Cashless Society - Our Future

[on_one_wheel]

I'm not making any tin foil theories it's already happening around the world unless you've been under a rock you might have noticed what's happening in Greece with people lining up at ATMs it's also starting to happen in Asian countries.

Don't forget that at a stroke of a pen they can also make private precious metal investment illegal force you to sell it back and relax the law once the price has been reset just as they did in the USA with Executive Order 6102

Some of those in the high end of town made a massive profit, no body was ever charged for not following the order.

Basicly were slaves to these picks.

[mikejay]

So in short, if we eventually goto a cashless society..... don't pull out your money from the bank.

Convert it into a tangible asset like gold, silver, real estate etc.

If you pull it out as cash you are still at the mercy of the evil government and banks who can at the stroke of a keyboard make your notes worthless.

Slight correction......

"If you pull it out as cash you are at the mercy of the evil government and banks who make your notes worth less."

[Bill]

So the Victorian Liberal Council had their State meeting over the weekend and a motion REJECTING the $10K Cash ban bill was passed overwhelmingly.

Something like 95% of the 400 attending members voted against the Bill and Frydemburgers who was present left the room when the vote was taken. Gutless FLOG.

[Sergeant Hartman]

That plus them threatening to vote out those who support it come pre-selection means... this is finished for now

[Bill]

Whats disappointing is no main stream media has reported on this, shows how far right our media has gone when there is nothing

[Sergeant Hartman]

Hmmmm lol

[Bill]

Well Scomo has had the worst week of Priministership, smacked on the floor of Parliament lost the Union busting bill, caught lying, and his Cash ban Bill is stuffed

Soviet ScoMo

[straightshooter]

Well Scomo has had the worst week of Priministership, smacked on the floor of Parliament lost the Union busting bill, caught lying, and his Cash ban Bill is stuffed

Soviet ScoMo

I suppose this is a source of high excitement for laber spruikers but for the general public .... yawn.
On the other hand I suppose these bills would be perfectly acceptable if they were sponsored by Mr. Albasleazy.

[straightshooter]

I'm not making any tin foil theories it's already happening around the world unless you've been under a rock you might have noticed what's happening in Greece with people lining up at ATMs it's also starting to happen in Asian countries.

Don't forget that at a stroke of a pen they can also make private precious metal investment illegal force you to sell it back and relax the law once the price has been reset just as they did in the USA with Executive Order 6102

Some of those in the high end of town made a massive profit, no body was ever charged for not following the order.

Basicly were slaves to these picks.

I dispute your last sentence, we have been for a long time!
As for the earlier comments one only needs to have serious conversations with people who lived in countries under the Soviet block in that era to understand the various ways the population works around these forms of restrictions.
Drug dealers, organised crime and high flying business people already do it so some extent.

[Bill]

[/quote]
I suppose this is a source of high excitement for laber spruikers but for the general public .... yawn.
On the other hand I suppose these bills would be perfectly acceptable if they were sponsored by Mr. Albasleazy.[/quote]

So you support the board of Westpac Straighshooter ??

and clearly you missed the bit where the 95% of the Victorian Liberal Council overwhelmingly reject Scomo/Frydemburgers Cash Ban Bill ! are they psuedo Labor supporters too ?

Why do you think forcing rural folk to drive greater distances just to pay for stuff with their own after tax money at a Bank ? Tell us all what part of this Policy you support.....

I'm a conservative voter but this bulls**t about banning cash under the guise of reducing the black economy is a load of bollocks and something you'd expect in a Communist regime.

With a stroke of a pen the Coalition could sign off on anti money laundering laws that cover the professional enablers in the Accounting/lawyer and Real estate sectors. Current estimate has that $36 Billion is launder mostly thru these sectors.

[Sergeant Hartman]

It's 10k amount... i say 99.99% of Australians haven't seen that much cash in one spot, let alone made a payment. And while I too like some people here like to pay cash 4 some things... again 90% of the people use cards for almost everything... even if it's not legislated the society is moving towards cashless itself.

And lastly most of when many use cash is to pay a tradie for a cash job..... and it amuses me when they give you a discount of 10% from their normal price... when I know full well they making an extra 20-30% on the deal

[bigrich]

It's 10k amount... i say 99.99% of Australians haven't seen that much cash in one spot, let alone made a payment. And while I too like some people here like to pay cash 4 some things... again 90% of the people use cards for almost everything... even if it's not legislated the society is moving towards cashless itself.

And lastly most of when many use cash is to pay a tradie for a cash job..... and it amuses me when they give you a discount of 10% from their normal price... when I know full well they making an extra 20-30% on the deal

all true cards are convenient , especially "pay wave" . you end up spending money quicker than you realise

[Bill]

Ziad $10k is nuthing too alot of retired fella's who like buying old cars and machinary, my newly retired father is 1 of those. He is forced to draw down his Super and as he is a frugal ex farmer who hates banks, he is stock piling cash to buying vintage bulldozer and tractora, well that's his hobby, nuthin to do with he tax office or the Govt so they can all get stuffed.

Taking away a freedom to force all payments thru a fee heavy banking system is nuts.

