ABC's 7.30 on Horse Racing Industry

[bladeracer]

What was your method for catching/killing the fish again?

I don't fish because I don't believe fish are unable to experience pain or fear, the occasions that I have fished I kill the fish as soon as possible, not toss it in a bucket to suffocate as seems to be the norm.

Do you think that the aboriginals who used to spear fish felt that they to weren't causing any pain for fear to the fish?.

So what you are saying is that a fish that is pulling against your line is in fact happy and not really in fear of it's life and trying to get away from what it is that is pulling against it? Do you not see you caused fear and suffering and pain to the fish before you so humanely killed it by whatever methods you deemed as humane? Because you say you didn't get any pleasure out of catching it doesn't exonerate you from the fact it suffered before you killed it just like those dairy cows you were telling us about which you pointed out was a disgusting thing to do

As I said earlier we have been using and abusing animals since the beginning of time in one way or another for our own benefit and I doubt it will stop any time soon.

I used a line and hook, then a knife to dispatch them, the locals preferred to hit them with lumps of wood which was just as effective.
Again, where did I make any claim that aboriginals weren't causing pain?

Again, I said the exact opposite of what you're claiming, I stated that a fish is in both pain and fear while on the line, I don't see how I can make that any clearer to you - it's why I don't fish, remember back at the start of your tirade against humane treatment of animals.

It won't stop if people like yourself thrive on cruelty and consider it a necessary part of eating animals.

[bladeracer]

With you Blade,I did 4 years living on a dairy farm just north of Bunbury and milked every second weekend.The big truck used to come out once a month and the cows that went on the big truck never come back.As it used to come down the lane all the herd would huddle up and try to get behind each other.They knew what a ride in the big truck meant.The grain feed beef you see advertised is our old Friesians that failed to get pregnant after many years of service.One in particular was 88 Cuddles that you could sit on and was tame as but she failed to get pregnant after 12 years and giving us nearly a full tanker of milk on her own so she went on a one way ride.It would be nice to have put her in her own paddock but farms do not work like that.Regards fishing in this day of google and information most anglers ike jime there keepable catch and put on a ice/seawater slurry and carefully release bycatch and over bag fish.Fish feel pressure and light and do not hesitate to slash each other in half so dont go all girly over what fish feel bitch.LOL

Our pair of boys are tight friends, they spend a lot of time with their heads together pushing each other around. Both of them are pretty timid around us though, which I can only assume is something they associate with when we ringed them as calves (they were the only two boys). All the cattle went through the crush as we did vaccinations and tags at the same time. Because of this timidness in these two, Rose is wanting to cut the testes out instead of ringing them this time. I think ringing is the better way, and we gave them pain relief at the time, but it seems they hold some degree of memory of it, so we'll try something else this time. We know these boys have had a good life with us, and now it's time to put them in the freezer and make way for this current crop that are dropping - that's how life works. Neither of us like abattoirs, but sadly the law requires us to deliver them live to an abattoir to be slaughtered and processed, and we can only hope they treat them well while they're there. Rose is wanting me to tan their hides as well.

We're still calving with three left to drop, but it looks like we're seeing 100% success. One of our big girls is a problem and lost both previous calves, if she lost this one the abattoir was looking like her end as well. At $2K apiece we do need to make some return on them. She had the same trouble but we were prepared this time. Some cows experience intense anxiety when they pop out a calf, even after several times. They know that something very big is happening, but they don't know what, or how to deal with it, so they go nuts, and wind up killing the calf. I sat with the calf in the hay shed that night for a couple hours waiting for her to feed it but we had to give up. Rose got up during the night to feed it. In the morning though, mum had another look at the calf when she'd calmed down, decided it was amazing, and became the doting mother we know she is. Last year I went up to a dairy and collected a poddy that they'd taken from a dairy cow. Unfortunately she wouldn't accept it so we ended up skinning hers and wrapping the poddy with the skin. She was clearly confused as could be, but the smell was a strong attachment, and by the end of day two she'd stopped biffing her around and took her to heart.

[Oldbloke]

No doubt you've eaten plenty of animals that have had the same sort of treatment before being processed into food for you and your family to eat. (as we all have and are probably still doing) you can't get away from the fact that animals we eat have been and more than likely are still being mistreated in some way as part of their lifecycle before we consume them in their many end products. I just find your attitude to dairy cows a bit hypocritical when you have consumed other animals that have been through these sorts of processes.

You would have to be delusional if you don't think you've consumed animals that have been treated like this - we all have and no doubt are still doing so in one way or another.

Must be fun being a Meat Chicken hey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixGkSFBty0

Some processing of farm animals to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6l40N59yE

Looks like humane end to a chickens life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUFHnJ3uhQ

Those videos just about put me off my dinner.

It could be done a lot better.

[Stix]

Having watched the ABC show, I also was appalled by the treatment of the horses, especially the psycho a'ole f'wit that was so clearly abusing the animals. I am no horse lover and firmly believe that should be eliminated from the high country and other places like Barmah, While they should be humanely euthanized, this s**t is so totally unnecessary.

When it come to racing, it is my belief that anyone who bets on the horses, greyhounds, trots etc has to much money. There is any number of dodgy charities where they can send their money to waste it if that is what they must do.

With the horses, remove the jockeys and the sulky drivers and it may be a fair race. The dogs are a bit harder, as there are just so many ways to bias the results.

Yep...thats where im coming from...