NSW joint counter terrorism team seize illegal firearms

[AussieCapitalist]

Some good firearm related news lads, a haul of illegal firearms have been taken off the streets from ISIS supporters in Sydney. SKS rifles, 45 calibre handguns, pump action shotguns and an AK47 were found by the police in a raid in Western Sydney. The idiots who write the news however clearly do not know anything about firearms and are framing it again. A Vickers K machine gun was also taken by the police. Now this firearm was used in WW1 biplanes but also on vehicles in WW2 but the news report frames it as a weapon that was " developed for air-to-air combat". This is a media framing technique that the media does.Either way I often complain about the government but good to see them actually arresting terrorists. Just goes to show everyone that any day could be the day terrorists launch an attack on the public.

https://www.miragenews.com/three-men-ch ... stigation/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/thr ... 554hu.html

[Wm.Traynor]

Bless the spooks
To give them their due, every so often we hear of a "bust(?)" like this and it's the spooks looking after us, completely unannounced, no fanfare; just getting on with it.
Good For Them

[Flyer]

Some good firearm related news lads, a haul of illegal firearms have been taken off the streets from ISIS supporters in Sydney. SKS rifles, 45 calibre handguns, pump action shotguns and an AK47 were found by the police in a raid in Western Sydney. The idiots who write the news however clearly do not know anything about firearms and are framing it again. A Vickers K machine gun was also taken by the police. Now this firearm was used in WW1 biplanes but also on vehicles in WW2 but the news report frames it as a weapon that was " developed for air-to-air combat". This is a media framing technique that the media does.Either way I often complain about the government but good to see them actually arresting terrorists. Just goes to show everyone that any day could be the day terrorists launch an attack on the public.

https://www.miragenews.com/three-men-ch ... stigation/

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/thr ... 554hu.html

What terrorism offences were they charged with?

And how did the Vickers K end up on WWI aircraft when it wasn't developed until 1928?

And are you saying the Vickers K was not developed for air-to-air combat and that it wasn't adopted by the RAF in 1934?

[bladeracer]

I'm all for good Policing, and this team did very good.

"The 29-year-old Bankstown man was charged with 18 counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, 17 counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate in criminal group contribute to criminal activity."

"The 26-year-old East Hills man was charged with six counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, eight counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity.

The 30-year-old Condell Park man was charged with three counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity."

Here we have just three blokes selling dozens of illegal firearms to criminals within one year, but the million+ firearm owners that legally obtain their firearms, do not sell them to criminals, or cause any harm at all, are the ones that can expect even further restriction on _legal_ ownership. The mass of Police manpower wasted on monitoring firearm owners should be out on the streets doing this sort of work aimed at the illegal firearm market.

[Flyer]

Where are the terrorism charges? This thread is titled "Terrorists arrested".

a haul of illegal firearms have been taken off the streets from ISIS supporters in Sydney . . . good to see them actually arresting terrorists. Just goes to show everyone that any day could be the day terrorists launch an attack on the public.

I'm looking for the bit about their links to ISIS and where they were planning a terrorist attack. I don't think AussieCapitalist would lie about that, so it must have been reported somewhere. We can always rely on the internet for the truth.

[bladeracer]

Where are the terrorism charges? This thread is titled "Terrorists arrested".

a haul of illegal firearms have been taken off the streets from ISIS supporters in Sydney . . . good to see them actually arresting terrorists. Just goes to show everyone that any day could be the day terrorists launch an attack on the public.

I'm looking for the bit about their links to ISIS and where they were planning a terrorist attack. I don't think AussieCapitalist would lie about that, so it must have been reported somewhere. We can always rely on the internet for the truth.

The articles state their ISIS affiliations, but make it clear they were not planning terrorism.
Just in it for the money is my guess.

[Flyer]

I must have missed that bit. Can you copy and paste the part where the articles stated their ISIS affiliations? I can't find it.

[womble]

Fantastic sting.
Amazing work by amazing people.
The charges make it clear that people sacrificed everything to work under cover and probably for a long time to gain trust.
The diverse range of firearms seized and where they were likely sourced from shows this was a big operation.
Look at the profits they were turning over.
POS poorly built AK for 78 grand. You could get one from Yemen or Somalia for about 500 bucks postage included.
48 grand for a hand gun.
Why would crims even bother dealing drugs nowadays in Aus. Dose’nt begin to compare to that turnover.
Guess that’s what happens when you ban all the guns. A lot of incentive for corruption and easy money.

