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Australian vs US vs China

Post by Sergeant Hartman » 22 May 2020, 7:28 am

Ok another thread from me, i know where it will end up and we will start talking about 8" grinders. But

I have been reading up the newspapers, and looking at China first putting up 80% tariff on barley, then banning beef exports from 4 abattoir. Then talk about iron ore investigation and now the government directive to power plants not to buy Australian coal.

All of this within weeks of Australian government asking for a covid inquiry and being trumps lap dog. There were lots of countries supporting Australia meekly.

It almost felt like the scene in Shreak movie where all the villagers went hunting the ogre, shouting lets kill him. and he comes up behind the loudest guy picks him up and asks you and who else the camera zooms out to see no one else there.

Australia is the lucky country cuz we dig s**t up and sell it. And lately it's been mainly been about digging s**t up and selling it to China. So why are the politicians on all sides (this is not the first time) so happy to keep on biting the hand that feeds it. If the Chinese tell their students not to come to Australia all our higher education sector including universities and many colleges will just die out
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Post by poid » 22 May 2020, 7:47 am

well you've outlined the exact problem, we've got ourselves into a position where China believe we are reliant on them and they want to dictate how we do things. They've spent many years infiltrating politics, buying up land, real estate and businesses, ports etc etc basically in an effort to ensure Australia becomes a controlled quarry and farm for China. Belt and Roads is part of the same plan, and the CCP is using the US playbook there; load up countries with debt to build infrastructure that isn't commercially viable, and then exchange the debt for real assets when the country can't pay.

You can look to Hong Kong for how things turn out for a democracy that lives under Chinese influence, that is the outcome we need to avoid long term. We are stupid enough to have become reliant on Chinese money, and IMO it's at the point where we need to either resist that end outcome or accept becoming a defacto Chinese state which is the ultimate aim of the CCP.
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Post by TassieTiger » 22 May 2020, 8:01 am

Australia has “wanted” commodities. China is our main trading partner because they are willing to pay the highest $ - it doesn’t mean there aren’t other markets. Set up better trade negotiations with India - their economy was growing at an amazingly positive rate and I’m sure they need steel. Countries like Japan, etc who are over populated for land mass cannot grow enough food, so look to better beef deals there...
Before covid - China was very close to its first recession in a looong time do they are probably using us as a scapegoat - some import pull back was needed regardless.

We all said after covid - surely the world will have to stop dealing with China so much - what an opportunity...it won’t be easy in the short term, but gains will return in the long run...
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Post by Sergeant Hartman » 22 May 2020, 8:28 am

Ahh but that's it... with India are you jumping from the frying pan into the fire. What to say they won't be worse.
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Post by straightshooter » 22 May 2020, 8:30 am

It's early days for this particular kerfuffle.
It essentially is a posing of the question 'are we going to do things the easy way or the hard way' with a very slight taste of the hard way being demonstrated.
No prizes for working out which political constituency the barley tariff is designed to hurt.
The serial thinkers in charge of this Anglo-American poodle have a real dilemma in their in tray.
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Post by Aliqua » 22 May 2020, 8:31 am

China makes up approximately 20-25% of the worlds population. Australia is already in talks with other large population countries like India in relation to the sale of our Barley, and I'm sure with the 'shift' in manufacturing to other countries which many countries have stated (and even countries like the USA who are choosing to a lot more domestic manufacturing) like India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Argentina, EU etc etc... I can only hope that countries like Australia who are being 'strong armed' by China that we can send our goods to these other countries and get the same output - many countries of which we already have free-trade agreements with.

What China is failing to see (they're too stupid and immature/childish) is that they are not only offending / affecting Australia, but also our allies... and their actions are actually uniting a lot of the western countries against China; thus they will find that not just Australia will pull out. Yes China has a number of domestic resources but not nearly the quantity or the quality of the other countries it sources from (eg: iron ore, meat, dairy and everything else...) to support both their domestic market and their international market and in turn it will affect their bottom line both domestically and internationally while the rest of the world who has become reliant on china, will soon find alternative solutions with other countries to produce these products and thrive...

Side note: How funny that the consular general (ambassador) left the country this week for health reasons?
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Post by Bill » 22 May 2020, 9:36 am

Always a risk with farming, diversification is the key and not having all ya eggs in one basket so to speak.

The Barley tariff has been brewing for a while and it has many factors including that we tariff Chinese steel and aluminum producers

It's also bye product of Trumps trade war, part supporting Chinese barley grower and part smacking Scott Morrison poor diplomacy.

Many factors at play here and there is no simple solution
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Post by TassieTiger » 22 May 2020, 9:40 am

Wondered how long it would take before the T word came in lol.
“ Ahh but that's it... with India are you jumping from the frying pan into the fire. What to say they won't be worse.” - if our contract negotiators haven’t learnt, their in the wrong job....
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Post by Grandadbushy » 22 May 2020, 10:13 am

Aliqua ''Chinese ambassador left country for health reasons'' ;) i'm not one to start a rumor :lol: but I heard he got a bat bone caught in his neck :D :lol: just sayin :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by Grandadbushy » 22 May 2020, 10:39 am

Yes it's got very nasty now the Aus v US v China yep it's resorted to China making a cartoon of Trump and Trump making one of China ''oooowah nasty'' :lol: :lol: china can't survive with only their minerals and food bowls it has to rely on other countries to survive this is a pissing contest between Trump and the Chinese gov, Australia is being used as a pawn to get at the US I doubt anything will change if Australia stands its grounds alone it's of no wonder that china thinks Australia is a puppet of the US , Australia has followed the US like a little puppy lost ,Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan are just 3 that come to mind :crazy: unfortunately the US has our back when it comes to larger countries than Australia so it's like having a guard dog that will eventually bite you so don't worry when china resumes the original deal less the 80% duty on barley ,Australia should put an export duty on the barley to China of 80% plus interest and up the contract price until they gain back the monies lost to china with its 80% duty :lol: China forgot that 2 can play that game :thumbsup:
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Post by scoot » 22 May 2020, 10:40 am

