision.
Natural Justice is the right to a fair hearing, to have an opportunity to present one’s case and for the decision to be made by an unbiased and disinterested decision maker.'
DownunderDutchman wrote:pomemax wrote:DownunderDutchman
are you Naturalised yet I hold an eu passport as well as Australian one ,not hard to do .
On a side note a person i know served some time in the klink for driving offences 2 years deported to the uk on release this guy was in his 50 s owned 3 houses in sydney and had 5 kids and a few grankids was a builder but never married his mrs just lived with her for 30 odd years last thing bloke that put him on plane said to him was should have got Naturalised .He had been in Australia since he was 6
The Dutch government does not allow dual citizenship, and I won't part with the EU passport, sure Australia is my home and would never live in Europe. I don't drink or do anything unlawful for that matter, so no excuse to give me the boot. My older bro did the Aussie thing, and he regrets it now, he tried in vein to get the EU passport again, but they refused, kinda s**ty seeing he was born overseas and they let boat loads of non Dutchies in, cloth them feed them and house them, but that's a subject for some other bitch session LOL.
zhuk wrote:DownunderDutchman wrote:pomemax wrote:DownunderDutchman
are you Naturalised yet I hold an eu passport as well as Australian one ,not hard to do .
On a side note a person i know served some time in the klink for driving offences 2 years deported to the uk on release this guy was in his 50 s owned 3 houses in sydney and had 5 kids and a few grankids was a builder but never married his mrs just lived with her for 30 odd years last thing bloke that put him on plane said to him was should have got Naturalised .He had been in Australia since he was 6
The Dutch government does not allow dual citizenship, and I won't part with the EU passport, sure Australia is my home and would never live in Europe. I don't drink or do anything unlawful for that matter, so no excuse to give me the boot. My older bro did the Aussie thing, and he regrets it now, he tried in vein to get the EU passport again, but they refused, kinda s**ty seeing he was born overseas and they let boat loads of non Dutchies in, cloth them feed them and house them, but that's a subject for some other bitch session LOL.
Yep. Friend of mine came out here as a 10 pound Pom in 1959 when he was 4 months old; his father was taken gravely ill while travelling in the US, to be able to get a passport to visit him on his deathbed (and return to the only country he had ever know ie not be refused re-entry to Australia) he had to gain Australian citizenship.
sungazer wrote:@DownunderDutchman mate you got off cheap I just had to buy a resident return visa for my wife $405 it is now. Before June I think it was $385. She is going down the Citizen route as it is about the same cost but + a passport $ However we wanted to travel before the Citizenship would be processed so yep more big $ just to be allowed back. The Gov make money on everything you do, and buy/sell ect
TassieTiger wrote:Insane. Our history, our relics, our forefathers tools of freedom...being forever ruined due to govt insanity...
marksman wrote:just read this and thought I'd share it
http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... ose-cannon
I especially liked this comment
"Some of the decisions coming out of the NSW Firearms Registry are quite frankly appalling, and one of the major reasons for this is that unlike Registries in other states the NSW Registry does not afford Natural Justice before making a decision.
Natural Justice is the right to a fair hearing, to have an opportunity to present one’s case and for the decision to be made by an unbiased and disinterested decision maker.'
marksman wrote:I read this myself and have to say it is very disappointing but we all have heard the rumours that you do not get into the firearm registries by being a gun lover
I have great respect for the sporting shooter magazine and its contributors for bringing these things to light
if anyone thinks these registries are there to help they are deluded
sungazer wrote:I will be accused of having friends or be affiliated with the police or wot not non of that is true. I just try and strip away some of the hype and try and look at the subject objectively. I think this writer exaggerates significantly to illicit the response that Firearm owners are being persecuted. He is probably being paid by the magazine and exaggeration sells. He is as guilty as the rest of the media that beat up stories.
History has shown us that in all the cases of guns being re classified either by appearance or operation that the owners of these guns have been given an exemption and they can continue to own and operate those guns. The new classifications that would apply to the gun do not come into effect until the gun is sold.
I use the examples of the DST Dessert Tacs reclassified under appearance laws in NSW owners still have them. The Adler levers that have a 7 shot magazine still allowed to own and operate as are the current ones still in category A.
I do agree however that the appearance laws in any form are stupid and have no impact on the safety of the public. Reclassification is also more absurd.
sungazer wrote:That property devaluation is a good point and one I think he should of made not of rather that to try and make sensationalist remarks. Of course doing that invokes the passion in people and that is what it is all about.
I dont have a problem with the topic or the argument I just think it should be delivered in a more balanced way rather than lower the standards and resort to the same sort of media delivery that the Antis use.