NSW firearms registry not calling a spade a spade

[sungazer]

@DownunderDutchman mate you got off cheap I just had to buy a resident return visa for my wife $405 it is now. Before June I think it was $385. She is going down the Citizen route as it is about the same cost but + a passport $ However we wanted to travel before the Citizenship would be processed so yep more big $ just to be allowed back. The Gov make money on everything you do, and buy/sell ect

[DownunderDutchman]

@DownunderDutchman mate you got off cheap I just had to buy a resident return visa for my wife $405 it is now. Before June I think it was $385. She is going down the Citizen route as it is about the same cost but + a passport $ However we wanted to travel before the Citizenship would be processed so yep more big $ just to be allowed back. The Gov make money on everything you do, and buy/sell ect

Damn it has gone up heaps! It was over a decade ago since I went overseas, just goes to show how much things have gone up in cost. My travels overseas are done, more than happy to see this great country, although there is plenty of great spots to see in Eastern Victoria, best country on the planet, best state and I live in the best part of the state, well if you are into hunting/camping that is. I had 2 aunties here in 2018 for a holiday, they said Australia is beautiful but they could not function here as they are way to indoctrinated by the EU lifestyle. I have seen many countries, seen alot of Europe, but won't go back there as the whole place is a snowflake haven filled with way to many imports that are taking over, it's the main reason I left Melbourne as parts of that has turned into ghettos as well, still good here in country Vic.

[BluEsky]

Insane. Our history, our relics, our forefathers tools of freedom...being forever ruined due to govt insanity...

Yes It appears that the push over the last few Years to go after the easy to win classes ( those with limited numbers of shooters involved) that the aspects of picking 'Lower Hanging Fruit" sections of the Shooting Sports become evident, for example Lever Actions Ammo Bills, Look alike Black Guns ect. and now this with the Museum Firearms.

This pursuit of the 'Divide and Conquer" method and lack of action and opposition by all those in The Shooting Sports who say 'it does not affect me' so what will it matter, but that enables and emboldens them to continue the rort.

[BluEsky]

just read this and thought I'd share it
http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... ose-cannon

I especially liked this comment
"Some of the decisions coming out of the NSW Firearms Registry are quite frankly appalling, and one of the major reasons for this is that unlike Registries in other states the NSW Registry does not afford Natural Justice before making a decision.

Natural Justice is the right to a fair hearing, to have an opportunity to present one’s case and for the decision to be made by an unbiased and disinterested decision maker.'

Just read another article in Sporting Shooter Mag. by Neil Jenkins from the National Shooting Council. It questioned the FAR's on their requirements of the Qualifications of Advisors, and asked if ? ..... Unqualified and inexperienced people are in, and they are putting the wrong people in charge of managing our gun laws?

"We recently asked our nations firearm registries what qualifications and experience they have in one of their key tasks – classifying and reclassifying firearms."

Read more at http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... XHS7elV.99




Try this Link for the Full Article....http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... sistencies.

[marksman]

I read this myself and have to say it is very disappointing but we all have heard the rumours that you do not get into the firearm registries by being a gun lover
I have great respect for the sporting shooter magazine and its contributors for bringing these things to light
if anyone thinks these registries are there to help they are deluded

[Ricochet]

Just out of interest if anyone here can answer the question, what was the wait time from initial application of a NSW firearms licence to receipt of plastic and or application to hands on firearm before the Edwards shooting?

[TassieTiger]

I read this myself and have to say it is very disappointing but we all have heard the rumours that you do not get into the firearm registries by being a gun lover
I have great respect for the sporting shooter magazine and its contributors for bringing these things to light
if anyone thinks these registries are there to help they are deluded

This was exactly the reason I got behind the 365 issue - it’s power tripping no body’s calling the shots and they need to be held accountable

[sungazer]

I will be accused of having friends or be affiliated with the police or wot not non of that is true. I just try and strip away some of the hype and try and look at the subject objectively. I think this writer exaggerates significantly to illicit the response that Firearm owners are being persecuted. He is probably being paid by the magazine and exaggeration sells. He is as guilty as the rest of the media that beat up stories.

History has shown us that in all the cases of guns being re classified either by appearance or operation that the owners of these guns have been given an exemption and they can continue to own and operate those guns. The new classifications that would apply to the gun do not come into effect until the gun is sold.

I use the examples of the DST Dessert Tacs reclassified under appearance laws in NSW owners still have them. The Adler levers that have a 7 shot magazine still allowed to own and operate as are the current ones still in category A.

I do agree however that the appearance laws in any form are stupid and have no impact on the safety of the public. Reclassification is also more absurd.

[BluEsky]

I will be accused of having friends or be affiliated with the police or wot not non of that is true. I just try and strip away some of the hype and try and look at the subject objectively. I think this writer exaggerates significantly to illicit the response that Firearm owners are being persecuted. He is probably being paid by the magazine and exaggeration sells. He is as guilty as the rest of the media that beat up stories.

History has shown us that in all the cases of guns being re classified either by appearance or operation that the owners of these guns have been given an exemption and they can continue to own and operate those guns. The new classifications that would apply to the gun do not come into effect until the gun is sold.

I use the examples of the DST Dessert Tacs reclassified under appearance laws in NSW owners still have them. The Adler levers that have a 7 shot magazine still allowed to own and operate as are the current ones still in category A.

I do agree however that the appearance laws in any form are stupid and have no impact on the safety of the public. Reclassification is also more absurd.

