TassieTiger wrote:Jetstar have just confirmed a CV positive case was on board from Sydney to QLD...trying to track all 149 passengers now...I don’t see how “normal” life can align with a complete eradication - it’s just not feasible.
Grandadbushy wrote:Yes mchughcb mate it's gonna be tough but it's all we got for now i agree we can't do this forever ,BUT it hasn't helped by people doing the wrong thing, and no we don't have a war but it affects the economy and people similar, most governments end up broke after wars and this could be similar, as far as isolation goes yes i do keep clear from others with virus's or if i've got the flu we live miles from most people so it's not a problem for us and as far as complaining and we aren't under martial law well you have to wonder why they are under martial law is it because they didn't do the right thing in the first place, it's easy to blame the government for most of this but people have to take some of the blame especially those that flaunt the rules. up here we've been lucky so far because our Premier didn't bow to pressure from the other states and open the borders and look at their situation, you are right about this not being able to be kept up and i have no doubt if things don't move to the better, things will change and governments will try and adapt to other ideas but for now lets not condemn everything that has been done because it's been a learning curve for us all and lets hope something gives soon so we all can resume as normal a life as possible
mchughcb wrote:There is some assumption that do the right thing and everybody will be okay. I hear that every day from people.
However when I look at the clusters of community transmission they are now over 80% at work or where people live. So Meatworks, warehouses, hospitals and aged care. When I see people who are infected, like doctors, nurses, medical staff, old pensioners, and police I start to think well if "they" are doing the "right" stuff and still getting infected then what?
The continue deflection by the Government and their media sycophants onto punters walking around the Tan because she got sick of walking around Brighton, the guy that ordered an indian takeaway in the city, the guy that ate McDonalds in Albury. So few newsworthy cases and not one of them was transmitting anything, but we have outbreaks of hundreds at meatworks, aged care, schools, ethnic homes after religious festivals and hospitals. Apart from the last place, we don't hear how many of those recovered. All we get every day is another briefing of the nameless people with an average age of 80 passed away. We don't even hear if they were compromised health already.
Then we have the extremely intelligent soccer mums living off welfare who say stage 4 is state of disaster is not enough. We need house arrest. And they aren't kidding.
For all the other states who think this self inflicted over reaction won't happen to them watch this space. You can't see it, every person you see could be symptomatic and the virus can last for days on surfaces.
Grandadbushy wrote:Wanneroo mate i'm not making assumptions at all i'm hoping they have at least got some of it right because at the moment most of it is trial and error , yes people have botched it in some areas at times but who hasn't but if the government or medical people were to act on every bit of hypothetical information brought up on the media or from many that think that they have a science or medical degree or more of an idea than the professionals who are trying to cope and learn about this virus then i reckon we would be in a far worse position than we are now, everybody keeps going on about all the other virus's prior to this one that presumably they were far greater than this one well mate they have run their race and showed their capabilities this one hasn't it's still going , we don't know what the after effects are going to be , we don't know if those that have had it will have long term effects from it , it has been stated some will so i don't see how all these people can ''assume'' that this virus is nothing, there will be more deaths, more conjecture, more BS media, more false information on virus statistics , more people thinking they have all the answers but at the end of the day we can be thankful there are some out there that get on with the job of helping and trying to control this virus and they're the people i listen to and admire not any media or person on google or the like
TassieTiger wrote:So does that mean the common cold is the same strain in every country? If you travel (hic) to India and get their strain - how do you fare?
Oldbloke wrote:The covid19 is a variation of the common cold. For donkey years researchers have been trying to develop a vaccine.
It will be a miracle if one is developed in the next 18 months. So, get used to it.
mchughcb wrote:Well another 400+ today and the view is well if its still too high another 6 weeks on top of the 6 weeks and we go to stage 5.
I'm starting to think that it should go to stage 5, Country Vic goes stage 4 and NSW goes stage 4.
Not that it will make one ounce of difference but when soccer mums see their welfare cut, their husbands out of work and the kids are at home screaming their heads off because they are locked up 23 hours per day then people are going to get the message they can't live like this for ever.
https://youtu.be/MRuS3dxKK9U
Oldbloke wrote:The covid19 is a variation of the common cold. For donkey years researchers have been trying to develop a vaccine.
It will be a miracle if one is developed in the next 18 months. So, get used to it.
womble wrote:To his credit he doesn’t claim to know anything about anything. Always outsources expertise.
If our best health services people ask for anything, they’ll get it.
Same as he’s done with the police force in the past.
I criticised him earlier for not being decisive himself, but essentially all decisions are being taken from real time feedback from people in the field and on the ground.
Unusual style of management for sure.. perhaps grants him solid excuses to fall back on.. perhaps shares the burden of responsibility.
Whatever, I’m down with it.
TassieTiger wrote:Those links are really interesting wannaeroo.
I’ve heard on some podcasts (Rogan with virologist guests) that there are now various strains and there is concern that a USA based vaccine would not necessarily be effective against a Aust virus or Indian virus...
mchughcb wrote:Well another 400+ today and the view is well if its still too high another 6 weeks on top of the 6 weeks and we go to stage 5.
I'm starting to think that it should go to stage 5, Country Vic goes stage 4 and NSW goes stage 4.
Not that it will make one ounce of difference but when soccer mums see their welfare cut, their husbands out of work and the kids are at home screaming their heads off because they are locked up 23 hours per day then people are going to get the message they can't live like this for ever.
https://youtu.be/MRuS3dxKK9U
wanneroo wrote:TassieTiger wrote:Those links are really interesting wannaeroo.
I’ve heard on some podcasts (Rogan with virologist guests) that there are now various strains and there is concern that a USA based vaccine would not necessarily be effective against a Aust virus or Indian virus...
Well with the world shut down it's quite possible the virus will develop on it's own independently so a year from now the virus in all these different spots could be different enough that one single vaccine might not work.
Bill wrote:Chuck can you explain what stage 5 is ? because I wasnt aware that it actually exists.
Lets see what happens with numbers after 2 -3 weeks.
I'm not sure why NSW is allowing Victorians to fly in, sorta seems bloody stupid
on_one_wheel wrote:Plenty of Australians don't seem to be taking it seriously, some think it's not even real.
Meanwhile, they're digging mass graves in New York to cope with the death toll.
It's been killing aprox 5000 people per day worldwide for the last 3 months.