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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Grandadbushy » 02 Oct 2020, 8:11 am

Don't want to ruffle any feathers here but up here you can be a professional shooter for private people without doing an accuracy course you just have to know the people but if you want to be more out going and work for various public people ie gov, forestry, and any other entity that will hire you the course is slightly more than a course needed for animal harvesting ie roo, up here my mate who's is a ''Trainer, assessor, firearms'' will do a course then issue you with a certificate of pass or fail , you then take that to the Department that handles the licences for that industry and give it to them then you do a food processing course, meat safe course, have your ute tray certified, then all the red tape that comes with government departments, then you are deemed a ''Professional Harvester or animals'' for what ever animal you applied for, professional shooters are basicly a gun for hire, rarely seen up here as the gov departments train their own hence ''Professional Shooters'' Also roo shooters are a type of professional shooter as their profession and main income derives from shooting, Amateur shooters can shoot/cull for farmers without accuracy tests as the farmer usually knows the shooter and a test is not required
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Bill » 02 Oct 2020, 8:47 am

Alot of these NT cull hunts are generally conducted off Quad bikes as you can get around and cover the country a lot more quickly than being restricted by a 4wd.

I can only imagine the 2 idiots just didn't bother to read the Maps in front of them and were just too gung ho. No point rushing thru charges, a full and proper investigation no doubt because of the value of property damage and media spotlight.

An accuracy test wont save these two.
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by marksman » 02 Oct 2020, 10:45 am

animalpest wrote:Marksman - call it what you like, roo harvesters or whatever does not make you a professional.

A professional works in their profession. Simply being paid for a few bucks a month does not make you a professional.

If you never heard of anyone having to show competency other than shooting at paper only demonstrates that you are not aware of courses that require more. They exist as the course requires you to demonstrate you can humanely shoot animals, not shoot a piece of paper. And they are entirely different as anyone with experience in target shooting on a range as well as field shooting of animals can attest.

There is a lot more to pro shooting than kangaroos.

Recently I had a call at 4.00pm on Friday. Road train crashed and rolled full of cattle. So there will be wounded, dead, cattle thrashing about, others that are wounded and running around, all to be dealt with in amongst Fire brigade, Police, paramedics, rangers, and others. Forget training on paper targets.

Insurance is but one issue


how old are you animal pest :lol:

1) l do not call anyone a roo harvester, the government labeled roo shooters that

2) so calling someone professional shooter is like calling the garbage man a sanitation engineer?

3) can you post up a link where firearm proficiency tests are done on live animals?

4) yes there is a lot more to pro shooting than roo's

5) since when did the fire brigade and paramedics get permission to do a humane kill?

6) and yes insurance is but one issue

you really need to not get yourself so wound up and read what l have written, l was not having a go at you

the pro shooters l know work for the government mainly but private as well if they can find people who can afford their rate
they kill all sorts of pests including: roo's, horses, deer, pigeons, waterfowl, rabbits, foxes, cats, dogs ect..
the rate is very expensive and they are not paid by the dead weight
l have had to get a canberra clearance to be able to work for them on government land,
obviously they have a lot more tickets than me and are ticketed pro shooters
sometimes when we work we have army personnel and scientists with us to make sure the job is done correctly, humainley and to do tests as we go
they would not get the job if they were not qualified or could not do it right obeying strict rules while being observed

these guys make a hell of a lot of money and are not target shooters or week end warriors, they have spent a lot of time getting good reputations and spent heaps on good quality gear to do the job but the truth of it is that they still need a day job although they may be out a few nights a week in the local gardens park shooting rabbits while we are tucked up in bed at night, or on the local beach shooting foxes to save the endangered and vulnerable species of the local bird population while nesting, a lot of the time the shooting happens while baiting at the same time to eradicate pests from the area, more tickets
then the big jobs come in and they make a fortune on the night but that's not every night or even every week

l've witnessed splatter tests done proving the frangibility of projectiles so the shooter can shoot in suburbia safely before getting the ok for a job
these guys are pro shooters they are not part of the ssaa or its farmer assist program
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by mchughcb » 02 Oct 2020, 11:08 am

