Locked off thread...

[Stix]

Does anyone know why im "not authorised to read this forum"...?

https://www.google.com/url?client=inter ... fnJ_NqgN-c

This is what happens when do a "Greta" search in the engine on this site...

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And this is what happens when hit the link...

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Can anyone else open it...?
Did something happen...?...
Or is it just shut down because we cant talk about it...?

Any ideas anyone...?

[marksman]

same here for me to Stix "not authorised to read this forum"...?

the Greta show

l think we have been bad boys Stix

censored because we have either hurt some snowflakes feelings or may do how rude

where is the freedom of speech looks like it has just been shelved Stix, the climate has changed "how dare they"

edit: l can get into the one l started about "watch aussie Greta Thunberg"

[bladeracer]

I think the thread has been deleted.
Who posted it originally, maybe they deleted it?

[Stix]

I started it Blade...
& i didnt delete it...

I wanted to add something & spent ages looking for it...

When i couldnt find it, i typed "Greta" into the search engine but didnt hold out any hope--purely because sometimes you can type a thread title with exact word for word, & it still doesnt come up...

Nevertheless, it came up, but cant be opened.

Maybe its offended someone as marksman suggested...
But they usually just lock it off with it still being visible...

Or maybe powers here dont like promoting Greta...?

Bit weird...surely an explanation is warranted...?

Maybe its a climate conspiracy...

... ...

[Stix]

Lol marksman...

Yes i tried your thread & i was very offended that is accessible & this one appears to have been shut down...

How dare they...

[Oldbloke]

Given the amount of name calling etc, etc in particular towards Greta, Im not surprised.

It would not look good in the publics eyes.

[Stix]

Yea i guess you're right OB...

I mean, god forbid anyone buck the actions & call out the cult style immoral behaviour that is succeeding to indoctrinate us with the agenda of the totalitarians...

I cant believe you dont see that using a child as the mascot is just a way to get the people to shut down their own people...
The whole mantra being that if you react to a child who pretends to have good intentions, you're evil...

Exactly as what you've just suggested...

And like they've apparently done with many of her "supporters"...

Ill make my own mind up, & we should be able to speak...
And people should realise & understand the behavioural tools "they" are using to create this harsh division...
So calling out a child, who is only the puppet, is to call out the cult leaders & hold them accountable...
Instead they've created their own little army to defend them...again, just as you have done...

If you look at how some religions & cults are created & build momentum, you'll see a parallel in the entire climate change fiasco...

You see it with anti gun goons, & with ventictive vegans--all extremists...
Why do we let it happen with climate fear...?

It is cult like...& to prove it, they've created such a monster, that to call it for what it is, just results in persecution & villification of those who see clearly...

If she's plastered throughout the media as a messiah, i should have the right to air my disapproval...
But that is being shut down...

[pomemax]

just for Stix a laugh at being ofended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo
I see what you mean i just went to read the post and was informed that "You are not authorised to read this forum."
I would like to ask A moderator WHY NOT
A forum is a place, situation, or group in which people exchange ideas and discuss issues, especially important public issues. NOT to have them censored

[Stix]

Ok i spat that out pretty quick & have just read it back...
I dint have time to try & change my apparent tone, so thought id mention i dont mean to be having a direct stab at you OB...
Im just trying to make a point...
So sorry if i come accros like im AT you...
Not the intention...
Just venting at the "movement" that is...

[Stix]

Yes pomme he is a crack-up..

That clip, & the other one edited out of the same show about oppression is a crack-cp...because its true...!!

[marksman]

Given the amount of name calling etc, etc in particular towards Greta, Im not surprised.

It would not look good in the publics eyes.

not wanting to look belligerent or aggressive and l know you have put "in particular towards Greta" Oldbloke
but if l remember correctly you had a part in name calling ect.... and it was against anyone who did not agree with your view

[Oldbloke]

not wanting to look belligerent or aggressive and l know you have put "in particular towards Greta" Oldbloke
but if l remember correctly you had a part in name calling ect.... and it was against anyone who did not agree with your view

Yes, I had a crack. But not as venum like. E.g. autistic and i think mental. And she was not in a position to defend herself.

