VICPOL:Using their body cams against shooters.

[NSC]

VICPOL have started using their body worn cameras against shooters!

Full story is here

https://nationalshooting.org.au/blog/f/ ... t-shooters


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NSC

[mchughcb]

I won't be surprised when the first police cam porno is leaked to the press.

[marksman]

people should realise that the police are not there to help you if they are giving you a suspension notice especially after all the heavy handed covid antics
do your talking in court no matter how much the police officer wants you to talk, it is the best advice anyone could have, especially in Vic
but as we have seen if you do not give your name now the police will arrest you, apparently things have changed under Danny boys watch

[Member-Deleted]

people should realise that the police are not there to help you if they are giving you a suspension notice especially after all the heavy handed covid antics
do your talking in court no matter how much the police officer wants you to talk, it is the best advice anyone could have, especially in Vic
but as we have seen if you do not give your name now the police will arrest you, apparently things have changed under Danny boys watch

Papers please!

[Oldbloke]

I won't be surprised when the first police cam porno is leaked to the press.

Lol.

I'm sure they get used in heaps of situations. Not just when interacting with LAFO.

[rc42]

A US video titled "Don't Talk to the Police" but relevant everywhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE


Police are not your friends and are never there to help you, their purpose is to enforce laws and the authority of the state and gather enough evidence to secure a prosecution, whether you are guilty or innocent is not a consideration.

[pomemax]

rc42 very real that clip I like the cop in second part

[bladeracer]

VICPOL have started using their body worn cameras against shooters!

Full story is here

https://nationalshooting.org.au/blog/f/ ... t-shooters


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NSC

We should all wear them!

[Codez]

people should realise that the police are not there to help you if they are giving you a suspension notice especially after all the heavy handed covid antics
do your talking in court no matter how much the police officer wants you to talk, it is the best advice anyone could have, especially in Vic
but as we have seen if you do not give your name now the police will arrest you, apparently things have changed under Danny boys watch

Yep you don't talk to cops. Even cops even tell me that. Although tell them who you are which is mandatory Stay quiet, they will use things you say against you and they may link you too a crime

[Member-Deleted]

VICPOL have started using their body worn cameras against shooters!

Full story is here

https://nationalshooting.org.au/blog/f/ ... t-shooters


Thanks

NSC

We should all wear them!

The police will seize them for "evidence" :p, I've even heard people be threatened with court action for recording police officers or a crime (unsure on the legalities of it all). Personally, I'd tell them to get a court order asking me to submit evidence, but I'd probably be classed as resisting and get the hot sauce

[deye243]

I wonder where you would stand if you told them no recording on my premises

[Oldbloke]

I wonder where you would stand if you told them no recording on my premises

Got a feeling they would need a warrant for that.

[bladeracer]

We should all wear them!

The police will seize them for "evidence" :p, I've even heard people be threatened with court action for recording police officers or a crime (unsure on the legalities of it all). Personally, I'd tell them to get a court order asking me to submit evidence, but I'd probably be classed as resisting and get the hot sauce

I started running cameras on my motorcycles in 1990 and was often warned about them being confiscated, but there does actually have to be an offense for them to have grounds, like if they just stopped you for speeding or something.

[Member-Deleted]

We should all wear them!

The police will seize them for "evidence" :p, I've even heard people be threatened with court action for recording police officers or a crime (unsure on the legalities of it all). Personally, I'd tell them to get a court order asking me to submit evidence, but I'd probably be classed as resisting and get the hot sauce

I started running cameras on my motorcycles in 1990 and was often warned about them being confiscated, but there does actually have to be an offense for them to have grounds, like if they just stopped you for speeding or something.

Even still, I'd prefer to hand it to my lawyer first before handing over potentially life saving footage, just so it doesn't get "lost" or "corrupted".

[bladeracer]

We should all wear them!

The police will seize them for "evidence" :p, I've even heard people be threatened with court action for recording police officers or a crime (unsure on the legalities of it all). Personally, I'd tell them to get a court order asking me to submit evidence, but I'd probably be classed as resisting and get the hot sauce

I started running cameras on my motorcycles in 1990 and was often warned about them being confiscated, but there does actually have to be an offense for them to have grounds, like if they just stopped you for speeding or something.

Even still, I'd prefer to hand it to my lawyer first before handing over potentially life saving footage, just so it doesn't get "lost" or "corrupted".

I don't think you get that choice with evidence, it would be easily thrown out if it left the "chain of evidence" from the scene of the offense.

