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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 12:31 pm

Rather apt that bill has his avatar on here as a wolf in sheep's clothing, perhaps that is telling of his real nature on the forum? After all not the first time I've seen him throw fellow enthusiasts under the bus.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 12:43 pm

flutch wrote:Rather apt that bill has his avatar on here as a wolf in sheep's clothing, perhaps that is telling of his real nature on the forum? After all not the first time I've seen him throw fellow enthusiasts under the bus.


He might be an operative from the greens or gun control Australia. :D I respect every persons beliefs and their right to express them but I do shake my head sometimes how crazy they might be. I hate pink shirts but if a bloke wants to wear a pink shirt good on him. How he spends his money is none of my business and mine his.

The more public awareness we get out about lawful firearm use the better. Threatening people with a toy gun is just as illegal as a using a real firearm. So laws do exist for misuse already. Anyone who knows anything about firearms can tell these are toys just by looking at them. Peoples ignorance on firearm knowledge does not negate ones right to a lawful activity.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 12:57 pm

Bill mate, I'm not the Fudd here, and clearly you chose the avatar, in any case I stand firm on my attitude towards people who have opinions like you expressed, the entire reason the anti community has any power is capitulation and you just demonstrated a perfect example of it.
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Post by Bill » 02 Mar 2020, 1:01 pm

Capitulation LOL we don't have GB in NSW and the last thing we need is a flood of permanent eye injuries. Unintended consequences of poor parenting mate.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 1:51 pm

Bill wrote:Capitulation LOL we don't have GB in NSW and the last thing we need is a flood of permanent eye injuries. Unintended consequences of poor parenting mate.


Right so you admit the gel blaster and Airsoft guns aren't to blame then?

Honestly you remind me of my mates mum, scared of everything, would fit in wonderfully at a socialist convention asking the world to legislate against every s**ty parent and life choice,

Get a grip mate, if you're too thick to understand that objects flying through the air best be kept from eyeballs there's no point to your existence, by that logic using a dinner fork is a wreckless and heedless activity.

If parents are so lobotomized by the nanny state that they can't read warning labels or buy some $5 goggles off eBay that's hardly everyone else's problem. For the rest of the world where Airsoft is legal issues like you cite aren't an issue, because people aren't left walking about their lives as blatantly ignorant of common sense.. s**t I mean if Kiwis can handle Airsoft that says something (taking the piss obviously). My friends and I all had BB guns from the markets when we were kids (Airsoft pistols) and we had 0 dramas.

I think you're trying to validate your Fudd attitude but all I'm seeing is more reasons to call you out for it
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 1:56 pm

Quite(Or maybe. MAYBE!!!!! They might get a lot of people to play with them and realise this is a fun pastime lets maybe move onto real firearms now. And more lawful people getting into firearms is a good thing.


Or MAYBE they will be misused, take some eyes out, put more and more scrutiny on low powered cat A’s that then get removed or reclassified. Maybe is a big word. Thinking paintball markers...
Fuk me it hurts to side with Bill :drinks: but, I think he has a point...

These would have been awesome back in the day, but in this generation, an Evermore and increasingly litigious society ? With dick wads on Social media? Trigger happy cops who are scared as it is?

I don’t see the benefits either - I used to love fireworks and shooting : shot with cotton buds, with the ole daisy but it was silly and an eye out is forever - mandatory glasses but...today? Not sure.
Some of the air soft guns I’ve seen wouldn’t pass the replica laws regardless, and some academy cop could easily glance and fire - fearing got their safety...yeah, not 100% sure on this one.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 2:41 pm

TassieTiger wrote:So your kid is working his shift at subway and some knob prick - who otherwise, wouldn’t have access - walks in to rob the joint and your kid loses an eye in the process, you think that’s the kids or parents fault ?



One could rob a subway and take someones eye out with nearly anything. A toy should not be banned because someone might do something. If my hypothetical kid was allowed concealed carry and we had self defence laws he could defend himself and not be left defenceless.

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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 3:13 pm

I guess they can tickle a bit...
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 3:28 pm

TassieTiger wrote:I guess they can tickle a bit...
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We use to shoot each other with slugs. Kids do silly things. Its all just a bit of fun.
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 3:31 pm

With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 3:39 pm

TassieTiger wrote:With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.



If it was up to me I would draw the line with laws like Texas. Where people have freedoms do do what they wish so long as they don't harm others. That is a freedom and personal liberty. People need to be and act responsible. Responsible use of firearms should be something they teach kids at school. Teach kids about firearm safety and health and even about how the finance system works. People seem to be laking basic life skills. They can use computers and advanced programs but cant cut down a tree and skin a fish?
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 3:52 pm

We would all love the laws to be applicable to how we envision society “should” work, just like the old days for me, but its delusional to think it’s a possibility - the litigious society we now live in, simply prevents it by removing responsibility snd common sense...spending time in several primary and local high schools, I’m just amazed...as to lack of common sense...I’m for let Darwin sort em out / helmets off bikes, seat belts for choice, etc - but this generation...fark me - they’d be all gone in 10 years if you applied 1960’s 70’s living arrangements...
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by bladeracer » 02 Mar 2020, 3:53 pm

StraightWhiteMale wrote:
We use to shoot each other with slugs. Kids do silly things. Its all just a bit of fun.