[Stix]

Yes, I had a crack. But not as venum like. E.g. autistic and i think mental. And she was not in a position to defend herself.

And this is a big part of my points OB...

She hasn't put herself in this position...just like the young children of ISIS wouldn't be born with a natural instinct to want to slaughter you or I...

[marksman]

Yes, I had a crack. But not as venum like. E.g. autistic and i think mental. And she was not in a position to defend herself.

l think you need to have a re-think about what you actually wrote Oldbloke
as l said you did not direct what you said to any individual, your written words were "they" meaning anyone who disagreed with your view

in this nonbinaryyouhurtmyfeelings age you know that its not about how strong you think your venum is
its about how strong l think your venom is

what l read from what you have written here above is "you think you are not as bad as the people who's views differ from you"

that's like saying l didn't cheat on my wife as bad as you did but the truth is if there is intent it is as bad no matter how far you went

this is my perspective anyway

[Blackened]

Does anyone know why im "not authorised to read this forum"...?

Hi Stix,

The topic was removed, as it had degenerated into pointless arguing, abuse, name calling etc. It is nothing to do with any action being taken against your account specifically.

The result will still appear in Google for some time until it drops from the search results.

Or is it just shut down because we cant talk about it...?

As has been discussed in previous 'moderation' related topics, members are welcome to discuss virtually anything here.

I stress the word discuss, though.

I have deleted the comment now, but I will repeat it here as an example (this is not directed at you, I post this as general example for all). This was in response to OldBlokes post about name calling:

she deserves it, school dropout with mental issues barking at everyone amidst not knowing one thing about the ****** pouring out her mouth

The above is not part of a discussion, it's pointless abuse dished out from behind the anonymity of the internet. And frankly, it's f**king tedious, and I for one (of many) am sick of reading this type of pointless rubbish.

If people have a different opinion, different point-of-view, counter-argument, additional supporting or contrary evidence, and can articulate it in a constructive way, we're happy for it to be added to a conversation.

If all one is looking for in a forum is a place to vent or spew abuse, enoughgun is not the one for you. Go elsewhere.

The same goes for if you're just following someone you don't like from topic to topic being argumentative. And again if you're just posting the same inappropriate reply over-and-over after the original post was removed.

If someone posts something borderline, or emotions get a little frayed and they get carried away, we'll typically edit the content concerned and leave a bit of an explanation.

If people can't understand why the above quote isn't appropriate though, I honestly can't be bothered attempting to explain it to them any further. Replies or topics resembling the above will be deleted, warnings issue and/or accounts banned with no further explanation.

[Stix]

Ok...
Thanks for the explanation...

I thought id post something else up in the thread started by Straightshooter titled "Climate Porn"...
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=010123999 ... ric..0.0.0.

But i appears that too has suffered the same fate...

Its a shame because that had some good stuff in it...but ill admit, it seemed pretty clear someone there was going out of their way to cause a ruckus & be divisive...

I think its better to remove those random posts than delete a thresd...we are all human & all different after all, & should be forgiven for the odd clacker burst...

But i think the person in the climate porn thread should've been shut down earlier, rather than the entire topic removed...it was obvious they were being divisive for page after page after page...
That person is probably proud of what they've achieved too....

Anyway...im just glad im perfect & always right so dont need to worry about what i say...
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[Sergeant Hartman]

To be fair to the mods, stix, something you might agree with but some of the threads have gotten very out of hand lately. i am ashamed to say it but i have crossed the boundary a couple of times. Other times the posters know they are joking around but others reading will probably take it in the wrong way.

At times to remove all the posts it's quite a time consuming effort to say read a 20 or 30 page thread, then delete the offending posts. Thus if it's more than a handful posts its probably easier to delete the thread than clean it up

[Blackened]

Thanks for the explanation...

Any time.

I thought id post something else up in the thread started by Straightshooter titled "Climate Porn"...

But it appears that too has suffered the same fate...

It has.

Its a shame because that had some good stuff in it...but ill admit, it seemed pretty clear someone there was going out of their way to cause a ruckus & be divisive...