Well I always take notice when someone of note, who works with Firearms problems and Laws & Regulations within the Legal System 24/7 raises the Flag and gives us all a 'Heads Up', that in his opinion and in his experience all is not going well with aspects of the Shooting Sports and the FAR of recent times, and I fail to note any "significant exaggeration' in any of his articles I have read.
He is one of the few 'Go To Legal Eagles' when one needs advice on Firearms matters, and advises Shooting Bodies on Firearms Matters.
One has only to look at the Threads and Posts in the Australian Gun Laws Forum section on this very Forum to gain an insight of what Members think of the problems and how well they think things are going in this regard.

Also I find to having a caveat imposed upon one's Property that devalues it's total resale $ Value not at all agreeable.

[sungazer]

That property devaluation is a good point and one I think he should of made not of rather that to try and make sensationalist remarks. Of course doing that invokes the passion in people and that is what it is all about.
I dont have a problem with the topic or the argument I just think it should be delivered in a more balanced way rather than lower the standards and resort to the same sort of media delivery that the Antis use.

[BluEsky]

That property devaluation is a good point and one I think he should of made not of rather that to try and make sensationalist remarks. Of course doing that invokes the passion in people and that is what it is all about.
I dont have a problem with the topic or the argument I just think it should be delivered in a more balanced way rather than lower the standards and resort to the same sort of media delivery that the Antis use.

One could say that in this age of Political Correctness gone mad, even what was once considered a mundane remark could now be classed as a World shattering blasphemy.

Your previous statement of" I do agree however that the appearance laws in any form are stupid and have no impact on the safety of the public. Reclassification is also more absurd," is true to a point, but give the Anti's an inch and all Firearms will look like this.

[sungazer]

The really annoying thing about all these organizations crying poor about how hard done by they are but they dont take any action. If all the organizations or even just a few of them united and actually stood up and fronted the politicians like the Gays and Lesbos have we wouldnt have to complain. i read on one of the posts here that there are more shooters than the gay community but look what they have achieved for themselves against a fair number of opposition.

[BluEsky]

The really annoying thing about all these organizations crying poor about how hard done by they are but they dont take any action. If all the organizations or even just a few of them united and actually stood up and fronted the politicians like the Gays and Lesbos have we wouldnt have to complain. i read on one of the posts here that there are more shooters than the gay community but look what they have achieved for themselves against a fair number of opposition.

So let's see if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that we Need all of our 'Alphabet organisations' to band together and stand up on behalf of all the Shooting Sports, it would be impressive, for a start it could go under the banner of the NRASFFPSSAAANSWAPAPAIPSCADHA. Sorry if I have I left any out?

[sungazer]

The really annoying thing about all these organizations crying poor about how hard done by they are but they dont take any action. If all the organizations or even just a few of them united and actually stood up and fronted the politicians like the Gays and Lesbos have we wouldnt have to complain. i read on one of the posts here that there are more shooters than the gay community but look what they have achieved for themselves against a fair number of opposition.

So let's see if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that we Need all of our 'Alphabet organisations' to band together and stand up on behalf of all the Shooting Sports, it would be impressive, for a start it could go under the banner of the NRASFFPSSAAANSWAPAPAIPSCADHA. Sorry if I have I left any out?

In essence that is exactly what I am saying. The first step is the members in these organizations pushing the board members to do exactly that. It takes getting involved getting some members together putting a motion to the board at an agm and getting it passed. If your not active in trying to change the way things work don't complain about them.

[TassieTiger]

The really annoying thing about all these organizations crying poor about how hard done by they are but they dont take any action. If all the organizations or even just a few of them united and actually stood up and fronted the politicians like the Gays and Lesbos have we wouldnt have to complain. i read on one of the posts here that there are more shooters than the gay community but look what they have achieved for themselves against a fair number of opposition.

So let's see if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that we Need all of our 'Alphabet organisations' to band together and stand up on behalf of all the Shooting Sports, it would be impressive, for a start it could go under the banner of the NRASFFPSSAAANSWAPAPAIPSCADHA. Sorry if I have I left any out?

In essence that is exactly what I am saying. The first step is the members in these organizations pushing the board members to do exactly that. It takes getting involved getting some members together putting a motion to the board at an agm and getting it passed. If your not active in trying to change the way things work don't complain about them.

Which is exactly why I am perplexed when you denounce the lawyer writing about poor registry service (although, kudos for expressing your opinion regardless), don’t support the likes of 365 accuracy who are clearly fighting misinterpreted regulations by FAR, etc...is there not at least a little hypocrisy to your statement above about standing together?
Are you a member of one of the above mentioned acronym clubs ? are you doing anything to support the shooting community ?

[sungazer]

Yes I am absolutely getting involved and pushing a wide variety of issues. One of those about shooting steel plates on certain ranges and for the Victorian range assessors to adopt the same guidelines as NSW have for their construction.

I am not denouncing the lawyer for the underling topic at all just the sensational type of writing and exaggerating the circumstances. More of a salesman approach than a lawyer that likes to stick strictly to the facts.

[TassieTiger]

Fair enough - good on you.
I know I should do more and some others should at least start...
The sad fact is, we are going to lose ground if we don’t unite...if every member on this forum took 5 minutes to draft a letter to their local member and their affiliate clubs it would be a start - showing our puppet masters that we can organise and we can unite would have them counting votes...