QLD petition - Stop the regulation of Gel Blaster Toys

[TassieTiger]

I’ve given you a possible scenario/s - that would possibly lead to tighter gun controls, the bigger picture if you will that would impact all of us - as Bill eluded, we should pick our battles, and potentially giving greenies ammo to use against licence shooters via a dangerous toy? Yeah - doesn’t add up.
Comparing a firearm to a dirt bike is ridiculous- screw it, with your stance, why have any licensing at all then? Anarchy sounds great in theory too.

But regardless, what is really fascinating to me at least, is your complete over reaction to anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with you - it’s quite amazing the tangents you go to yo try and sway your argument...bill has disagreed and put his opinion forward and your straight out there abusing him and calling him Fudd, etc and now I’m apparently controlled and indoctrinated lol - all because your 100% right,100% of time...all hail the omniscient.

[flutch]

But the toy is perfectly safe, used as intended, just because Jo bloggs is stupid enough to look down the barrel doesn't mean I shouldn't be allowed it, the attitude that you can legislate stupidity is just painful to read

[StraightWhiteMale]

Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HCIcH ... e=youtu.be

[FabianAU]

Come on lads we should be able to disagree whilst still being civil. A firearm is just a tool like a butter knife or a drill. People tend to freak out because they have not had exposure to them. Thats their problem for being scared of an inanimate object not ours. Every house I saw in Croatia was strapped with handguns and automatic weapons. Yet people over here are freaking out about a kids toy. Makes no sense how people can be afraid of inanimate objects.

Watch this podcast guys. NSW government got pumped in court just recently buy a court case about gel blasters. Maybe they will be legal down there soon. There was nothing in the legislation to make them illegal. Get heaps of kids playing with these than when they grow up they will be interested in firearms and become lawful owners and hopefully we can get closer to pre 1996 laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6HCIcH ... e=youtu.be

Mate i agree with everything you've said in this thread, would love some Texas freedom. Also NSWPOL website released this...
Gel Blasters - Update
Update relating to the definition of Gel Ball Blasters in NSW: https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... ts_New.pdf

[StraightWhiteMale]

Texas freedom just makes sense mate. I think of Texas as the beacon of world liberty and an example of how the rest of the world should model themself. Everyone lives their life and does what they want so long as they do not cause harm to others. Whats to hate about that? Yes evil people exist and you will always have crime but that does not mean you should ban everything because of the evil acts of others. Nobody walks into a NRA meeting to shoot up the place because they will be eliminated in 2 seconds. Nearly all of the gun crime you hear about happens in gun free zones because it is illegal to have firearms there, and as we know criminals don't follow the law and they know people are defenceless in a gunfree zone.


That makes no sense mate? It seems like NSW police are harrasing the public and making up their own rules. The court IE 12 men and women of the jury found old mate not guilty. The more people take this to court then some case law can get established and you can sue NSW police for unlawful targeted harassment.

And what is a military style firearm? Stupid made up terms. Muskets can be military style firearms!!!!!

[TassieTiger]

If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.

[flutch]

If they could be introduced without any possibility of having a detrimental affect on existing laws - I’m all for it, BUT - just as Howard used port Arthur to establish communistic gun laws in this country, what makes anyone think they couldn’t / wouldn’t do similar in the future - from something as ridiculous as some teen age idiots shooting up (insert what ever) with legalised air soft guns...why even take the risk.

The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else

[FabianAU]

Yea its kinda sad not being able to participate in airsoft/gelblaster skirmishes for s**ts n giggles, being one of those rare people that cant find much enjoyment elsewhere, and grew up with video games and the internet, with a keen eye for firearms and their ingenuity.

[TassieTiger]

The do nothing take nothing back, stand for nothing attitude is all the license they need to keep taking liberties away. Rights not exercised and fought for are non existent.

Truth is Airsoft is safe, and is worldwide, only in the imaginings and minds of the scared and conditioned do they pose a threat, and if an individual breaks laws or caused harm, that individual should've held accountable no one else

Soap box queen is at it again... “ rights not fought for...are. Non existent rights” “live on your knees, you scared and conditioned“ blah blah blah....go on son, kick a goal now. Lol.
“The truth is” ? - nope. Sorry.. it’s just your lowly opinion - it’s not the truth, not even close, but keep going cause your entertaining the crap out of me.