I think its better to remove those random posts than delete a thread...we are all human & all different after all, & should be forgiven for the odd clacker burst...

But i think the person in the climate porn thread should've been shut down earlier, rather than the entire topic removed...it was obvious they were being divisive for page after page after page...

I agree it's a shame when a topic has to be deleted, but sometimes that's the way things go.

On the point of removing "those random posts", that is always the first step and we'll never delete an entire topic at the first hint of discord.

The problem in some cases (a minority, thankfully) is that once an argument has started, deleting posts doesn't stop it. Participants remember posts that have been deleted and despite the fact that the replies are no longer there continue the argument, over and over.

Keep in mind, just because you see a relatively orderly controversial topic, doesn't mean we haven't already deleted 20, 30, 50 etc. inappropriate replies.

As Ziad touched on in his reply, there comes a point where the amount of moderation required gets ridiculous and the topic is just going to get the axe instead.

I remind all again that if you see a problem post, report it. Rising to the bait, returning the insult etc. is only contributing to the problem and increasing the chances a topic is going to be deleted.

Members need to use the tools we give them to help manage this stuff. If people chose to forgo these and instead fling insults, continue arguments etc. and their reply/topic/account gets deleted, that's on them.

[marksman]

l am still having trouble with what has been said
is it about name calling or the way people put up their perspectives (the way they said it)

if we can "discuss virtually anything here"
l do understand you say discuss and we all have to know full well that we may have something said that we dont agree with and we may get offended

if l understand you correctly we can have free speech but not hate speech
a quote from Jordan Peterson
"everyone is offended by something - if we ban things that are offensive, eventually we won't be able to talk at all, and we won't be able to think."

so if my opinion was
"we should not listen to the troubled 17 yo Swedish profit of doom for global policy leadership whose terrifying little kids and preaching panic"
that would be ok, right as long as l dont call her names eg... Gretazilla

l dont like the name calling or the inferring, alluding comments although l am guilty of it myself but that's why there are mods am l right

[Member-Deleted]

I believe having moderators is a must but I cant understand how long it takes them to react to a suspected trouble maker ie ''If'' and there ''was'' name calling on these locked threads then why did the threads get to 30-40 pages ?

I am ''EMBARRASSED'' to say I lowered myself to the level of a person on one of those posts and retaliated to their continual down grading of people that he didn't agree with. At that time I did mention that I may be removed from this forum for doing so but I didn't care as enough was enough .

I think the only way to get through to these people would be 3 strikes your out rather than shut debate down, it has to be 3 because people have to be able to tidy up unintended wrongs .

As far as Gretta's post goes I back everything I posted I stated it as I saw it , If that post was flagged then why wasn't a warning posted from the moderators stating that it would be closed if it wasn't tidied up , this would have saved them having to read the whole post from start to finish rather than shut it and penalise everybody .

It's starting to be too much too late , I understand that the moderators have a mammoth task but they would have known that when opening this forum, rather than ''shut'' this ''close'' that why not select the problem individual rather than punish everyone ,there can't be too many to deal with, you can start with me if you like for the outburst on the post that embarrassed me so there is my first voluntary warning ,but I have learnt from that embarrassment and there won't be a second

[Oldbloke]

Just guessing, but moderators may have been away over xmas and out of internet range. So not really checking.

[Member-Deleted]

Well Scomo had to come home OB

[Blackened]

l am still having trouble with what has been said
is it about name calling or the way people put up their perspectives (the way they said it)

...

so if my opinion was
"we should not listen to the troubled 17 yo Swedish profit of doom for global policy leadership whose terrifying little kids and preaching panic"
that would be ok, right as long as l dont call her names eg... Gretazilla

More or less. The point is, there are ways to express your opinion. Let's assume you're 17, I could say:

"I don't understand why people listen to Marksman, he's clearly inexperienced and hasn't shown any real credentials on this subject. I hope he fades from the limelight soon."

Or I could say:

"Marksman is a ****cking moron. I hope someone punches him in the face".

