Canada bans semi-autos

[Southpaw]

I feel for Canadian shooters right now, about to go what we went through in 96, and NZ last year.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudea ... -1.5552131

[Ziege]

My 2c is that they are completely retarded if they do anything except non compliance with this socialist/fascist left wing bulls**t.

[Ziege]

Anyone that thinks this s**t is spontaneous is an idiot. It's abundantly clear that there has been a progression of Commonwealth nations being disarmed via what I am now convinced are black flag attack, the Bryant s**t doesn't add up once you start digging, Tarrant s**t doesn't stack up, and now I bet you any money that this Canadian event doesn't stack up neatly either. People have to stope being so f***ing gullible and tell these assholes at the top that we aren't gonna play anymore, we know what their game is

[wanneroo]

Oh they had all of these rules already queued up ready to go. Despite the fact that this crime that happened in Nova Scotia would have still happened regardless of these rules.

And also what is this order in council BS where Trudeau can just make this up?

[Oldbloke]

Oh they had all of these rules already queued up ready to go. Despite the fact that this crime that happened in Nova Scotia would have still happened regardless of these rules.

And also what is this order in council BS where Trudeau can just make this up?

I sounds like regulations here.

[Southpaw]

My 2c is that they are completely retarded if they do anything except non compliance with this socialist/fascist left wing bulls**t.

Well, there was a lot of retards here in 96 then...

[Farmerpete]

I noticed that the A.k. hasn't made the list and all of them pictured were scary and black so does that mean wooden semi's are still ok

[AussieCapitalist]

Examine the history people.

Port Arthur was committed with illegally obtained firearms.
NZ was committed with illegally used magazines
This latest Canada shooting was committed with illegally obtained firearms.

Funny how criminals don't follow the law but everybody else should be penalised. This is why the USA is the greatest country in the world. They sacrifice peaceful slavery for dangerous freedom. Everybody knows shootings happen in gun free zones where people are left defenceless. Nobody walks into a NRA meeting where everybody is armed to the teeth because they wont even make it through the door.

[AussieCapitalist]

Well, there was a lot of retards here in 96 then...

Australia is home of the weak. People in this country never stand up for themselves against the government. The French rioted for over a year to show their distain for the government.

[marksman]

Well, there was a lot of retards here in 96 then...

l myself did not see anyone at all that was a law abiding gun owner at that time that wanted to just hand over there firearms
or thought it was a fair and good idea
in fact there were heaps of rally's and protests, we even had our prime minister wearing a flak jacket when talking to the masses
because we cannot be trusted. nobody liked it, we were talked into it, by our spokes people and firearm associations
we were controlled but l reckon it would be different now

[womble]

How would it be different now. We live in a democracy, just like Canada. Majority rule.
It’s just too easy to sell it to the ignorant masses. Does your neighbour need an assault rifle ?
..although I doubt any think on their list actually is an assault rifle, semantics

[marksman]

"How would it be different now"

hey womble
you need to ask the farmer in QLD who held a trespasser house invader with weapons at bay with an unloaded firearm who the QLD police were going to take his firearms and licence away if he or anyone of the people who donated to his go-fund me to fight the charges that ended up getting dropped because of it if they think opinions are the same now as when the stealback happened, would they just lay down now?

as a whole we lose because we are divided but we know now we have to fight for what we have
at the rallies and protests we were divided by our firearm associations who looked at what they could get for themselves eg... ssaa looked after rifle competition shooters and field and game looked after shotgun competition shooters
we were told "its going to happen anyway" "we have to grab what we can or they will take it all away" and l mean that is exactly what we were told by the gun clubs
l believe the firearm community in Australia has changed and would stand up for itself better now without the gun clubs
the ignorant masses did not change our gun laws, it had nothing to do with democracy or majority,there was an opportunity

womble do you really believe that before the stealback we could get assault rifles?
bryant had illegal unlicensed firearms, do a bit of research mate

[Oldbloke]

l myself did not see anyone at all that was a law abiding gun owner at that time that wanted to just hand over there firearms
or thought it was a fair and good idea
in fact there were heaps of rally's and protests, we even had our prime minister wearing a flak jacket when talking to the masses
because we cannot be trusted. nobody liked it, we were talked into it, by our spokes people and firearm associations
we were controlled but l reckon it would be different now

I agree. Just not sure that shooters were "controlled". We were all pretty pissed.