[Member-Deleted]

I don't think you get that choice with evidence, it would be easily thrown out if it left the "chain of evidence" from the scene of the offense.

I guess carry around a device that you can copy the footage onto and keep a lawyers number handy? That way they have unedited footage?

[bladeracer]

I don't think you get that choice with evidence, it would be easily thrown out if it left the "chain of evidence" from the scene of the offense.

I guess carry around a device that you can copy the footage onto and keep a lawyers number handy? That way they have unedited footage?

I always keep Simon Munslow's and Ross Williamson's numbers handy, every firearm owner should!

[Member-Deleted]

Duly noted thank you! I'd probably look at getting a criminal defence lawyer also, as that's generally what you'd need for a situation involving the police I'd imagine.

[Faedy]

^^ I second keeping Ross Williamsons number in your phone.
I needed him urgently a few years ago and he was superb..
His advice is second to none

[Patriot]

It always baffles me how many people sing like canaries when dealing with the coppers. My old man taught me young never talk to the coppers.I have taught my kids the same thing. Any law officer should be answered with “no comment” or silence including local government officers like parking inspectors, local laws officers and the like. They are all recording you.

[Member-Deleted]

Indeed

[marksman]

being unsure of the laws regarding "do you have to talk to police in Australia?" l gave it a google and this is what came up, l dont know if its true, it is the internet
if anyone else has anything else to say about this it would be appreciated

"Talking to the police. If the police ask you for your name and address or to see some identification, generally you don't have to tell them or show them anything. But you must give your name and address to a police officer: If they reasonably believe you've committed a crime."

"An individual who is suspected or accused of committing a crime has the unequivocal right to refuse to say anything to the police and cannot be punished for refusing to do so. Even witnesses are entitled to refuse to speak with the police if they wish."

"Although police can ask you to give your name and address, they must warn you that it's an offence to refuse to do so. If you refuse to give your name and address when police have a right to ask for it, and you have no reasonable excuse for refusing, you'll be committing an offence and could be charged"

"A police officer must always tell you that you are under arrest and explain why you are under arrest. They must also caution you that you do not have to say or do anything, but that if you do, it may be used in evidence against you."

[TassieTiger]

MM - if asked, you must supply your name and address to a police officer and you have every right to ask for identification of the same.
A recent case - a young lady was pulled over for speeding and an officer demanded more information than above from her. She took off - causing a huge police chase. But - she drove to a police station because she was suspicious of the information being demanded of her.
Ended up in court and magistrate sided with her...name and address is mandatory...where / why you going somewhere, nothing to do with them.
Also - if you are placed under arrest - you MUST be advised why, suspicion, and rights. If not - it will be thrown out of court.
It can be over kill but I’ve gotten out of a lot of speeding infringements / parking / traffic offences over the years by simply understanding some aspects of the law better than the officer.

I recall one time - officer x gave my a citation for 117 in a 100 zone. He wrote my reg down where it said licence and vice versus. IF I complained to the police about the error, they would cancel the infringement and reissue (new law passed allows them to do this) but in court, I x examined the officer and asked how he could be reliably certain to operate a complicated lidar when he couldn’t even operate a notebook - magistrate agreed...
Another one - was issued 66 in a 50 zone based on officers estimate of speed. I took drag racing video to court and asked officer to estimate speeds that were verified by laser at willowbank - he got it wrong, magistrate threw it out...
Another one - I got officers phone records and he was on phone at time of my infringement - well, we all know how dangerous phones are whilst operating equipment lol.
I could go on lol. I’m sick - but it’s kind of a challenge at times....and blade racer will attests, modern bikes are just too easy to accidentally break the law.

I’m surprised to hear that NSC have posted this. Please ppl - watch the video that was linked above. There is a very polite way of saying - “I’m sorry officer, I really am and I apologise in advance if this offends you, but I’ve had a previous bad experience and I’m not saying anything else for my safety. “ 9 times out of 10 - they get it.

[Member-Deleted]

I've had that video saved on YouTube for quite a while now.

[SAnewb85]

I give them name and address.

Anything else is answered-
Im happy to cooperate with you when I have a lawyer present.

**Not because I want to cause trouble, but simply to avoid being rail roaded.

I had an issue as a teenager with an overzealous cop. Has lead to an unhealthy distrust of authority.
Having said that, I know plenty of cops these days and most of them are decent people doing a really tough job.