For reasons that escape me some people insist on using the later.

l dont like the name calling or the inferring, alluding comments although l am guilty of it myself but that's why there are mods am l right

To an extent. We're certainly not here to endlessly clean up after bickering children.

People need to act like adults, otherwise they should not participate. At the end of the day, no one is forced to be here. If people don't like the way this forum is run, they should seek another.

Along those same lines, every member has the ability to report a post they feel is inappropriate. If people don't use the tool that is provided to them to do this then they've got no right to complain when their concerns don't get actioned.

[Blackened]

I believe having moderators is a must but I cant understand how long it takes them to react to a suspected trouble maker ie ''If'' and there ''was'' name calling on these locked threads then why did the threads get to 30-40 pages ?

Again mate, used the report function.

This forum isn't small, and moderators have responsibilities outside of it, as you know.

To quote from that post:

Mods also aren't omnipotent and we can't be everywhere. There are over 180,000 posts on this forum, you shouldn't be shocked to learn I haven't read them all. The same goes for Aster and Monty.

Complaining nothing is being done in a topic we haven't seen obviously won't accomplish anything. If you feel something is inappropriate, use the functionality that is provided to you for that purpose to bring it to our attention. Every report comes direct to the mods and we will see it.

We can easily delete content and remove problem members, but only if we know there is an issue. If you've got the time/inclination to write a post complaining about it, you've got the time to report it instead. It takes 2 clicks.

Mods get notified of every report directly. Report a problem and it will usually get actioned within a few hours.

I think the only way to get through to these people would be 3 strikes your out rather than shut debate down, it has to be 3 because people have to be able to tidy up unintended wrongs .

This is also happening.

I understand that the moderators have a mammoth task but they would have known that when opening this forum, rather than ''shut'' this ''close'' that why not select the problem individual rather than punish everyone ,there can't be too many to deal with, you can start with me if you like for the outburst on the post that embarrassed me so there is my first voluntary warning ,but I have learnt from that embarrassment and there won't be a second

I believe I've addressed that here - viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13093#p221374

[Blackened]

Just guessing, but moderators may have been away over xmas and out of internet range. So not really checking.

As mentioned in the previous reply:

moderators have responsibilities outside of [the forum].

And again... all peoples problems could be easily solved with a click of the report button

[marksman]

l still dont get it you have to be kidding how can this tripe not be seen as offensive word games

"I don't understand why people listen to Marksman, he's clearly inexperienced and hasn't shown any real credentials on this subject. I hope he fades from the limelight soon."

WTF

[Blackened]

l still dont get it you have to be kidding how can this tripe not be seen as offensive word games

Mate, honestly, I think my explanation is pretty clear.

I'll leave the following as food for your thought instead. You said yourself:

if l understand you correctly we can have free speech but not hate speech
a quote from Jordan Peterson
"everyone is offended by something - if we ban things that are offensive, eventually we won't be able to talk at all, and we won't be able to think."

Is there something objectively inappropriate with my example? Or do you find it "offensive"?

If I, as an Australian with no political or governmental experience, started campaigning for President Of the United States, and someone said "Blackened is inexperienced and has no credentials, and I hope his campaigning fades from the media soon" would you consider that "tripe" or "offensive word games"? Or a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold and express?

I'm quite certain you would consider it the latter.

There is clearly a difference between "inexperienced and hasn't shown any real credentials" and "is a ****cking moron", yet the possibility exists for someone to be offended by the first statement.

You can have free speech with the possibility of disagreement and you personally interpreting something as offensive, or you can have every last iota of material someone could find offensive deleted. You can't have both, and you can't be happy for there to be dissent and disagreement except for if it's directed at you. Any discussion to the contrary of either of these points is futile.

At the end of the day, I obviously can't provide a complete list of every single possible phrase and scenario which is, or is not, acceptable. Mods can only action things as they deem appropriate for the forum, based on the individual circumstances.

That's the last I have to say on the matter. Anything else I'm afraid we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[marksman]

l'm very happy to agree to disagree with you Blackened

now that the rules are quite clear there will be some changes, but dont expect to be getting any reports of problems from me, its not me
l have a big bag of cement and a teaspoon