At the end of the day laws were changed and the politicians ignored us,

We just get to vote every few years. Thats why we need all of the shooting clubs/orgaisations to work together.. But after 32 years still not happening.

[AussieCapitalist]

Remember 1996 was before mass internet and the easy spreading of information. So it was harder to organise in those days. NZ did nothing in 2019 to stand up for themselves so I really think it would of made no difference whether it was 1996 or 2020. Australians are cowards when it comes to political activism against the government.

[Crazy]

To be fair they haven't banned semi-auto's there is a list which they used an order in council to implement, the conservative's over there have pledged to remove the order and C-71 which was a Liberal anti gun bill. They also have 2 years to hand in their firearms, plenty of time to reverse what ever has happened. Semi-auto's that aren't on the list aren't banned as well and including the Tavor, Valmet m76, Kriss vector and M1 carbine just to name a few. While i think its bulls**t, its not a full ban, their still around and there time to fix it.

[womble]

Marksman, the point i made is they’re not banning assault rifles as they are already banned.
Just like they were already banned here prior 1996.
But the general public does’nt know that and either does Trudeau seemingly.
Understand that the message to the general public is that they are banning assault rifles and it’s an easy sell.

Mate i don’t need to research it. I lived it. And trust me if i wanted to get my hands on an sks back then i could buy it in the mail with a couple of cases of ammo, no questions asked. Probably one of the cheapest guns i could buy at the time. Full auto conversion, piece of piss. If i wanted an slr i could catch the ferry, no customs.
Licenced responsible shooters did not do such things obviously. But it sure was easy for anyone with criminal intentions.
People who want to go back to that in todays world are naive at best.
We’d end up like the US with the highest gun crime in the western world by a huge margin. And we’d live our lives in fear just like them.

I don’t like what we have here because of the obvious unreasonable oversights. I don’t think pest control without modern efficient tools is as humane as it should be for example.
So i see some hope when Canada and New Zealand roll out their versions, because they have a fairer and broader scope of legitimate needs.
Meaning we will be able to make comparisons and present a more palatable cases for much needed reforms here.

[TassieTiger]

Examine the history people.

Funny how criminals don't follow the law but everybody else should be penalised. This is why the USA is the greatest country in the world. They sacrifice peaceful slavery for dangerous freedom. Everybody knows shootings happen in gun free zones where people are left defenceless. Nobody walks into a NRA meeting where everybody is armed to the teeth because they wont even make it through the door.

Criminals leading the way is always the path forward...make the masses safe - applies to road rules, tax, child support, etc. Whilst I don’t agree with the firearm laws - that’s predominantly because I own / use / understand firearms - the masses do not.
As for the US, I’m not 100% sure they have it right either...far too many people in that country and the result is a ? Over kids maybe not coming home from school, festivals, malls, etc. The UK / Au have had very few mass shootings during any comparable period...
To be honest - I’m not sure there is a fully correct, all appeasing answer...
(Side note) I remember my grandfather saying that legal gun owners were Australia’s army reserve if everything went south...maybe...maybe not, but disarming everyone is certainly not helping and a fast paced, unforeseen invasion (of even medium forces) in thIs country, would easily over run local forces...our local numbers are dismal.
At least Canada has allies a hop, skip away...lol.

[marksman]

Marksman, the point i made is they’re not banning assault rifles as they are already banned.
Just like they were already banned here prior 1996.
But the general public does’nt know that and either does Trudeau seemingly.
Understand that the message to the general public is that they are banning assault rifles and it’s an easy sell.
.

womble after re-reading your post l get it now and have to apologize to you

[Stix]

I dont think things would be different now.

Thing is, the Govt dont take big chunks now, they know they would meet resistance...

Instead they are succeeding in & heading towards heavy oppression with firearms by having all States with seperate laws, that makes each chunk they take significant without a large backlash...its easy for them this way...
So much so they could stick to a timetable, or a "dis-arming the populas" schedule.

