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Does Hunting have a future in Victoria.

Post by NSC » 10 Sep 2020, 10:57 am

PETER ZABRDAC is a seasoned political operator. Here is his view on the future of hunting in Victoria in the current political climate - which could affect the future of hunting elsewhere

Hi all,

Below is a link to the NSC's website for an article by the NSC Vice President on the future of hunting in Victoria that may have an affect across Australia.

Please take the time to read it and share with your fellow hunters.

https://nationalshooting.org.au/blog/f/ ... f3rZQVKue8

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Post by deye243 » 10 Sep 2020, 4:14 pm

Unfortunately the link will not work for me but ID say Victoria would have the largest and strongest deer hunting industry in the country .
with the Sambar deer I live in Sambar country and from what I see it must generate millions of dollars .
And the amount of four wheel drives with dog boxs on the back nearly as common as minivans picking up kids at school
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Post by Bugman » 10 Sep 2020, 4:18 pm

or the bigger question...does Victoria itself, have future? I really feel for the folk down there.. : :(
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Post by Larry » 10 Sep 2020, 4:26 pm

I really fear if hunting on any Public land in any part of Australia will have a future in the not to distant future.
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Post by Blr243 » 10 Sep 2020, 4:33 pm

If hunting has no future in Victoria there will be some very happy sambar
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Post by Member-Deleted » 10 Sep 2020, 4:37 pm

I'll comment the article itself just incase the link isn't working for others.

FOR THE AVERAGE SHOOTER, the world of politics can be confusing because there are no simple solutions to our problems, yet opinions on how to fix them can be found everywhere.

However nothing beats experience in politics, especially from those who have spent time in the major parties. That's because they are the ones who have been close to the internal workings of governments and oppositions. That's where the real action is, why their opinions matter - and why the NSC was set up - to be run by people with that experience so that we can get the job done.

Peter Zabrdac is one of those people. Peter is from Labor and knows the Victorian political scene better than anyone else in the shooting sports. It's a great thing that he's on our side!

Here is Peter's take on what is at stake for shooters in Victoria and elsewhere, including from the recent 'deal' with the Greens and Animal Justice Party to extend the state's Coronavirus lockdown.

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Does hunting have a future in Victoria? Why all Shooters need to support the NSC.

Most sporting Shooters hate politics and its easy to understand why. All Shooters want is to be left alone, treated fairly and to be allowed to do what they love.

Recently there has been a lot of speculation on whether a deal was done between the Victorian Andrew’s government , the Greens and some of the minor party MPs to give Andrew’s the numbers in the vote to give him the ability to continue lockdown. It’s suggested that the “payoff” from the government will be the end of duck hunting in Victoria.

For those who don’t know I hold the position of National Vice President of the National Shooting Council. I am not a hunter and never will be. But I support legal

hunting as a shooting sport.

Prior to joining the NSC I was Chief of Staff for a Federal Labor MP as well as a party member, ALP Branch President and Branch secretary. I think I can say that I have a better understanding of Victorian Labor politics than most shooters and the public.

Politics is a “numbers game” and deals are a part of everyday political life. There are always winners and losers in every deal, but governments always do deals with one thing in mind, that is to stay in power no matter the cost.

The focus of some shooters and groups is on whether there will be a 2021 duck hunting season. The real focus should be on whether hunting has a future in Victoria at all.

There are two years left in the Andrew’s governments term, with the next State election due in 2022. The ALP will rely on preferences from the Greens and minors if it is to survive and remain in power.

Daniel Andrews and his “key” Ministers like Lisa Neville come from the Socialist Left faction of the ALP, who they call the old school “Commies” of yesteryear. Victoria Police’s Senior Command Officer level is dominated by those with close links to the ALP hierarchy and who share the same anti-gun, anti-shooting mentality. This is why shooters have been treated so badly in the State of Victoria by its government and Police via the regulator, VicPol’s Licensing and Regulation Division.

I’m confident a deal was done by the Government, Greens and the minors. I’m also confident that discussions about preferences and political survival by some of those minor party MP’s were on the table. After all the government needs the Greens and the minors, and the minor’s MPs need Labor preferences if they are to survive in 2022. It’s a two-way street.

Our largest Shooting organisation SSAA, has consistently shown it has little interest in supporting hunters and hunting across Australia.

Going back to how shooters and hunters will be affected, will there be a duck hunting season in 2021 and beyond? The odds are against it.