And I totally agree with the pay wave don't keep tabs on what you have spent scenario, I ve recently gone back to using a fixed a mount of cash recently and it certainly made my bank balance substantially healthier, its also pissed a few people off at the checkout

[Sergeant Hartman]

As a merchant with paywave, the banks off load most of the responsibility (fraud and misuse) to the merchant... thus I only allow for pin number no tap.

[gazza]

Will we have to pay the bank to hold our funds in a cashless society with negative rates?

[Sergeant Hartman]

No they pay you.

Banks are a business everyone pays, unless you have a mortgage all banks have a monthly account keeping fee, or a yearly fee

[straightshooter]

Will we have to pay the bank to hold our funds in a cashless society with negative rates?

Please start thinking.
You always have paid in one way or another, it's just that popular blindness to that fact that prevents the majority of people realizing just how that is the case.

[straightshooter]

I suppose this is a source of high excitement for laber spruikers but for the general public .... yawn.
On the other hand I suppose these bills would be perfectly acceptable if they were sponsored by Mr. Albasleazy.[/quote]

So you support the board of Westpac Straighshooter ??

and clearly you missed the bit where the 95% of the Victorian Liberal Council overwhelmingly reject Scomo/Frydemburgers Cash Ban Bill ! are they psuedo Labor supporters too ?

Why do you think forcing rural folk to drive greater distances just to pay for stuff with their own after tax money at a Bank ? Tell us all what part of this Policy you support.....

I'm a conservative voter but this bulls**t about banning cash under the guise of reducing the black economy is a load of bollocks and something you'd expect in a Communist regime.

With a stroke of a pen the Coalition could sign off on anti money laundering laws that cover the professional enablers in the Accounting/lawyer and Real estate sectors. Current estimate has that $36 Billion is launder mostly thru these sectors.[/quote]

I suppose ignorance, which is at times wilfully self imposed, is bliss.
So much so that a well programmed 'progressive' (?) couldn't have responded any better.
How dare I be contemptuous of this weeks media talking points.
Until a person understands that in reality we are only ever venting our spleens at ventriloquist's dummies, who have as much to do with originating those ideas as a ventriloquist's dummy does.
They just, quite relentlessly, keep selling them to us mug punters.
Politics has more in common with WWE than you may think.

[flutch]

this has been tried many times but the same result each time. cash wins. there really isn't a replacement for cash, so many times the inability to use cash results in cessation of trade. all too often technical/infrastructure/computer failings defeat the cashless idea. it doesn't and cant work.

[gazza]

There's plenty of events that are cashless. Some don't even have paywave, phones only. Be a thirsty concert if ya phone dies.

[flutch]

the cashless card in SA and WA used for low socioeconomic and indigenous people has resulted in them all re-locating to places that dont use that system, people dont want cashless, some form of barter would always inevitably take its place.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Lol the reason they don't like cashless is cuz they cannot get their smokes and their drugs on the card.

Dude i am surprised out tok you 2 days to come up with a reply. Go standard in a bank for 10 minutes, or a supermarket or a food joint, or Bunnings... anywhere.

Practically no one is posting via cash

And back to my previous post, this idea is dead for the time being.... how about you stop bringing out your tin foil hats.... Also how many times do you pay for your tin foil in Coles with cash?

[bigfellascott]

this has been tried many times but the same result each time. cash wins. there really isn't a replacement for cash, so many times the inability to use cash results in cessation of trade. all too often technical/infrastructure/computer failings defeat the cashless idea. it doesn't and cant work.

Yep the infrastructure just isn't up to a cashless system at this stage, we've had many instances around town where you go to use your card and can't cos "The System is Down" and the only way to pay for it is with cash or it's no sale.

[Member-Deleted]

Yep BFS and the further out from the cities the less you see the card ie pubs let you get cash out but you pay for every drink with cash it's stupid to go one on one with drink and card as you said the infrastructure is not there yet the day we loose cash will be the day we are totally controllable more so than now cash is about the last freedom we have left that benefits us

[flutch]

yeah cashless is a tyrannical move, gotta say, its forcing everyone to be 100% monitored all the time.

[bigfellascott]

Yep BFS and the further out from the cities the less you see the card ie pubs let you get cash out but you pay for every drink with cash it's stupid to go one on one with drink and card as you said the infrastructure is not there yet the day we loose cash will be the day we are totally controllable more so than now cash is about the last freedom we have left that benefits us

Yep without cash you are easy to control, just have a look at what they do to crims, they seize control of their bank accounts and shut them out, if they can do it to them then they can easily do it to ordinary people.

Then the next thing you know is you can't buy the things you may enjoy like cigarettes, alcohol etc cos they are bad for you they won't be able to be purchased at all electronically.

We might end up being another Korea if we aren't careful!

[flutch]

all comes back to busy bodies wanting to police others all the time, no different to the climate brigade, no different to the socialists... all just nobodies with nothing better to do and no life and a pathetic view and and an ego.

[Sergeant Hartman]

And just like that yesterday even the RBA governor came out sailing he can never see Australia going completely cashless. Esp in rural/ remote areas and of course older people like the ones here will not change