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NSW firearms bill petition

Post by Gamerancher » 11 Feb 2021, 8:30 am

All NSW shooters need to sign this petition.
https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/la/Pa ... kx2rXO8w==
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Post by Bugman » 13 Feb 2021, 4:00 pm

I had a memo from SSAA NSW. I think from memory, any resident in NSW of legal age can also sign it. (correct me if I am wrong, here)
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Post by rc42 » 13 Feb 2021, 6:36 pm

The draft of this bill that I saw a few months ago had some real draconian police state powers in it with police only needing to suspect the presence of 'pre-cursor' tools or materials to be granted unlimited search and seizure without the need for those tiresome warrants.

Freedoms and "rights" are normally removed one small piece at a time, this is a giant hack at them that everyone should be very concerned about.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 13 Feb 2021, 7:15 pm

rc42 wrote:The draft of this bill that I saw a few months ago had some real draconian police state powers in it with police only needing to suspect the presence of 'pre-cursor' tools or materials to be granted unlimited search and seizure without the need for those tiresome warrants.

Freedoms and "rights" are normally removed one small piece at a time, this is a giant hack at them that everyone should be very concerned about.


The time for concern is well and truly over, the time for resistance is now.
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Post by Ziege » 13 Feb 2021, 9:24 pm

rc42 wrote:The draft of this bill that I saw a few months ago had some real draconian police state powers in it with police only needing to suspect the presence of 'pre-cursor' tools or materials to be granted unlimited search and seizure without the need for those tiresome warrants.

Freedoms and "rights" are normally removed one small piece at a time, this is a giant hack at them that everyone should be very concerned about.



exactly its time for every last shooter and firearm collector and enthusiast to dig their heels in like never before.
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Post by Member-Deleted » 13 Feb 2021, 10:09 pm

Amen
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Post by womble » 14 Feb 2021, 5:01 am

Bugman wrote:I had a memo from SSAA NSW. I think from memory, any resident in NSW of legal age can also sign it. (correct me if I am wrong, here)


Anyone residing in NSW.
No other stipulations. No age requirement. No citizenship requirement. No firearm ownership or use requirement.
It’s everyone’s future at stake.

The bill is/was well intended as police in NSW want more ability to tackle criminals manufacturing guns for criminal use.
A valid concern. Unfortunately, it clearly has’nt been drafted with any knowledge of it’s subject matter.

Guns are quite simple to manufacture even with minimal tooling and experience. In reality people have been doing so for at least the last 800 years and likely longer in the east.
I could literally build a gun right now with a pen, paper, box of matches and a ball bearing.
That’s an extreme example, point being common items that anyone might posses could attract unwarranted police attention.
The risk of this is real as evidenced by the bill itself, being drafted with no real knowledge of it’s subject. Can only indicate that hard working police in the field of duty will have no understanding of what it is they are tasked with policing.
The bill in it’s current form is literally embarrassing and we should expect more from a police force tasked with targeting the criminal use of guns.

With all due respect to the police and the amazing work they do with little reward, i would love for them to have anything they needed at their disposal to fight crime. Furthermore to target and come down hard on any illegal use or manufacture of firearms.
But i just can’t support this bill without any protections in place for licenced and legitimate ownership, use, sale, manufacture, industries, sports, clubs etc.
It can only do more harm than good in it’s current form.

Plus, the black market is flooded with cheap chinese gun parts nowadays. Realistically what crook would even bother manufacturing here. Keep up.
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Post by Ziege » 14 Feb 2021, 11:35 am

womble wrote:Plus, the black market is flooded with cheap chinese gun parts nowadays. Realistically what crook would even bother manufacturing here. Keep up.



aint this the truth, my 2nd Cousin is TI and has worked as a commercial fisherman his whole life as did his father who is my direct cousin. over their combined time as mariners in the torres strait he/they have seen and heard and encountered many a trade out of sight of customs and so on. its always been a common occurrence and only gets more sophisticated as time goes by, and thats only one small part of the coast line, can only imagine what comes in through customs (forget the percentage but something pathetic like only 8% gets checked), and other vessels etc.
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Post by womble » 14 Feb 2021, 2:56 pm

Follow the drugs you follow the guns.
There’s certainly been criminal manufacture of guns in aus, particularly nsw.

But we’re in the age of ice now. Have been deep in it for the last 5 years or so. All the precursors come from Asia.
Ice makes them all super paranoid and that’s where illegal firearms and parts imports exploded.

Moving into the age of designer party drugs. The laws can’t keep up. They simply alter the chemical structure whilst retaining the effects. Cheap synthesised pharmaceuticals. Again, all comes out of Asia.

Where’s theres drugs, theres illegal guns every time now. Gangs and crime syndicates can’t operate without them anymore.
Asian syndicates looking to expand supply that demand.

In the last year the pandemic increased this boom significantly. Can’t smuggle interstate. Australia post really has been the method of choice for some time now.
Asian drugs and gun parts are dirt cheap. The crooks can afford the percentage seized and still a huge turnover. They anticipate as much.

The nsw bill is outdated and based on old information that was largely speculation anyway.

Victoria is taking a different approach. New specialised task force with real intelligence started up late last year and it’s already kicking goals.
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Post by Ziege » 15 Feb 2021, 9:00 am

womble wrote:Follow the drugs you follow the guns.
There’s certainly been criminal manufacture of guns in aus, particularly nsw.

But we’re in the age of ice now. Have been deep in it for the last 5 years or so. All the precursors come from Asia.
Ice makes them all super paranoid and that’s where illegal firearms and parts imports exploded.

Moving into the age of designer party drugs. The laws can’t keep up. They simply alter the chemical structure whilst retaining the effects. Cheap synthesised pharmaceuticals. Again, all comes out of Asia.

Where’s theres drugs, theres illegal guns every time now. Gangs and crime syndicates can’t operate without them anymore.
Asian syndicates looking to expand supply that demand.

In the last year the pandemic increased this boom significantly. Can’t smuggle interstate. Australia post really has been the method of choice for some time now.
Asian drugs and gun parts are dirt cheap. The crooks can afford the percentage seized and still a huge turnover. They anticipate as much.

The nsw bill is outdated and based on old information that was largely speculation anyway.

Victoria is taking a different approach. New specialised task force with real intelligence started up late last year and it’s already kicking goals.



Last of anything I saw from the NSW police top brass and NSW police minister and co, showed that they were completely out of touch with every aspect of illegal firearms. Especially the price, one saying that an automatic firearm costs $15k at a minimum, an automatic pistol costing $15k? yeah no, I can recall even back when I was 18 I was sitting in a bar that I regularly played gigs at, sitting there with the owners son, Troy, and as we sat there with some associates of his dad and like a few times before was offered a 9mm pistol (dont know what make, too young to know or care back then), they only wanted $450 for the gun with two mags and 100 rounds.... Their reason for offering it to me? They knew that I liked guns... and they trusted me cos was good mates with Troy. At no point did I buy it (heck I was a broke student playing in bands, could barely feed myself), but I certainly wasn't looking or seeking out a firearm at the time.

Illegal guns have always been cheap in that regard, now the NSW police officers making those statements might have been acting nefariously in their comments perhaps it did cost $15k for an illegal H&K 416 at the time....
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