I worked on a mine once. Pud's, job was to empty the buckets of saw dust underground and his official job title was sanitation engineer.
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by winton » 02 Oct 2020, 4:15 pm

I though the horses were a pest in the NT. I shot heaps there a few years ago on a cattle station with permission. Owners up there are always super suspicious of new shooters.
Wonder why the SSAA is linked to this? did they organise it? Sounds really fishy.
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Member-Deleted » 02 Oct 2020, 6:06 pm

animalpest wrote:Marksman - call it what you like, roo harvesters or whatever does not make you a professional.

A professional works in their profession. Simply being paid for a few bucks a month does not make you a professional.

If you never heard of anyone having to show competency other than shooting at paper only demonstrates that you are not aware of courses that require more. They exist as the course requires you to demonstrate you can humanely shoot animals, not shoot a piece of paper. And they are entirely different as anyone with experience in target shooting on a range as well as field shooting of animals can attest.

There is a lot more to pro shooting than kangaroos.

Recently I had a call at 4.00pm on Friday. Road train crashed and rolled full of cattle. So there will be wounded, dead, cattle thrashing about, others that are wounded and running around, all to be dealt with in amongst Fire brigade, Police, paramedics, rangers, and others. Forget training on paper targets.

Insurance is but one issue


Is that the first call you've had like that animalpest? How'd you handle the situation? Have all people stand to one side?
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Grandadbushy » 02 Oct 2020, 8:33 pm

So with all these job titles ie pro, engineer and so on, does that mean when i have sex my title is ''Insertion and Extraction Engineer'' 8-) :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:
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Post by Blr243 » 02 Oct 2020, 8:44 pm

My preferred job title on the third week of November will be N/A ....I’m taking ten days off and hunting the wheat stubble
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by animalpest » 02 Oct 2020, 9:05 pm

1 A roo harvesters is a government name for some States. I am not a roo harvesters or "pro roo shooter" although have the necessary licence in WA. I do shoot roos occasionally as part of my job.

2 No. A job is not a profession. A professional is someone who get paid and has specialist skills, knowledge and training/qualifications in that field. Being a garbo is a job. Being a scientist is a professional. There is a difference.

3 I have already stated a National Unit of Competency that does not accept shooting at paper as the competency assessment. There are many more requirements needed to be assesed as competent in some units. It is not a "proficiency test", it is part of the training and assessment.

4 Indeed.

5 Fire brigade, ambos, et al. do not do the euthanasia, nor did I say they did. They were present adding to the complexity of the risks and the job.

6 Insurance (public liability) is not a big issue for me. It is a small percentage of business costs compared to other variable and fixed costs.

I don't work for a professional shooter. I am one.

"Splatter tests" on bullets are meaningless for shooting in peri-urban and urban areas. It depends on the species, calibre etc which are just as important. You can "splatter" bullets and not humanely kill. And the test is highly subjective. WHAT if you miss?

BangWizzClack - No, it is not my first time dealing with a truck crash with stock. It was given as an example of specialised skills needed for dealing with this. And I am on a National Training Committee that is looking at the competencies needed to train people for this type of scenario.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 02 Oct 2020, 9:25 pm

Animalpest, can you direct me to training and qualifications that are available in VIC please?
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Post by animalpest » 02 Oct 2020, 11:33 pm

Look up the unit AHCPMG304 and find an RTO who delivers the unit or the complete course.
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Member-Deleted » 03 Oct 2020, 1:34 am

animalpest wrote:Look up the unit AHCPMG304 and find an RTO who delivers the unit or the complete course.


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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 7:01 am

Grandadbushy wrote:So with all these job titles ie pro, engineer and so on, does that mean when i have sex my title is ''Insertion and Extraction Engineer'' 8-) :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


Personally, I consider it a confined space entry by a Paraprofessional. :D
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 7:08 am

To run a business or earn a living as a pest controller/shooter IMO would be considered blue collar.

