Tassie Police don’t fire warning shots - 1 dead

[TassieTiger]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02- ... fmredir=sm

This is very close to my house and witnessed by a friend. An unfortunate event for all. No warning shot was given, but I don’t know the factual circumstances.

[bladeracer]

Warning shot?
Nobody fires warning shots, that's only in movies.
If you can afford to take warning shots you are not in imminent fear for your life.

[straightshooter]

Did they at least yell 'taser, taser, taser' before shooting?
Long ago the practice was to fire a shot at the person then immediately fire a shot into the ground and then count to five and fire another shot into the ground.
So there, you have your two warning shots followed by the fatal shot when you were in fear of your life.

[CrackThump]

like the old adage says... never bring a knife to a gunfight.

[tom604]

set fire to the house,armed with a knife,tried to run the cops over,,,yeah it was always going to end well

[TassieTiger]

set fire to the house,armed with a knife,tried to run the cops over,,,yeah it was always going to end well

Unfortunately, there’s at least some media spin to this...
He had a falling out with missus and lost his sh%t, no doubt.
The cops arrived and parked in his driveway - at top of his driveway. They then got out and started walking towards him - he was in his car at bottom of driveway, and was attempting to leave, so he tried to drive around the police car, but the officers placed themselves in between car and fence, giving him no where to go, as he approached them, the officers elected to not move, instead - 2 x shooting him in the shoulder and head. He then opened the door, fell onto the driveway and died...

There are plenty of wads in the world that deserve it. But in my mind - There’s something wrong with this occurring with two young kids watching on...they would have already been distraught from earlier happenings. No right or wrong answer. Maybe a warning shot might have stunned this guy into submission- maybe not....

[wannabustbunnies]

With Bladeracer on this one. Warning shots are not something that happens normally. You aren't going to shoot a knife/gun/whatever it happens to be out of someone's hand or fire a warning shot. You neutralise the threat. Real life isn't Hollywood

[Bourt]

With Bladeracer on this one. Warning shots are not something that happens normally. You aren't going to shoot a knife/gun/whatever it happens to be out of someone's hand or fire a warning shot. You neutralise the threat. Real life isn't Hollywood

Or when someone says "just shoot them in the leg"

[wanneroo]

A car is a weapon so once he aimed it at the officers it was game on.

[Strangedog]

If the police say 'stop police', you need to obey. He didn't. I would also believe he would of seen their pistols drawn as he drove towards them.

[Sergeant Hartman]

I wonder if he was under the influence of meth or similar drugs at that time. If i was a person X and a car was coming at me without stopping i will be afraid for my life and in that case a vehicle could be classed as a weapon.

Also very likely in tasdie the guy was known to the cops, so they would have been prepared that he could be violent

[wanneroo]

I wonder if he was under the influence of meth or similar drugs at that time. If i was a person X and a car was coming at me without stopping i will be afraid for my life and in that case a vehicle could be classed as a weapon.

Also very likely in tasdie the guy was known to the cops, so they would have been prepared that he could be violent

The vast majority of encounters police have in these types of situations involve alcohol or drugs.

[snag]

Interesting discussion topic, but as anyone who has ever been trained in use of firearms in a law enforcement capacity will tell you, warning shots simply do not exist. Centre of mass only, after all other possibilities have been assessed, giving due consideration to the extant background of target.

[TassieTiger]

Also very likely in tasdie the guy was known to the cops, so they would have been prepared that he could be violent

Unfortunately This was a definitive. Family courts had determined he couldn’t see his kids (don’t know details so won’t comment further)....the family courts are an entire different subject, one that I’m familiar with myself, and one that sees many dads take their own lives and disgustingly, others as well. I’ll not open this door in this thread - especially in light of recent events in QLD. No words.

[Bruiser64]

These articles may be of interest. Although written in the USA context, the principles would be relevant.

https://www.npr.org/2017/03/28/52082666 ... a-comeback

https://www.itstactical.com/warcom/fire ... le-at-all/

[Sergeant Hartman]

Interesting articles bruiser.

[TassieTiger]

Very interesting article.
Thing for me is - most of have had too much to drink at times, done stupid s**t with cops/cops not present...it’s not inconceivable that any one of us (at least in early development years) could have found ourselves in a situation that was escalating faster than we could think - I darn well know a warning shot would smack me out of any stupor- but, cops are human and deserve to go home each night as well, so...

[rc42]

Police can't fire warning shots, their criteria for discharging their weapon is imminent threat to their life or somebody else with use of deadly force being the last and only resort.

In addition, they are generally terrible shots so would need to aim at center body mass and empty their magazine at close range to get one or two hits and it their target isn't killed they are just left to bleed out.

If somebody charges at cops with a weapon they will probably die, and in most cases they would deserve to.

[Maxjon]

Sounds like system fault! If it has anything to do with mothers law. When will it ever really be family law?

[SAnewby]

"There’s something wrong with this occurring with two young kids watching on...they would have already been distraught from earlier happenings"

**The police reaction was proportionate to the threat.
Who was there and their age is irrelevant.

Old mate put those kids in that position, not the police.

As for warning shots, that's the same as the people who expect the police to shoot offenders legs rather than shooting centre mass.

Absolutely absurd!!!

Bladeracer is correct, if you have time to fire a warning shot, you're not in an imminent threat situation which requires deadly force.

[duddley75]

Interesting discussion topic, but as anyone who has ever been trained in use of firearms in a law enforcement capacity will tell you, warning shots simply do not exist. Centre of mass only, after all other possibilities have been assessed, giving due consideration to the extant background of target.

Yep, this is what I was taught (NSW)

Stop the threat, centre mass every time.

You are responsible for every round fired. Imagine a warning shot fired into ground and shrapnel then hits someone else. Or same warning shot fired into air and takes someone out at the end of its flight.

[TassieTiger]

Yep, this is what I was taught (NSW)

Stop the threat, centre mass every time.

You are responsible for every round fired. Imagine a warning shot fired into ground and shrapnel then hits someone else. Or same warning shot fired into air and takes someone out at the end of its flight.[/quote]

Imagine a ricochet from a bone or something behind the soft flesh target...

[duddley75]

Yep, this is what I was taught (NSW)


Imagine a ricochet from a bone or something behind the soft flesh target...

Do you mean passing the target and hitting something behind?

Don't forget most law enforcement are using hollow points.

[TassieTiger]

The likelihood of a warning shot doing damage - either air launched or ground focussed - wouldn’t really be very high in the location where this occurred, probably less likely than a pass through or ricochet. Hollow points still carry massive energy from close range - if you want to surprise yourself, shoot a 1/4 inch pine board and place another behind it...fragments of the HP will scatter into the second board.