They have the best behavioral psychologists & scientists effectively controlling what we eat, drink, & think through our media & stupid mob behavior...so bet your bottom dollar the govt have long term plans for a slow process to disassemble the pro firearms believers...

Appearance laws extending out to toys is a perfect example of this.
And given appearance laws theyve sucessfully introduced in NSW (&Qld...?...) where the biggest people numbers are is proof its working.

They wont take a big chunk...they are taking little ones...& we not only need the affiliations to band together, we need them led by intelligent people who can see & act on whats really happening...

[AZZA'S HJ47]

All i want to see and hope for is non-compliance. New Zealand was a reasonable show of it. Anyone that saw the numbers knew that it was a failure and can hope that Canada takes this to the next level.

[AZZA'S HJ47]

All i want to see and hope for is non-compliance. New Zealand was a reasonable show of it. Anyone that saw the numbers knew that it was a failure and can hope that Canada takes this to the next level.

[AussieCapitalist]

I cringe when I hear the term "assault rifle" or "weapons of war". I cant even remember when select fire firearms were legal in Queensland.

[AussieCapitalist]

This article is a few months old but still relative. Greens senator complaining that the Queensland government is allowing more gun licenses but the government expert says that "More guns does not equal more crime — we appear to be seeing the exact opposite".


https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... 520fe.html

[Oldbloke]

Interesting to note in that article that gun control australia said the exact opposite to what the uni resrsrchers stated.....again.

What i really like was the use of the term "manually operated " ive been usung it for a while now. It simplifies/clarifies the operation of most actions for most non-firearms users.

IMO all BA, pump, lever etc should be in one catagory, "manually operated". It would be fair and simplify the catagories.

[AussieCapitalist]

And rimfire semiauto rifles. Nowhere in the world is rimfire restricted. People hear the word semi auto and think it is a machine gun.

[Oldbloke]

And rimfire semiauto rifles. Nowhere in the world is rimfire restricted. People hear the word semi auto and think it is a machine gun.

Yeh, heavly restricting semi auto 22rf is simply madness.

Had to hand in my father inlaws yrs ago. Inherited it. Worth nothing, but that hurt.

[Ziege]

All's I say is we need less fudds and more Charlton Hestons

[Member-Deleted]

And rimfire semiauto rifles. Nowhere in the world is rimfire restricted. People hear the word semi auto and think it is a machine gun.

I can't really see the need for semi auto or full auto at all anyway

What can you do with one that a bolt/lever/straight pull can't?

I would like one too but personally can't see the reason to own one

[AussieCapitalist]

I can't really see the need for semi auto or full auto at all anyway

What can you do with one that a bolt/lever/straight pull can't?

I would like one too but personally can't see the reason to own one

Who are you to say what other people need? I don't need a leather jacket made from 100% Italian goat but they are cool and I like them. Just because you don't need it does not mean other people do not want to have one. How people spend their currency should be of no concern to anybody.

I shot a few 50cal automatics over in Cambodia and Alaska and that is the coolest thing you can ever do. I never give up hope that one day it will be legal here too.

[marksman]

I can't really see the need for semi auto or full auto at all anyway

What can you do with one that a bolt/lever/straight pull can't?

I would like one too but personally can't see the reason to own one

l hated having to hand in my semi auto shotgun that was a great asset when shooting pigs, rabbits over ferrets, foxes and ducks
l also had great success with my 10/22 ruger on rabbits and foxes
Australia has never allowed the public to own full auto firearms ever dealers and collectors are the only ones that l know of who could

to answer "What can you do with one that a bolt/lever/straight pull can't?" you really have to have a go at them to see how much different it is to keep your sight on the animal and just pull the trigger, it is so much easier to keep on the animal, especially when you are hunting close scrub short distance
the problem with semi auto's or self loaders because there really is no such thing as a semi auto, its salesman talk is that you do not have to do anything after firing to be ready to shoot again and why the authority's dont want us to have them
the gun shops loved guys with self loaders because you would go through mare ammo
shooting a self loading shotgun is no different to shooting an under and over except the amount of shots that was why they are so good