[Flyer]

Not in those links. All I could find was:

All three are charged with participating in a criminal group and weapon supply offences, but do not face any terrorism charges.

[marksman]

I'm all for good Policing, and this team did very good.

"The 29-year-old Bankstown man was charged with 18 counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, 17 counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate in criminal group contribute to criminal activity."

"The 26-year-old East Hills man was charged with six counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, eight counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity.

The 30-year-old Condell Park man was charged with three counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity."

Here we have just three blokes selling dozens of illegal firearms to criminals within one year, but the million+ firearm owners that legally obtain their firearms, do not sell them to criminals, or cause any harm at all, are the ones that can expect even further restriction on _legal_ ownership. The mass of Police manpower wasted on monitoring firearm owners should be out on the streets doing this sort of work aimed at the illegal firearm market.

+1

[bladeracer]

Not in those links. All I could find was:

All three are charged with participating in a criminal group and weapon supply offences, but do not face any terrorism charges.

Just for you I bolded the bits you missed:

"The NSW Joint Counter Terrorism Team (JCTT) has seized 14 illegal firearms and charged three men with a total of 73 offences over their alleged involvement in the supply of firearms in Sydney’s south-west.

Earlier this year, members of the NSW JCTT – comprising the Australian Federal Police (AFP), NSW Police Force (NSWPF), the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, and the NSW Crime Commission – received information relating to a group with possible access to illegal firearms and members with suspected extremist ideology.

Operation Bouwel was subsequently commenced to investigate the group’s involvement in the acquirement and supply of firearms and explosives.

During the course of the investigation, the JCTT seized 11 firearms, including four SKS rifles, a Taurus 9mm pistol .45 calibre self-loading pistol, a .45 calibre handgun, a semi-automatic .22 calibre rifle with silencer, a semi-automatic M1 carbine, and a pump-action shotgun.

Investigators also seized two banana magazines and 523 rounds of ammunition (various calibres).

Following extensive inquiries, Operation Bouwel investigators, with the assistance of the Tactical Operations Unit, the Public Order and Riot Squad and South West Metropolitan Operations Support Group, executed five search warrants and conducted three Firearms Prohibition Order (FPO) searches across south west Sydney from 9.30am yesterday (Friday 19 June 2020).

During the searches, investigators seized electronic devices and clothing relevant to the investigation, along with cash and prohibited drugs.

Police also seized a further three firearms – an MK5 rifle, a Berretta 9mm pistol, and a 9mm mini-Glock pistol – as a result of the operation.

All of the firearms will undergo extensive forensic and ballistic examination.

Three men – aged 26, 29, and 30 – were arrested and taken to Bankstown Police Station.

The 29-year-old Bankstown man was charged with 18 counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, 17 counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate in criminal group contribute to criminal activity.

The 26-year-old East Hills man was charged with six counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, eight counts of offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, seven counts of supply, give ammunition to person not authorised, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity.

The 30-year-old Condell Park man was charged with three counts of offer to supply/supply pistol to person unauthorised to possess it, offer to supply/supply prohibited firearm to unauthorised person, unlawfully sell firearms 3 times of more within 12 months, and participate criminal group contribute criminal activity.

They have all been refused bail to appear at Parramatta Bail Court today (Saturday 20 June 2020).

Anyone with information about extremist activity or possible threats to the community should come forward, no matter how small or insignificant you may think the information may be. The National Security Hotline is 1800 123 400."



"Two alleged gun suppliers arrested in a counter-terrorism investigation will bide their time in custody before applying for bail in two weeks' time.

The pair and a third man, arrested on Friday in co-ordinated raids across Sydney, were not required when their cases were briefly mentioned in Parramatta Bail Court on Saturday.

East Hills man Hassan Darwiche and Condell Park man Nassreldine Cheikh will seek bail on July 6 and 7, lawyer Ahmed Dib told the court.

"Our system is built on the presumption of innocence - you're innocent until guilty," Mr Dib said outside court.

Darwiche, Cheikh and Bankstown man Jehad Warideh were arrested by heavily armed police on Friday after a five-month-long investigation by police and intelligence organisations into a group with possible access to illegal guns and members with suspected extremist ideology.

All three are charged with participating in a criminal group and weapon supply offences, but do not face any terrorism charges.

