bigfellascott wrote:It's Trumps fault!
bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
And how do you rationalise that?
Stix wrote:bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
And how do you rationalise that?
Id hazard a guess that if you need to ask that, you'd either not understand the answer, &/or just argue the answer for the sake of arguing......
Also, its like you're saying you dont have any respect for the animals you hunt...
bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
And how do you rationalise that?
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
And how do you rationalise that?
What is there to rationalise? Humans require eating the meat of animals to survive and evolve, no way around that. So we breed animals for the purpose of feeding us, without that goal there is no reason to have evolved domestic stock animals.
bigfellascott wrote:The reason I asked is that in his earlier post he made mention about calves being taken from their mothers. Lots of farm animals have their young taken from them at early stages of their lives, why is it justifiable to eat some and think it abhorrent that it happens to dairy cows? All farm animals end up being separated soon or later from their mothers and I'm not sure that because it happens sooner than later that it really can be justified JMHO.
And can you clarify what you mean by respect for the animals I shoot?
bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:Have you gone vegan?
Assuming that was for me, nope, in fact we're sending two of our boys to the abattoir on Monday. You can empathize with and respect animals and still eat them, no different to hunting them.
And how do you rationalise that?
What is there to rationalise? Humans require eating the meat of animals to survive and evolve, no way around that. So we breed animals for the purpose of feeding us, without that goal there is no reason to have evolved domestic stock animals.
So your ok with the way other farm animals are treated and processed so we can eat them, just not how dairy cows are treated?
There is lots of suffering of animals in farming so we can eat them, always has been and probably always will be.
xDom wrote:For arguments sake.. if the horses had been humanely put down to turn into dog meat, would there be an outcry.?
bigfellascott wrote:No doubt you've eaten plenty of animals that have had the same sort of treatment before being processed into food for you and your family to eat. (as we all have and are probably still doing) you can't get away from the fact that animals we eat have been and more than likely are still being mistreated in some way as part of their lifecycle before we consume them in their many end products. I just find your attitude to dairy cows a bit hypocritical when you have consumed other animals that have been through these sorts of processes.
You would have to be delusional if you don't think you've consumed animals that have been treated like this - we all have and no doubt are still doing so in one way or another.
Must be fun being a Meat Chicken hey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixGkSFBty0
Some processing of farm animals to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6l40N59yE
Looks like humane end to a chickens life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUFHnJ3uhQ
bigfellascott wrote:I think you are deluding yourself if you think that you haven't been responsible for pain and suffering of animals in your lifetime, we all have in one way or another (directly or indirectly) just by the mear fact you use an animal to sustain your life/lifestyle you have somewhere along the line caused harm/fear etc - you can try and justify it how you like but you'd be a hypocrite if you think you haven't and thinking just because you didn't directly intentionally cause harm/fear etc doesn't negate that fact.
(Do you honestly think that because you killed your fish as quickly as possible after you caught it that somehow that makes you superior or a better person than those who let theirs die slowly in a bucket? You've both caused fear/harm/pain to the animal, yes yours was slightly more humane but the fact still remains you caused suffering to an animal as we all do when we kill them for our benefit (your kidding yourself if you think otherwise).
We've all benefited from the misery and suffering of animals and just because you do it in a "more Humane" way doesn't negate the fact you caused suffering to an animal (we do love to tell ourselves that but it really is a lie at the end of the day) cause no animal wanted to die to just keep us alive hey.
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:The reason I asked is that in his earlier post he made mention about calves being taken from their mothers. Lots of farm animals have their young taken from them at early stages of their lives, why is it justifiable to eat some and think it abhorrent that it happens to dairy cows? All farm animals end up being separated soon or later from their mothers and I'm not sure that because it happens sooner than later that it really can be justified JMHO.
And can you clarify what you mean by respect for the animals I shoot?
I feel the same about any industry that takes newborns from their mothers, although some animals don't seem to bond strongly, I have not seen such bonds in sheep or rabbits for example.
If you don't understand the difference between humanely taking the life of a mature animal that you have nurtured for that purpose, and keeping animals in a concentration-camp type of existence, breeding them purely to give them a permanent sense of grief, nothing I can say will help you see it. Cows for example can be separated from their mature calves without seèming to endure the obvious grief they do over their newborns.
bladeracer wrote:bigfellascott wrote:I think you are deluding yourself if you think that you haven't been responsible for pain and suffering of animals in your lifetime, we all have in one way or another (directly or indirectly) just by the mear fact you use an animal to sustain your life/lifestyle you have somewhere along the line caused harm/fear etc - you can try and justify it how you like but you'd be a hypocrite if you think you haven't and thinking just because you didn't directly intentionally cause harm/fear etc doesn't negate that fact.
(Do you honestly think that because you killed your fish as quickly as possible after you caught it that somehow that makes you superior or a better person than those who let theirs die slowly in a bucket? You've both caused fear/harm/pain to the animal, yes yours was slightly more humane but the fact still remains you caused suffering to an animal as we all do when we kill them for our benefit (your kidding yourself if you think otherwise).
We've all benefited from the misery and suffering of animals and just because you do it in a "more Humane" way doesn't negate the fact you caused suffering to an animal (we do love to tell ourselves that but it really is a lie at the end of the day) cause no animal wanted to die to just keep us alive hey.
Where do you keep getting this view that I feel superior to other people because of the things I believe in? Where did I claim I was this saint you keep confusing me with that has managed to go through life never having caused pain to an animal?
I disagree that killing any animal requires you to inflict pain or suffering upon it. I never said that killing a fish as soon as you can means it suffers no pain or fear, or that it makes you superior to the guy fishing beside you that doesn't. The fishing I did was in The Ord, taking catfish for the Aged Care Centre at the Aboriginal community I was working at, I wasn't fishing for pleasure, although the country, the local people that took me along, and the enormous crocodiles made the experience an unforgettable treasure of memories. Of course the fish experienced pain and anguish while they were on the hook, it was my duty to minimize that to the extent possible. I find it just incredible that you not only disagree with the concept, you seem completely against it on principle.
I have certainly caused harm to animals, that doesn't mean I want to delude myself into believing that is normal or desired, but it definitely reinforces my desire to avoid making the same mistakes again.
It is absolutely possible to eat animals,without causing pain and suffering, but you do have to accept that you have that choice to do so, and to act on it. Such a belief is merely human, nothing more than that. No animal cares what it wanted when it is dead, being dead is not painful or worrying...
I don't fish because I don't believe fish are unable to experience pain or fear, the occasions that I have fished I kill the fish as soon as possible, not toss it in a bucket to suffocate as seems to be the norm.
bigfellascott wrote:You've never seen a lamb suckling from it's mother or a baby rabbit doing the same? Pretty sure that bonding at it's most important point in life.