Does not require a uni degree nor a diploma. And no apprenticeship to my knowledge.

But doesn't mean you dont need to work in a professional manner.

I guess that's the old school opinion.
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by eddievic » 03 Oct 2020, 8:05 am

Oldbloke wrote:
Grandadbushy wrote:So with all these job titles ie pro, engineer and so on, does that mean when i have sex my title is ''Insertion and Extraction Engineer'' 8-) :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


Personally, I consider it a confined space entry by a Paraprofessional. :D


Lol at both.

Grandadbushy, can i ask the original of your name...is it cuz you live in the busy...or have a bushy moustache.

Serious question, on a lighter change of topic
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 9:10 am

eddievic, well mate i'm from the bush born and bred mate and everybody tells me i was born 100yrs too late would still like to be able to buy a property with a hand shake and believe respect is a must to survive in harmony with others and i always like to laugh and smile and joke around , but i believe one should mind what they say and say what they mean but be prepared to admit when they're wrong and know that there are others with different opinions and those opinions should be respected, i like to do things the old way, according to my kids and friends, never had much schooling until i got married ( and couldn't have a wife smarter than me ) even though i could shoe a horse and she couldn't, So i applied to learn through distance learning , right up to gr 10 took 4yrs , became a boilermaker at 52yr old done an engineering course whilst becoming a B/M then another 2yrs doing pressure welding tickets then bought a engineering w/shop give all that away 7/8 yrs ago to have my knees done ( now have 2 hinges) where my knees used to be so in all the years i've never left the bush and am still there, then comes the ''Grandad'' well when i was signing onto this forum when my little grandaughter was born and we were sitting around thinking what i should call myself on here and one of the kids said why not ''Grandadbushy'' and that's how i ended up with that name, There you go ya mate didn't expect a drawn out story like that did you mate :thumbsup: :lol: :drinks: :violin: NOTE I did leave a lot out because then you'd know my real age :thumbsup: :lol: and i'd be deemed too old to be on this forum, then i'd be called an old fart and i prefer ''Grandadbushy'' for now :lol: :thumbsup:
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Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 9:27 am

Well oldbloke not all those areas are ''confined space'' some are quiet open and some profession does come into it , not sure about the accuracy test more like hit and miss, but if professional shooters and Insertion and Extraction engineers don't get it right first time then they both will have a lot to answer for in one way or another
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Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 9:41 am

Grandadbushy wrote:Well oldbloke not all those areas are ''confined space'' some are quiet open and some profession does come into it , not sure about the accuracy test more like hit and miss, but if professional shooters and Insertion and Extraction engineers don't get it right first time then they both will have a lot to answer for in one way or another



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Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 10:33 am

Whats that OB mate shoot and leave a mess :) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbsup: :drinks:
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Post by animalpest » 03 Oct 2020, 10:42 am

Does that use a "splatter test" on the projectiles?

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Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 12:10 pm

Yeah well animalpest when you reach 60yr old then the splatter goes out of the projectile actually come to think of it i doubt there is even a projectile any more :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :drinks:
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Post by marksman » 03 Oct 2020, 1:18 pm

animalpest wrote:1 A roo harvesters is a government name for some States. I am not a roo harvesters or "pro roo shooter" although have the necessary licence in WA. I do shoot roos occasionally as part of my job.

2 No. A job is not a profession. A professional is someone who get paid and has specialist skills, knowledge and training/qualifications in that field. Being a garbo is a job. Being a scientist is a professional. There is a difference.

3 I have already stated a National Unit of Competency that does not accept shooting at paper as the competency assessment. There are many more requirements needed to be assesed as competent in some units. It is not a "proficiency test", it is part of the training and assessment.

4 Indeed.

5 Fire brigade, ambos, et al. do not do the euthanasia, nor did I say they did. They were present adding to the complexity of the risks and the job.

6 Insurance (public liability) is not a big issue for me. It is a small percentage of business costs compared to other variable and fixed costs.

I don't work for a professional shooter. I am one.