Will game hunting be outlawed in the State of Victoria in the future? A returned Labor government will have a 4 year term and so its highly likely in my opinion.

If hunting is banned by the government your “genuine reason” to hold a firearms licence and own guns will no longer exists - and every shooter knows what that means and what will happen!

If you think “I don’t live in Victoria, so it doesn’t affect me” you're wrong. The ALP governments in all States are in the same position and tend to follow each other. Remember how it was only the Labor states that closed our guns hops down earlier this year? I sincerely hope time proves me wrong.

Joining and supporting the NSC means joining a shooting organisation that doesn’t take $ from government and is therefore independent and really does care about all shooters and the sport.

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Re: Does Hunting have a future in Victoria.

Post by Member-Deleted » 10 Sep 2020, 4:38 pm

deye243 wrote:Unfortunately the link will not work for me but ID say Victoria would have the largest and strongest deer hunting industry in the country .
with the Sambar deer I live in Sambar country and from what I see it must generate millions of dollars .
And the amount of four wheel drives with dog boxs on the back nearly as common as minivans picking up kids at school


Please see my comment.
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Post by womble » 10 Sep 2020, 4:47 pm

Well what are we supposed to do with all the sambar then.
Because that’s actually what they’re there for.
Will they be up skilled to drive taxis. I doubt it. Send the back to India. That’s racist
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Post by mchughcb » 10 Sep 2020, 4:48 pm

NSC wrote:PETER ZABRDAC is a seasoned political operator. Here is his view on the future of hunting in Victoria in the current political climate - which could affect the future of hunting elsewhere

Hi all,

Below is a link to the NSC's website for an article by the NSC Vice President on the future of hunting in Victoria that may have an affect across Australia.

Please take the time to read it and share with your fellow hunters.

https://nationalshooting.org.au/blog/f/ ... f3rZQVKue8

Thanks

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I was told there was three people in the NSC. If there is a President, a Vice President is the third person the Treasurer or Secretary or both :unknown:
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Post by deye243 » 10 Sep 2020, 5:51 pm

BangWhizzClack wrote:
deye243 wrote:Unfortunately the link will not work for me but ID say Victoria would have the largest and strongest deer hunting industry in the country .
with the Sambar deer I live in Sambar country and from what I see it must generate millions of dollars .
And the amount of four wheel drives with dog boxs on the back nearly as common as minivans picking up kids at school


Please see my comment.


Thanks for that and I will add this if hunting goes down in Victoria the rest of the country is fuked we have the best access to public lands than any other state.
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Post by marksman » 10 Sep 2020, 6:07 pm

womble wrote:Well what are we supposed to do with all the sambar then.
Because that’s actually what they’re there for.
Will they be up skilled to drive taxis. I doubt it. Send the back to India. That’s racist


well what a farmer down the otways has told me at easter this year is that he has been told there will be poison drops all over the otways to cull out the deer in the area although not many sambar, so l would assume that if it is going to happen down there it will be implemented all over, the worry the locals have is its only in the past couple of years the wedge tail eagles have come back and they will disappear like they did the last time it was apparently done
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Re: Does Hunting have a future in Victoria.

Post by winton » 12 Sep 2020, 4:57 pm

deye243 wrote:Thanks for that and I will add this if hunting goes down in Victoria the rest of the country is fuked we have the best access to public lands than any other state.


Have to agree. Victoria is currently the best place for hunting large game from a regulations and access point of view of any state. Its a pity that its under threat from many directions.

I have seen very little public VIC SSAA action. I think their philosophy is that they like to work behind the scenes, but I think the SSAA are very shooting heavy and less on the hunting side, more on the make money from members side. I'd like to see more aggressive action on their part, but I don't think they have the people in it to do it. They have people who enjoy their access to the political elites and probably don't want to jeopardize it. There are plus and minuses to their approach, but I don't know enough to know if its good or bad.

I do like the NSC approach which is more publicity heavy. They are the new entrant in the lobby scene and its good for the sport. A bad cop to the SSAA's good cop??

A weak industry and group is what gave VICPOL the audacity to implement this license cancellation regime. What will be next? If you speed in your car, you might not be fit and proper? Not difficult to move from covid to this.
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Post by marksman » 12 Sep 2020, 11:36 pm

"What will be next? If you speed in your car, you might not be fit and proper?"

this is already a thing in Victoria winton
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