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[flutch]

In that case Tassie your rifles and shotguns must be Treacherously evil and despicably corrupt and murderous beyond all comprehension, I mean if a pellet gun firing plastic less than, less than less, than less than less than less than lethal rounds is dangerous, your firearms shooting bullets travelling at supersonic velocities designed to kill must be worse than a nuclear meltdown for all those within 100km of your house.

Seriously, Airsoft is perfectly safe... You didn't just cite anything to the contrary of that, all you managed to show was how wreckless and idiotic people have become. The Airsoft toys and their components are perfectly safe just as are your firearms.

Now again, penalizing the many for the sins of a few is beyond FUDDery. It's socialism 101, really it is, let's control literally every aspect of human life... Please give me a fkn break, you have 0 concept of freedoms and liberties and sovereignty

[trekin]

With the same Line of thought - why not have air rifles available outside of licensing ? If these things can really shoot 350-400fps, there half way there anyway...where is the line I guess ? Are they toys if they can imbed their projectiles under the skin ? How do they actually function - can they be improved upon like paint ball markers to pass that “line”? By the way, I was shot in the side of the mouth once with a paint ball (2 years ago now) - the guy who shot me accidentally, said my knuckle hurt more than a ball, but I don’t know, both hurt me.

Both gelbasters and airsoft function the same, that is they both use the same method to discharge their respective projectiles. However parts are not interchangable. Projectile size is not the same I.E. you can not use airsolt pellets in a GB.
Ballistically, the differences are like cheese and chalk. 350 - 400 fps is pushing the max for gel, whereas some airsolt are now pushing over 600 fps. At 360 fps over 50% of gels fired from a gelbaster exit the barrel as water vapour. A gel pellet is larger, but lighter than an airsoft pellet, therefore does not travel as far, nor impart as much energy on impact. Gel pellets are 100% frangible on impact and can not penetrate the skin, even right in front of the muzzle. Yes, one or two kids have been shot close to there eye, but no one has lost an eye. All GB's sold in QLD come with safety glasses in the box.
Some one earlier stated that we need to pick our fights, well for us QLDer's this is the line in the sand. Gelbasters are toys, they have been catagorised as toys by the Courts in QLD. The gelbaster community up here is pretty much self regulated to ensure the safety of both users and the public. QLD already has a law against going armed in public (been of the books since we broke away from NSW and formed our own State, as well as laws against robbery, armed or otherwise.
Speacking as a father, whose eldest daughter who had invovled in atleast four armed holdups in as many years, at her place of work, I would much rather her loose an eye, than loose her life.

[Bill]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

[trekin]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

Who cares what we did, why do we 'NEED' a toy, aren't toys just for fun, you don't 'NEED a toy you just want. Gelbasters came along, were declared a toy by the courts because the judges could see that, ballistially, they can not cause harm to a person, now the Gov't want to wrap them up in regulations. Probably just a QLDer thing, you know, wanting to keep some of our rights/freedoms and so forth.
Anyways, not out to convince you or any one else with a closed mind, Taz at least asked some relievent questions showing some open mindness on the subject.

[Strangedog]

Nope still not convinced we need em

What did Qlders do before GB were available.....

Such an infuriating comment, especially from a gun owner. Give up your guns then, you don't need em, while your at it, your fishing gear, your motorbike, your alcohol. What a great society that would be where you can only have stuff you need.

[TassieTiger]

I’m going to bow out of this convo - thanks for clarifying Trek.
As I’ve said, despite the safety side, my main concern from my POV would be to give the antis ammunition for tighter control - the irony is not lost on me re this situation.
Cheers. TT.

[trekin]

Such an infuriating comment, especially from a gun owner. Give up your guns then, you don't need em, while your at it, your fishing gear, your motorbike, your alcohol. What a great society that would be where you can only have stuff you need.

Mate, say no more to him. He's just picking arguements to get this important thread shut down.

[trekin]

I’m going to bow out of this convo - thanks for clarifying Trek.
As I’ve said, despite the safety side, my main concern from my POV would be to give the antis ammunition for tighter control - the irony is not lost on me re this situation.
Cheers. TT.

All good mate, if you have any more questions/concerns, just ask, even if by PM if you want to bow out of this thread.