"Splatter tests" on bullets are meaningless for shooting in peri-urban and urban areas. It depends on the species, calibre etc which are just as important. You can "splatter" bullets and not humanely kill. And the test is highly subjective. WHAT if you miss?

BangWizzClack - No, it is not my first time dealing with a truck crash with stock. It was given as an example of specialised skills needed for dealing with this. And I am on a National Training Committee that is looking at the competencies needed to train people for this type of scenario.


and the game continues

1) you are repeating what l have already said

2) so a garbo has no training or qualifications :lol:

3) you make a lot of assumptions :lol: do you think you are the only person with this ticket :lol: serious question?

4) Indeed Indeed

5) oh yes you did :lol: "all to be dealt with in amongst Fire brigade, Police, paramedics, rangers, and others"

6) insurance is a big issue for me being retired, or is this justification of yours big noting yourself, making heaps of coin mate ;)

"I don't work for a professional shooter. I am one." oh really :lol: how rude ROFLMAO :lol:

""Splatter tests" on bullets are meaningless for shooting in peri-urban and urban areas. It depends on the species, calibre etc which are just as important. You can "splatter" bullets and not humanely kill. And the test is highly subjective. WHAT if you miss?"

the idea is not to miss but if you miss the frangible bullet disintegrates and there is no problem, but you should know this shouldn't you
l do not even believe you have said this, you are saying that using frangible bullets is a bad idea :crazy:
like it does not compute unless it is written down in a unit of competency and yet big note yourself as if you are the only one who knows anything,
maybe you can explain this to LRD, senior police and army personnel who require the test be done before a job is given the ok
you come across as a desk jockey who has got a few tickets to get a job but no has real world experience
l have already told you the pros who l work for are not ssaa farmer assist and neither am l :wtf:
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Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 5:15 pm

Grandadbushy wrote:Yeah well animalpest when you reach 60yr old then the splatter goes out of the projectile actually come to think of it i doubt there is even a projectile any more :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :drinks:


I certainly don't have that problem. :thumbsup:

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Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 5:21 pm

Good on ya OB some people are lucky, i used to put viagra in me tea but can't afford it now and all me bickies are going soggy :thumbsup: :lol: :drinks:
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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 5:34 pm

My only problem is the Mrs electric starter no longer works. (bearings and brushes are worn out I think) So I have to kick start these days and its hard work at my age.

:D :unknown: ;)
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Post by Grandadbushy » 03 Oct 2020, 6:19 pm

You need a cattle prod mate that gets them going no matter how old they are, :) :lol: I better stop giving my secrets away to these younger blokes , might get them into trouble :lol: :silent: never mind hope those 2 shooters in the NT still have a sense of humor after their case finishers :thumbsup:
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Post by Oldbloke » 03 Oct 2020, 7:30 pm

Grandadbushy wrote:You need a cattle prod mate that gets them going no matter how old they are, :) :lol: I better stop giving my secrets away to these younger blokes , might get them into trouble :lol: :silent: never mind hope those 2 shooters in the NT still have a sense of humor after their case finishers :thumbsup:

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You just want me to get a black eye.

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Re: Horses culled by SSAA Hunting party

Post by eddievic » 04 Oct 2020, 9:14 am

Thanks OB and GDB, I need a laugh having a s**t couple of days. So the perfect medicine
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Post by Grandadbushy » 04 Oct 2020, 9:50 am

Your welcome eddievic mate , :drinks: yes it would be draining down there mate, but keep your chin up, it'll be over soon i hope, :thumbsup: By the way i'm waiting to see how OB gets on if he gets up enough courage to use that cattle prod , :unknown: because after using it sometimes it's hard to catch them old girls :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Oldbloke » 04 Oct 2020, 10:03 am

Grandadbushy wrote:Your welcome eddievic mate , :drinks: yes it would be draining down there mate, but keep your chin up, it'll be over soon i hope, :thumbsup: By the way i'm waiting to see how OB gets on if he gets up enough courage to use that cattle prod , :unknown: because after using it sometimes it's hard to catch them old girls :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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