"Police often over-exaggerate things, don't they?" Mr Dib told reporters.

From late April, police acquired 11 firearms including a semi-automatic .22 calibre Ruger rifle with a silencer, two high-capacity magazines and an archangel tactical fit-out.

Warideh allegedly supplied three further weapons - an MK5 assault rifle and two 9mm pistols - plus ammunition for $40,000 when he was arrested on Friday.

The 29-year-old faces 44 charges including that he offered to supply a fully automatic Vickers K machine gun - developed for air-to-air combat - for $90,000.

He's also accused of offering an AK47 for $70,000 and selling a 45 calibre pistol with a laser and flashlight for $38,000, court documents show.

Darwiche, 26, was charged with 23 offences including eight counts of offering to supply or supplying a prohibited firearm to an unauthorised person.

Cheikh, 30, faces six charges, including three counts of offering to supply or supplying a pistol to a person unauthorised to possess one.

Police say there was no evidence of any plan to mount a terrorist attack.

The investigation began in January following reports of a person with "extremist sympathies" supplying firearms while allegedly "aligned to the Islamic State ideology", Australian Federal Police Assistant Commissioner Scott Lee said on Friday.

"There's no evidence (the man involved wanted to join ISIS) ... but certainly, the evidence is that he's supportive of ISIS and was looking to provide funds to Islamic State if possible," Mr Lee said.

The case is due to be mentioned in Bankstown Local Court on August 6."

[Bugman]

Vickers machine gun fact: Was in service from 1912 to 1968. By the way Flyer, how many time must you nitpick with possibly incorrect facts.

[Flyer]

Vickers machine gun fact: Was in service from 1912 to 1968. By the way Flyer, how many time must you nitpick with possibly incorrect facts.

We all know that. But when was the K model developed?

I'm hardly nit-picking when the OP stated:

The idiots who write the news however clearly do not know anything about firearms and are framing it again. A Vickers K machine gun was also taken by the police. Now this firearm was used in WW1 biplanes but also on vehicles in WW2 but the news report frames it as a weapon that was " developed for air-to-air combat". This is a media framing technique that the media does.

If you're going to claim the media are "idiots" who "clearly do not know anything about firearms" . . . and then go on to divulge your own ignorance – on top of the fact not even realising the media were, in fact, correct about their description of the Vickers K – then you deserve to be held to account.

Same goes for claiming someone is a terrorist when they haven't been charged with any terrorism offences.

Some people here don't seem to know the difference. It's a good thing our legal system does.

[Harrynsw]

There's hefty time for terrorism, as there should be. Make an example of them and who ever comes after them.

[straightshooter]

This case is not quite a beat up but carries the usual lurid embellishments for the benefit of excitable readers.
Remember it is Bankistan after all and these are simply some of the tools of their trade.
If you were to see the numbers of C63's, Lambo's and Bentleys getting around the Bankistan area then you would indeed have to be rather simple not to work out what their trade really is.
It's also not too difficult to see the mechanism by which they were brought to justice.
That is a salutary lesson to we gun owners who just want to peacefully pursue our sporting pastime. If somebody, even somebody you think you know reasonably well, approaches you with any sort of shonky offer - run.
Recent reports regarding ASIO suggest that over zealous patriotism is now considered a marker for 'right wing terrorism' which is tending to become ASIO's principal focus.
Also be aware that anything you put out into the ether, in all it's forms, is there forever.
That carries pretty sour future implications for we gun owners conversing with one another.
For example in an earlier post today I commented on converting 308 cases to 243. It's a long bow to draw at this time but at some time in the future and in certain contexts it could be construed as providing instruction to terrorists.

[wanneroo]

Fantastic sting.
Amazing work by amazing people.
The charges make it clear that people sacrificed everything to work under cover and probably for a long time to gain trust.
The diverse range of firearms seized and where they were likely sourced from shows this was a big operation.
Look at the profits they were turning over.
POS poorly built AK for 78 grand. You could get one from Yemen or Somalia for about 500 bucks postage included.
48 grand for a hand gun.
Why would crims even bother dealing drugs nowadays in Aus. Dose’nt begin to compare to that turnover.
Guess that’s what happens when you ban all the guns. A lot of incentive for corruption and easy money.

Well that's the thing, the Australian government enriched and empowered the gangs with all their gun laws. Guns are as lucrative as drugs.