[Bill]

penalize and restrict ?? its a toy mate, I'm interested in public hunting lands and real firearms and Ill happily advocate for those thing, your missing the bigger picture.

[RoginaJack]

SWM - a little bit of pellet - What a load of rubbish!

[flutch]

Exactly SWM,

And as for the imagine getting told segment, it's almost like living in Australia or being on this forum lol....

But seriously can't agree more, anyone telling me I don't need something, especially if it's a recreational item/activity, is instantly an asshole, next thing we will have people advocating that you don't need cutlery because you have teeth... After all plenty get stabbed each year

[StraightWhiteMale]

SWM - a little bit of pellet - What a load of rubbish!

Mate they are even reffered to as pellet guns. They are not 338 lapua. They hurt when you get hit by them sure. But so does a fist to the nose.

[StraightWhiteMale]

I like to listen to all peoples opinions even if I don't agree with them so I can understand their reasoning.
How people spend their money is none of my business. You want to buy crack than go have fun enjoy, you want a toasted cheese and salami sandwhich enjoy, you want a 50BMG full auto enjoy.

Just because something is available does not mean one SHOULD do it but that is their moral choice and they will have to answer to god oneday. In the meantime people should stop being prideful in trying to control other peoples lifes. As long as someone is not harming you than what they do is of no bother.

[RoginaJack]

SWM - Not a 338 Lap; who said they were.

How about a AirForce Airguns - World's Most Powerful Production Air Rifle - Texan . 457 Caliber. With the ability to launch . 45 caliber projectiles at over 1000 feet per second and generating energy levels of over 500 foot pounds the Texan takes its place as the world's most powerful production air rifle.

[StraightWhiteMale]

SWM - Not a 338 Lap; who said they were. How about a good kick up the bum.?

Well force equals mass times acceleration so depends on the variables.

[Farmerpete]

Bill thanks for starting an argument to keep this in the active list so everyone got to see it
As an explanation gel blasters are legal in QLD because they are NOT considered a firearm the antis are trying to toughen our firearm laws again for no reason.
Regardless of how you feel about gel blasters that alone should be reason enough to fight.
Unless of course your for more restrictive firearm laws which makes me question why you're a member of this forum

[flutch]

∆∆ this

[Bill]

haha farmerpete Im glad you enjoyed the little kick along, I just find the shooting brigade still needs more Political representation and when we get it... we have little political capital to actually use. And yes regardless how I feel about GB I found those arguing for them not that convincing, in fact Flutch and co had very shallow arguments as displayed by resorting to cheap insinuations and name calling. If a fellow shooter cant be convince that GB are a safe addition to the community then what hope have they of convincing the wider public into keeping them long term or expanding their use into other states.

Give it ya best crack flutch

[Sergeant Hartman]

Going back to Texas, change your skin color to.... black or brown and go enjoy your free life in Texas. But here are a few things that You cannot do in the land of the free and ZZ Top.
1. You cannot brew your own beer.
2. You are young SWM, but be careful if a girl latches onto you in Texas and proclaims that you both are husband and wife 3 times... you are legally married. What i mean is Make sure you get your vasectomy before you go to Texas.
3. While inside an elevator hold your farts...or jail you go. So no elevators after tex-mex beans
4. In some cities you need to get a permit to walk bare foot.
5. And if you are into broke back mounting, you could goto jail as well.

meaning it's not a free country after all of you are black or homosexual or want to brew beer but you probably could marry your sister well cousin atleast.

[Blackened]

So, a bunch of repetitive argumentative posts have been deleted.

Honestly... it's a bit mind boggling to get posts saying "well, I'm obviously not going to convince you" followed by half a dozen more jabs at the person.

Have your say, voice your opinion, if people don't agree with you get over it.

If you've got nothing fresh to add, move onto another topic.

Warnings will be issued for any posts continuing the deleted arguments.

[Farmerpete]

Bill their argument was a simple one and it's the same as mine:
Gel blasters are TOYS not firearms and should not be regulated as firearms
Your argument as far as I can make out is :
If I can hurt myself with it intentionally it should be regulated so I can't hurt myself
That to me indicates a Nanny state agenda
Also just to add if you want more political clout for firearms users you need to promote feeder sports (thing kids can do that promote the safe use of firearms) gel blasters and air soft do this
The antis know this and it's why they are trying desperately to keep them banned

Would also like to thank the mods for finding a better title