bladeracer wrote:womble wrote:Sorry i meant own the farm. Primary producer.
CatC I'm aware of. I could own one semi-auto rimfire rifle and one pump/semi shotgun, if I felt the need to control pests on my own properties. But I can't have CatD unless I'm shooting pests contractually for my livelihood. In both cases though, I could not take my CarC/D firearms for hunting recreationally, or onto any other property than stated for owning them.
I'm not aware that Qld is any different. The handful of videos I've seen of CatD firearms used in Qld have all been held under those same stipulations as we have in Victoria.
Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bladeracer wrote:CatC I'm aware of. I could own one semi-auto rimfire rifle and one pump/semi shotgun, if I felt the need to control pests on my own properties. But I can't have CatD unless I'm shooting pests contractually for my livelihood. In both cases though, I could not take my CarC/D firearms for hunting recreationally, or onto any other property than stated for owning them.
I'm not aware that Qld is any different. The handful of videos I've seen of CatD firearms used in Qld have all been held under those same stipulations as we have in Victoria.
Yes in Queensland you can get Cat C,D and H for primary production. It can only be used on the registered property. The reason being is because it is not fair to pay a pest controller to come onto the property when you can do it yourself. Queensland has a lot of pigs and dogs that can cause massive damage to cattle.
bladeracer wrote:Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:bladeracer wrote:CatC I'm aware of. I could own one semi-auto rimfire rifle and one pump/semi shotgun, if I felt the need to control pests on my own properties. But I can't have CatD unless I'm shooting pests contractually for my livelihood. In both cases though, I could not take my CarC/D firearms for hunting recreationally, or onto any other property than stated for owning them.
I'm not aware that Qld is any different. The handful of videos I've seen of CatD firearms used in Qld have all been held under those same stipulations as we have in Victoria.
Yes in Queensland you can get Cat C,D and H for primary production. It can only be used on the registered property. The reason being is because it is not fair to pay a pest controller to come onto the property when you can do it yourself. Queensland has a lot of pigs and dogs that can cause massive damage to cattle.
Is CatD like CatH up there though, theoretically possible, but practically impossible to actually get?
bladeracer wrote:you are deluded if you believe preventing us from lawfully owning firearms means terrorists and criminals are equally prevented. Where do you think the hundreds of thousands of semi-auto rifles went that were not handed in in 1996? All the AG42's, SKS/SKK's, M1 Carbines, Mini14's, and the other fun stuff that was imported and sold - if they had been handed in, the pile would've been bigger than the single-shot rimfires and guns that were handed in.
So, no, just because somebody _might_ use something to commit an atrocity is _not_ sufficient reason myself, or you, or any other Aussie, shouldn't be able to enjoy owning and using something for lawful purpose.
womble wrote:bladeracer wrote:you are deluded if you believe preventing us from lawfully owning firearms means terrorists and criminals are equally prevented. Where do you think the hundreds of thousands of semi-auto rifles went that were not handed in in 1996? All the AG42's, SKS/SKK's, M1 Carbines, Mini14's, and the other fun stuff that was imported and sold - if they had been handed in, the pile would've been bigger than the single-shot rimfires and guns that were handed in.
So, no, just because somebody _might_ use something to commit an atrocity is _not_ sufficient reason myself, or you, or any other Aussie, shouldn't be able to enjoy owning and using something for lawful purpose.
Works for us.
Tarrant would have killed in Brisbane. He was’nt able to access them through criminals because he was a weirdo/incel and a loner.
Did’nt network with gangs and drug dealers.
He need a licence to buy them and he could’nt get that here.
As for where all the semi-autos went, i think you know the answer.
womble wrote:We’ve always seen mass murders and we always will. No different to in any human society throughout history.
How a particular society views them though is the relevance. Ours is a society of deterrence.
I mentioned a particular mass murder that was carried out with high powered semi auto rifles in 2019 that our gun laws prevented from happening on home soil. A preventative to the means of which the victims were murdered.
Certainly not a preventative to mass murders by any other means.
What i think is irrelevant. To draw a conclusion that political extremists want arms from reading gun forums has no weight. It’s just as likely the posters are anti-gun protagonists.
What asio thinks is of relevance. They have people in the field infiltrating these groups. Therefore the threat is real.
How a government will react to it’s intelligence agencies is to mitigate risk. In this particular example risk mitigation is restrictions on the type of firearms it’s citizens can own.
