NSW Police Minister. Prohibited weapons.

[No1_49er]

I think coppers are exempt from having to hold a license when using firearms at work, just like the military.

That may be true but the Minister is NOT a copper. He has to comply like the rest of us. As a civilian, he is using a PROHIBITED firearm

[TassieTiger]

Yes, but he’s first and foremost a politician- and we are too weak to really do anything about our pollies - ifbit weren’t for media / other factions, our puppet masters could run rampant - this guy will already have his ducks in a row - regardless of legality...

[K2bonsai]

I think coppers are exempt from having to hold a license when using firearms at work, just like the military.

You would correct.

[MJW380]

The uniformed coppa looks like he’s laughing, maybe that’s why?

[StraightWhiteMale]

The uniformed coppa looks like he’s laughing, maybe that’s why?

Or maybe the cop is a one nation voter and is thinking smile for the camera you mother fu****

[pomemax]

SSAA Sydney
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To all those defending David Elliot MP for his apparent illegal use of firearms, take a step back and consider what this actually means.

Mr Elliot is responsible for overseeing and presiding over legislation and regulation like appearance laws, gel blaster and replica firearms laws as well as all the other overbearing regulation that licensed, law abiding firearms owners HAVE to follow and comply with.

Just because he is now the Police Minister, doesn't mean he is immune from following the law or prosecution, in fact, it could be argued that he should know better, and we all know that ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law.

If Mr Elliot is found to have broken the law, then he should be charged! This will only highlight further, the ridiculous of our overbearing firearms laws in NSW. Don't let this be swept under the carpet, we need to ensure that Mr Elliot is accountable for his actions and is treated exactly the same as you or I would be in this circumstance. There should be NO special treatment and NO double standard!

On the flip side, this could well be a great platform to lobby for some commonsense changes to our overbearing laws and regulations. Perhaps the next Police Minister may like to schedule a meeting with us so that we can recommend some changes to our firearms laws for consideration.

James Walsh
President

[GojiraSteve]

SSAA Sydney really seems to be taking a no-quarter approach to this stuff huh? As someone who got into the sport right in the heels of 1996 (didn't come from a hunting family, but turned 18 in '97), I gotta say it's refreshing to see. While I've only known a world where civilian firearms ownership has been hanging by a thread in this country, it's been really apparent that firearms legislation ebbs and flows in a lot of places, but never seems to here. Ie; registration being mooted and defeated in both Canada and NZ, the Clinton Assault Weapons ban (USA) being implemented in the 90's then repealed because it couldn't justify its existence, meanwhile it's all been downhill for us with the peak body (National SSAA) taking on a policy of incremental "wins" while trying to fly under the radar. Good on em I say. 25 years of cajoling has seen duck hunting banned, category lines blurred, appearance bans implemented year on year etc etc etc, and realistically all we got was state forest hunting 15 years ago, in exchange for the power grid being sold off. About time we saw a different approach.

[StraightWhiteMale]

SSAA Sydney really seems to be taking a no-quarter approach to this stuff huh? As someone who got into the sport right in the heels of 1996 (didn't come from a hunting family, but turned 18 in '97), I gotta say it's refreshing to see. While I've only known a world where civilian firearms ownership has been hanging by a thread in this country, it's been really apparent that firearms legislation ebbs and flows in a lot of places, but never seems to here. Ie; registration being mooted and defeated in both Canada and NZ, the Clinton Assault Weapons ban (USA) being implemented in the 90's then repealed because it couldn't justify its existence, meanwhile it's all been downhill for us with the peak body (National SSAA) taking on a policy of incremental "wins" while trying to fly under the radar. Good on em I say. 25 years of cajoling has seen duck hunting banned, category lines blurred, appearance bans implemented year on year etc etc etc, and realistically all we got was state forest hunting 15 years ago, in exchange for the power grid being sold off. About time we saw a different approach.

I'm fairly certain the assault weapons ban of 1994 had a 10 year limit on it. So the bill was not repealed in 2004 it expired.

[Oldbloke]

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/adm ... 548hm.html

[TassieTiger]

Oh s**t OB - this guys a deadset Cnut!

I didn’t know he was previously investigated for impersonating a cop -
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/pol ... 53ah9.html

Why would a corrections facility have their own range WITH full auto weapons anyway...surely, anything that required that amount of force would be reserved for top echelon police squads.?

[StraightWhiteMale]

Oh s**t OB - this guys a deadset Cnut!