Australia is rich with resources, e.g.. minerals, cropping country, livestock and skills. Someone needs to man up and tell China to f@#$ off. The short term losses will hurt but long term benefits will be reaped when they realise we got what the world needs.
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Post by AussieCapitalist » 22 May 2020, 12:52 pm

China needs the world the world does not need china. The world is waking up to the evil threat that is china and local manufacturing will return again as the world becomes more isolationist and moves away from china.. We use to make everything in this country now we are reliant on everyone. We have massive gas reserves about 40% of the worlds but yet we pay the highest price for gas in the world. Same with beef. Japan buys our best cuts and we are left with the scraps. Australians have zero pride in blood and soil and would sell their own mother to a foreign market to make a buck. There is nothing wrong with trade but it cant come at the expensive of the home country. Over half the workforce is on the dole at the moment. That cant last forever.

The 2020s will be a rough decade for the world. I can see a physical war with china happening by by 2030. Every single time throughout history when a so called dying power (USA) is rivaled by another power (china) it has resulted in conflict.

We are in 1913 and the winds of war are rumbling. What will be the spark that lights this powder keg?
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Post by Patriot » 22 May 2020, 1:28 pm

AussieCapitalist wrote:China needs the world the world does not need china. The world is waking up to the evil threat that is china and local manufacturing will return again as the world becomes more isolationist and moves away from china.. We use to make everything in this country now we are reliant on everyone. We have massive gas reserves about 40% of the worlds but yet we pay the highest price for gas in the world. Same with beef. Japan buys our best cuts and we are left with the scraps. Australians have zero pride in blood and soil and would sell their own mother to a foreign market to make a buck. There is nothing wrong with trade but it cant come at the expensive of the home country. Over half the workforce is on the dole at the moment. That cant last forever.

The 2020s will be a rough decade for the world. I can see a physical war with china happening by by 2030. Every single time throughout history when a so called dying power (USA) is rivaled by another power (china) it has resulted in conflict.

We are in 1913 and the winds of war are rumbling. What will be the spark that lights this powder keg?



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Post by Aliqua » 22 May 2020, 1:41 pm

Grandadbushy wrote:Aliqua ''Chinese ambassador left country for health reasons'' ;) i'm not one to start a rumor :lol: but I heard he got a bat bone caught in his neck :D :lol: just sayin :thumbsup: :drinks:


I heard he is actually a she :lol:
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Post by bigrich » 22 May 2020, 2:06 pm

scoot wrote:Australia is rich with resources, e.g.. minerals, cropping country, livestock and skills. Someone needs to man up and tell China to f@#$ off. The short term losses will hurt but long term benefits will be reaped when they realise we got what the world needs.


+1, but greed and the almighty $ have got australia's business leaders crying and ready to give in already . traitors i reackon. the worlds a big place and our ambassadors and trade ministers should get off their buts and work for new markets . china needs our ore,coal and produce more than we need them . well that's my opinion, the harsh reallity is most aussies like to buy the cheap chinese imports. but at what point do we sell our country and freedom off for cheap crap ?

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Post by Bugman » 22 May 2020, 4:11 pm

The Chinese regime wants the best of communism and capitalism and it would appear that they don't give a flying f*&k how they achieve it. I think uncle Scott needs to show some balls and take control of our economic future and not pander to the unscrupulous Chinese government. When things don't go their own way, they want to take their dim sims and go home.
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Post by marksman » 22 May 2020, 8:30 pm

from the replies l think its pretty obvious what people think and l dont know anyone personally who thinks any different, aussies are not happy and want a change, that is except people like twiggy forrest :lol: beware billionaire bearing gifts ;) :lol:

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it has to be remembered how snakey the chinese are
eg.. China has a reputation for poor-quality honey loaded with contaminants and is working hard to avoid using a “Made in China” label on the product, A media investigation into the scale of the Australian honey relabeling operations, found that up to 2,228t of Chinese honey was shipped to Australia, mainly through Singapore, and then re-exported to the United States in the 2001-02 financial year at a time when the U.S. had banned Chinese honey.
but singapore has no bees :unknown:
https://www.change.org/p/imported-honey ... dit_var=v3

and how new zealand receives vegetables from china, freezes them and sends them to australia, "Made in New Zealand from local and imported ingredients’.
https://www.change.org/p/imported-honey ... tm_term=cs

the list goes on, l dont get into the tariff BS because we all well know the chinese economy has completely tanked and they cant afford the produce at the moment anyway so time to play some games

but its not really the "Australian vs US vs China", its the world vs ccp and pretty sure that would include some chinese against the ccp :wtf:
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Post by bigrich » 22 May 2020, 9:42 pm

chinese folks aren't happy in hong kong MM . they were supposed to keep their unique status of being relatively free compared to mainland china , it was in a list of terms and conditions that was ripped up by bejing . that's what the riots in hong kong are about . i think things are going from bad to worse as chinese imperialism seems to be increasing every year. and as you've pointed out MM , in business and politics the chinese state tries very hard to deceive. i think the world should suspend all trade with china and seek other markets

and "twiggy" forest , and big business like him ,will sell out this country for a ship load of money :thumbsdown:

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