And i would anticipate further restrictions to come.
I hope that’s a simple enough explanation, cheers.
And no Hugh, theres no Howard safe.
NTSOG wrote:G'day,
MB in Tasmania had a history of significant behavioural issues indicating he presented through childhood and adolescence with the features of a conduct disorder: high risk taking, lack of empathy, cruelty to other people and animals, etc. over and above his intellectual impairment. [His full Scale IQ ( FSIQ) as reported in the forensic psychiatric court report was 64.] He had been seen in his early years by a psychiatrist. He was not Autistic - Asperger's Syndrome as assessed by the forensic psychiatrist. [I worked, in the community and institutions, for 40 years with people like Bryant, some were very dangerous; in fact I had a similar client in 1997 who at age 13 was the most dangerous person I have ever met. However none of my clients had access to firearms though they used other weapons.] Having an FSIQ of 64 doesn't preclude having skills such as being able to drive or fire a rifle, but having a deep understanding of and respect for other people in society is another matter. An IQ of 64 means that MB had a mental age equivalent to a child of about 8-9 years or so. I suspect that when MB was growing up he was the equivalent of the local 'village idiot' - his 'eccentricity' tolerated and indulged by his family and some neighbours in spite of his often dangerous and odd antics which never quite crossed the line legally. Nowadays his actions would see him sent for an intensive psychiatric assessment as the profile of such disturbed children growing up is far better understood. It wasn't when he was a developing child/adolescent. The combination of his severe, but not understood, developmental profile with more relaxed attitudes toward possession of firearms and, especially, lack of specialist services in Tasmania for people such as MB led to the events of 1996. A whole lot of factors came together in Tasmania in 1996 resulting in a mass killing by a 'moron'*.
Jim
* Moron was the clinical term used to describe people at MB's level of FSIQ/development in the early C20.
NTSOG wrote:G'day C_I_C,
Yes intervention and services starting with children is better. However so-called average, though maybe somewhat 'different' or eccentric people cannot be forced to undergo assessment and treatment without due processes being met under the Law, e.g. Guardianship. The obviously disturbed or incompetent are mostly picked up fairly quickly now, but as we know from cases like Ted Bundy in the USA and the bloke in NSW there are some very smart people with murder in their minds whose 'time-on-task' is excellent: they plan and wait their chance and there is damn-all that can be done until it's too late. During early C20 many 'fringe' people were sent to live in institutions where they were 'contained' - legally or otherwise - just because they were 'strange', considered at risk, e.g. 'wayward' teenage girls were placed in institutions to prevent them becoming pregnant, or different, though not 'criminal'. However the last institution in Victoria was shut in 1994 and the people from such places now live in community residences with support. I once worked in a large institution. Every so often a local Magistrate would send some not very bright but street-wise lad who had been caught nicking hubcaps to the institution as gaol wasn't the right and safe place for the slow-witted.
There is no easy answer to the issue of people who might be odd and might present risk to others.
Jim
womble wrote:How a government will react to it’s intelligence agencies is to mitigate risk. In this particular example risk mitigation is restrictions on the type of firearms it’s citizens can own.
And i would anticipate further restrictions to come.
Farmerpete wrote:The old guy at my lgs remembered in Queensland serving guys who'd walk in look at a gun and say "what do I need to do to get it?" His response was have you got a drivers licence and money?.
A gun licence was brought in shortly before 1996 but it was a formality to trak who had a gun, you could still buy and sell them in the paper, no pta or category etc.
As for storage my dad kept an sks with fully loaded mag beside it on the table in the shed.
Never went missing or got messed with by any of the workers it was just part of the farm.
Oldbloke wrote:Farmerpete wrote:The old guy at my lgs remembered in Queensland serving guys who'd walk in look at a gun and say "what do I need to do to get it?" His response was have you got a drivers licence and money?.
A gun licence was brought in shortly before 1996 but it was a formality to trak who had a gun, you could still buy and sell them in the paper, no pta or category etc.
As for storage my dad kept an sks with fully loaded mag beside it on the table in the shed.
Never went missing or got messed with by any of the workers it was just part of the farm.
Mmm, what state was that?
I got my gun licence in 1973 when I turned 18. Just paid over the counter at the local cop shop.
Oldbloke wrote:I used to travel on the Melbourne suburban trains to meet a mate and go hunting for the weekend Reularly carried a soft rifle case. Never even a look sideways. Lol