I didn’t know he was previously investigated for impersonating a cop -
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/pol ... 53ah9.html

Why would a corrections facility have their own range WITH full auto weapons anyway...surely, anything that required that amount of force would be reserved for top echelon police squads.?

Rules for thee and not for me, rather typical in society. This is why the Americans have their gun rights and a big gun culture. As a final check and balance to protect the citizen against the government.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Taking about America and Trump specifically very interesting how he had not told the truth about cronavirus to American public....

Telling people that the vaccine is almost ready
Or saying in jan 21, there wad only one case of virus in usa.

Esp now that hes come in contact twice with people who were infected with the virus.

[Oldbloke]

Why would a corrections facility have their own range WITH full auto weapons anyway...surely, anything that required that amount of force would be reserved for top echelon police squads.?

Been wondering about that myself. They seem to like an edge.

[sungazer]

The Americans keep going on about their right to have guns. In reality it can be a very different story. Of course it varies by state but there are a lot of instances where they have had them removed. They have gun free zones. When Hurricane Katrina happened they were not allowed to carry or buy guns. There are heaps of instances the general 2nd amendment person like to overlook all those instances.

[Sergeant Hartman]

Shh sungazer... let them live in fantasy lands that USA is actually land of the free

[No1_49er]

sungazer. The truth is that the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution guarantees the Right to Keep and Bare Arms. Note the carefully selected word, 'Arms'.
Not this type or that type of "firearm", but ARMS.
And, in case you are wondering, the Founding Fathers foresaw a possible need whereby (we, the) People had the necessary means to repel a repressive Government.
Further, the elected officials who are supposed to work as employees of those who put them in office, frequently (too frequently) pass into Law (?) endless curtailments on the Constitutional Right, more often than not by the use of weasel words/poly-speak.
In those cases, each and every one of them has broken their pledge to uphold that Constitution, in its entirety, not just the pieces they like, for which THEY should be Recalled or Impeached!
DemocRATS, no doubt.

[StraightWhiteMale]

The Americans keep going on about their right to have guns. In reality it can be a very different story. Of course it varies by state but there are a lot of instances where they have had them removed. They have gun free zones. When Hurricane Katrina happened they were not allowed to carry or buy guns. There are heaps of instances the general 2nd amendment person like to overlook all those instances.

The stealing of guns in new orleans was ruled unconstitutional. Granted it was after the fact but still. They were within their rights to not comply and defend their property from unlawful searches and seizes

Thats why the FBI burnt down the waco compound to hide the evidence that the ATF shot first at the davidians. The davidians were well within their rights to kill the ATF agents in self defence because the ATF literally drove onto their private land and started shooting at them.

There has been so many cases in America of cops getting the wrong address and kicking down the wrong door to issue a warrent and the people inside kill the cops in self defence and they get let off because they have the right to self defence in their home,EVEN FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

If you killed a cop in Australia in self defence it would be the end of your life.

[StraightWhiteMale]

Shh sungazer... let them live in fantasy lands that USA is actually land of the free

Well they kind of are mate. We have no freedom of speech in Australia. We don't even have the right to defend our property from an intruder. Australians are subjects not citizens with zero rights. The USA is the only country in the world that the citizens have a written contract wth the government that dictates how the citizens will allow the government to govern. And the 2nd amendment is their get out of jail free card if the government breaks the contract.

See the cops in the uk who went to old mates house about his online comments and they said “what you posted was not illegal but we want to check your thinking as a non crime hate incident”.

https://www.twitter.com/spikedonline/st ... 5083103232

[Sergeant Hartman]

Hmm is that why people like Chelsea manning, Julian Assange, Snowden etc came out with the stories that basically said

The us government was wiretapping their own citizens inside the country without any court order

Stuff like rendition, where people which included American citizens could basically be kidnapped from the middle of the street, chucked on a plane and moved to a 3rd country and held against their will and torchered without any court of law giving permission.

You yourself have picked up a few examples. But there are plenty of cases where normal citizens have become the centre of criminal investigations by the IRA, DEA etc.

Or as discussed above, where many states just "rewrite the constitution" by passing laws that actually take these rights away.

Yes the constitution gives rights but it seems most of them are easily taken away in complete sight by elected lawmakers, or by deception by the government agencies including CIA/FBI/Homeland etc.

In Australia, the premise is there aren't any rights. But you get a lot of things to keep you happy, like universal and free healthcare, free school education for kids, reasonably good standard of living and reasonable stable environment with very high wages, and ofcourse a bit of social security...aka dole/pension. And finally jobs lots and lots of government jobs