I survived lots of nail gun fights at work without any permanent injuries :-)
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 4:21 pm

TassieTiger wrote:
We would all love the laws to be applicable to how we envision society “should” work, just like the old days for me, but its delusional to think it’s a possibility - the litigious society we now live in, simply prevents it by removing responsibility snd common sense...spending time in several primary and local high schools, I’m just amazed...as to lack of common sense...I’m for let Darwin sort em out / helmets off bikes, seat belts for choice, etc - but this generation...fark me - they’d be all gone in 10 years if you applied 1960’s 70’s living arrangements...


I'm only 30 but I am assuming you are a bit older so you have had it better than I have mate. Things were better when the world peaked in the 60s/70s. My mums dad lived through WW2 and the great depression. He is German and spent a few years in the army. I could not even imagine what it was like on the eastern front for him. Yet people my age and younger in this country have experienced zero hardship. We have all the food we need, all the shelter we need, all the medicine we need. Everything in mass. My dad is Croatian and we went over there a few years ago and eveyone in the village is just happy to have food to eat and a place to sleep. The basics in life not all the excess. The biggest so called hardship I had to face today was their was no mushrooms pies at the bakery.


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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 4:47 pm

Better than you? Not sure - but I’m definitely older, approaching 50 faster than I like...mid 40’s, but I generally agree with your sentiments, this generation do not have a clue - but it’s not exactly their fault....they have been set up to fail by the “system”.

As per your verse - Show me a great man, who is the son of a great man....
sons who are born into a very successful family, generally don’t make it due to their upbringing... and except of course Buddha. But he had to sit under a tree for an awful long time...and let’s be honest, if the kids had airsoft - Buddha would have been fair game and things would have turned out a little different :drinks: :sarcasm:
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Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 5:11 pm

TassieTiger wrote:Better than you? Not sure - but I’m definitely older, approaching 50 faster than I like...mid 40’s, but I generally agree with your sentiments, this generation do not have a clue - but it’s not exactly their fault....they have been set up to fail by the “system”.

As per your verse - Show me a great man, who is the son of a great man....
sons who are born into a very successful family, generally don’t make it due to their upbringing... and except of course Buddha. But he had to sit under a tree for an awful long time...and let’s be honest, if the kids had airsoft - Buddha would have been fair game and things would have turned out a little different :drinks: :sarcasm:




Better being you lived through better times than I have. Better guns in your day. Better cars, better cost of living as a percentage to your income. Just a more simpler time to be alive.

You know on average by the third generation a wealthy family has lost over 70% of its wealth. Because the old family patriarch that sacrificed, did the hard work and often grew up poor himself has passed on and each generation lost the “urge” that the old grandfather had because they have had life to easy.
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Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 8:07 pm

TassieTiger wrote:So your kid is working his shift at subway and some knob prick - who otherwise, wouldn’t have access - walks in to rob the joint and your kid loses an eye in the process, you think that’s the kids or parents fault ?



Yeah sure because that happens all day long, and if you ask me, it is "A" parents fault for sure, and given the stats I would say it was some single mothers fault. Also the sheer likelihood they would "lose" an eye is 1 in however many other 1" square voids exist within reach of the muzzle... Boiled down your fear is irrational.

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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 8:22 pm

TassieTiger wrote:With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.


With the same line of thought, maybe we should have dirt bikes, go karts, dirt buggies, mountain and road and bmx bikes, skateboards, roller blades/skates, football matches, soccer matches, basketball matches, running, skipping ropes, beehives, power tools, nail guns, horses, pony's, pets, etc etc all on a license, that way no one will ever get hurt again


Baffles me that someone will complain about a few skin/soft tissue injuries all the while people from their childhood to adulthood are permanently injured by "safe sports". All you blokes are demonstrating is how controlled and indoctrinated you are that big brother is keeping you safe from the big bad world.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 8:56 pm

I’ve given you a possible scenario/s - that would possibly lead to tighter gun controls, the bigger picture if you will that would impact all of us - as Bill eluded, we should pick our battles, and potentially giving greenies ammo to use against licence shooters via a dangerous toy? Yeah - doesn’t add up.
Comparing a firearm to a dirt bike is ridiculous- screw it, with your stance, why have any licensing at all then? Anarchy sounds great in theory too.

But regardless, what is really fascinating to me at least, is your complete over reaction to anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with you - it’s quite amazing the tangents you go to yo try and sway your argument...bill has disagreed and put his opinion forward and your straight out there abusing him and calling him Fudd, etc and now I’m apparently controlled and indoctrinated lol - all because your 100% right,100% of time...all hail the omniscient.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 9:40 pm

But the toy is perfectly safe, used as intended, just because Jo bloggs is stupid enough to look down the barrel doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed it, the attitude that you can legislate stupidity is just painful to read
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Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 9:59 pm

Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

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Post by FabianAU » 02 Mar 2020, 10:37 pm

StraightWhiteMale wrote:Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

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Post by StraightWhiteMale » 02 Mar 2020, 11:02 pm

Texas freedom just makes sense mate. I think of Texas as the beacon of world liberty and an example of how the rest of the world should model themself. Everyone lives their life and does what they want so long as they do not cause harm to others. Whats to hate about that? Yes evil people exist and you will always have crime but that does not mean you should ban everything because of the evil acts of others. Nobody walks into a NRA meeting to shoot up the place because they will be eliminated in 2 seconds. Nearly all of the gun crime you hear about happens in gun free zones because it is illegal to have firearms there, and as we know criminals don't follow the law and they know people are defenceless in a gunfree zone.


That makes no sense mate? It seems like NSW police are harrasing the public and making up their own rules. The court IE 12 men and women of the jury found old mate not guilty. The more people take this to court then some case law can get established and you can sue NSW police for unlawful targeted harassment.

And what is a military style firearm? Stupid made up terms. Muskets can be military style firearms!!!!!
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Post by TassieTiger » 02 Mar 2020, 11:19 pm

If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.
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Post by flutch » 02 Mar 2020, 11:32 pm

TassieTiger wrote:If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.


The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else
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Post by FabianAU » 02 Mar 2020, 11:54 pm

Yea its kinda sad not being able to participate in airsoft/gelblaster skirmishes for s**ts n giggles, being one of those rare people that cant find much enjoyment elsewhere, and grew up with video games and the internet, with a keen eye for firearms and their ingenuity.
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Post by TassieTiger » 03 Mar 2020, 12:26 am

The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else


Soap box queen is at it again... “ rights not fought for...are. Non existent rights” “live on your knees, you scared and conditioned“ blah blah blah....go on son, kick a goal now. Lol.
“The truth is” ? - nope. Sorry.. it’s just your lowly opinion - it’s not the truth, not even close, but keep going cause your entertaining the crap out of me.
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Post by flutch » 03 Mar 2020, 2:49 am

In that case Tassie your rifles and shotguns must be Treacherously evil and despicably corrupt and murderous beyond all comprehension, I mean if a pellet gun firing plastic less than, less than less, than less than less than less than lethal rounds is dangerous, your firearms shooting bullets travelling at supersonic velocities designed to kill must be worse than a nuclear meltdown for all those within 100km of your house.

Seriously, Airsoft is perfectly safe... You didn't just cite anything to the contrary of that, all you managed to show was how wreckless and idiotic people have become. The Airsoft toys and their components are perfectly safe just as are your firearms.

Now again, penalizing the many for the sins of a few is beyond FUDDery. It's socialism 101, really it is, let's control literally every aspect of human life... Please give me a fkn break, you have 0 concept of freedoms and liberties and sovereignty
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Post by trekin » 03 Mar 2020, 5:34 am

TassieTiger wrote:With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.

Both gelbasters and airsoft function the same, that is they both use the same method to discharge their respective projectiles. However parts are not interchangable. Projectile size is not the same I.E. you can not use airsolt pellets in a GB.
Ballistically, the differences are like cheese and chalk. 350 - 400 fps is pushing the max for gel, whereas some airsolt are now pushing over 600 fps. At 360 fps over 50% of gels fired from a gelbaster exit the barrel as water vapour. A gel pellet is larger, but lighter than an airsoft pellet, therefore does not travel as far, nor impart as much energy on impact. Gel pellets are 100% frangible on impact and can not penetrate the skin, even right in front of the muzzle. Yes, one or two kids have been shot close to there eye, but no one has lost an eye. All GB's sold in QLD come with safety glasses in the box.
Some one earlier stated that we need to pick our fights, well for us QLDer's this is the line in the sand. Gelbasters are toys, they have been catagorised as toys by the Courts in QLD. The gelbaster community up here is pretty much self regulated to ensure the safety of both users and the public. QLD already has a law against going armed in public (been of the books since we broke away from NSW and formed our own State, as well as laws against robbery, armed or otherwise.
Speacking as a father, whose eldest daughter who had invovled in atleast four armed holdups in as many years, at her place of work, I would much rather her loose an eye, than loose her life.
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Re: Bye bye gel blasters

Post by Bill » 03 Mar 2020, 6:14 am

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....
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