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Post by Larry » 01 Oct 2022, 11:00 am

mchughcb wrote:Yeah, we can't have liars.


Well it proves to the rest of the world his word is no good via proof rather than just conjecture or hunch. When he says he wont invade any further countries like Moldova perhaps now NATO will get tough.
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Post by cz515 » 02 Oct 2022, 12:15 am

Larry wrote:Well it certainly shows he was lying when he said at the beginning he had no intention of occupying Ukraine. Just a small special military operation NOT.


I am unsure if you bring sarcastic or not

That was always on the agenda to annex/ take over parts of Ukraine
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Post by straightshooter » 02 Oct 2022, 9:01 am

cz515 wrote:That was always on the agenda to annex/ take over parts of Ukraine


That was always on the agenda to annex/ take over parts of Ukraine with predominantly ethnically Russian speaking populations.

There... fixed it for you.
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Post by cz515 » 02 Oct 2022, 2:14 pm

Thanks.

Well even if it wasn't, putin can say that and even if that's all they get he can tell his people he was able to do the job
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Post by Oldbloke » 02 Oct 2022, 4:30 pm

Not going very well for Putin. Will he?

Fukn hope not.

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Post by cz515 » 02 Oct 2022, 5:08 pm

Hmm putin having a bad time you say.

Except the rubel is the strongest is ever been. All the sanctions are not working. Russia is selling oil, gass and now wheat. And infact due to the price increases they are actually making more money now then ever before. They are holding referendum to amex Ukrain territories.

On the other hand uk pound has tanked to the lowest its been in decades. USA is guaranteed to have a recession in 2023, people are experiencing the biggest energy and food cost increases in decades. And house values are falling all the while it's being harder to get a loan.

But those people who believe covid in 2020 is responsible for the cost of fuel, the cost increases of food and thus the rampant inflation.... they also believe that Russia is losing or already lost the war
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Post by cz515 » 02 Oct 2022, 5:28 pm

Ohh and sorry i forgot to mention.

Credit Suisse one of the biggest European banks is tethering on a collapse... while Russian economic system chuggs along
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Post by Oldbloke » 02 Oct 2022, 6:12 pm

cz515 wrote:Ohh and sorry i forgot to mention.

Credit Suisse one of the biggest European banks is tethering on a collapse... while Russian economic system chuggs along

You may, or may not be correct. But it doesn't matter how good the economy is if there are no people.

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Post by mchughcb » 02 Oct 2022, 6:51 pm

Looks like a traffic jam of people fleeing Victoria from Andrews lockdowns.
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Post by Oldbloke » 02 Oct 2022, 7:17 pm

mchughcb wrote:Looks like a traffic jam of people fleeing Victoria from Andrews lockdowns.



Na, they are all from WA trying to get into Vic.
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Post by MtnMan » 03 Oct 2022, 6:05 am

mchughcb wrote:Looks like a traffic jam of people fleeing Victoria from Andrews lockdowns.



It's on their number plates- 'Victoria- The place to flee'
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Post by cz515 » 03 Oct 2022, 6:48 am

Lolz mtn and mchughcb.


The reason they are trying to flee is only due to conscription. And the result will be same if any country introduced conscription during a war. Seriously if you are going to use an argument against atleast think about it for a second cuz you just look like a sheeple otherwise
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Post by mchughcb » 03 Oct 2022, 8:13 am

Some are supposedly leaving but most are reporting to duty as you would expect.
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Post by cz515 » 03 Oct 2022, 10:59 am

mchughcb wrote:Some are supposedly leaving but most are reporting to duty as you would expect.


He just looked at the headline and didn't read the rest of the article
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Post by Lazarus » 05 Oct 2022, 5:58 pm

cz515 wrote:Hmm putin having a bad time you say.

Except the rubel is the strongest is ever been. All the sanctions are not working. Russia is selling oil, gass and now wheat. And infact due to the price increases they are actually making more money now then ever before. They are holding referendum to amex Ukrain territories.

On the other hand uk pound has tanked to the lowest its been in decades. USA is guaranteed to have a recession in 2023, people are experiencing the biggest energy and food cost increases in decades. And house values are falling all the while it's being harder to get a loan.

But those people who believe covid in 2020 is responsible for the cost of fuel, the cost increases of food and thus the rampant inflation.... they also believe that Russia is losing or already lost the war


Yes, that's why there are such long queues of people lining up to get into Russia.

Oh wait........
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Post by cz515 » 06 Oct 2022, 10:21 am

Come on laz...i answered already.

One word..... conscription.


Anyway all any of the world's largest companies if tomorrow the US restrictions are removed...or they won't get into trouble... all would jump at the opportunity.
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Post by Lazarus » 06 Oct 2022, 10:52 am

cz515 wrote:Come on laz...i answered already.

One word..... conscription.


Anyway all any of the world's largest companies if tomorrow the US restrictions are removed...or they won't get into trouble... all would jump at the opportunity.


Ah sorry mate, sometimes my humour is only funny in my head.

I actually think that Vlad the Defenestrator is turning the whole world against everything Russian.

Now there are some who'll say the below is Ukrainian cyber/psychological warfare, but with the ICC having documented over 60,000 distinct war crimes committed by the average Russian soldiers, I think it gives a view into the Russian mind.

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Post by Oldbloke » 06 Oct 2022, 3:48 pm

Long winded. But interesting stuff about how well, or badly Russian military is going.

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Post by Lazarus » 09 Oct 2022, 10:15 am

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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Oct 2022, 10:39 am

Lazarus wrote:https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1578636142055870464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1578636142055870464%7Ctwgr%5E5d10d62727f8b3d6330fb6f5a60880bca9de82bb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2022-10-09%2Fkerch-bridge-attack-sparks-anger-in-russia%2F101516012


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Post by Lazarus » 09 Oct 2022, 10:54 am

Bugger, try this one, it works for me.


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Post by straightshooter » 09 Oct 2022, 11:16 am

I wonder if the driver(s) of the truck knew he was on a suicide mission.
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Post by Billo » 09 Oct 2022, 11:22 am

Its Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday Mr President next to a burning Bridge that connects Russian to Ukraine.

I prefer this one :drinks: Slava Ukraini !!

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Post by Lazarus » 09 Oct 2022, 11:27 am

Billo wrote:Its Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday Mr President next to a burning Bridge that connects Russian to Ukraine.

I prefer this one :drinks: Slava Ukraini !!

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Post by straightshooter » 09 Oct 2022, 11:40 am

This one is bound to upset a wider spectrum of people.
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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Oct 2022, 1:18 pm

[quote="Lazarus"]Bugger, try this one, it works for me.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1578636142055870464[/quote

Lol. I had seen that one
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Post by JohnV » 09 Oct 2022, 2:41 pm

It would be physically impossible for China to move an invasion force over 4500 kilometers without being detected a long way from our coast . Aircraft , ships , submarines are all detectable especially in large groups . Aussat covers the whole of the North , Pine Gap tracks submarines . US and five eyes intelligence covers the whole of the Pacific . Russia can not even maintain good logistics right next door so it would be a nightmare for China to protect supply lines over a minimum of 4500 ks. in length being attacked by Nuclear subs at sea , Collins class closer in and F35 fighters not to mention allies.
Then they would need to maintain an advance over land a minimum of 3000 ks within the country to get near the Eastern seaboard to control the country . Rommel could not maintain his advance in a little place like Libya that would be lost in the outback . They might gain a foothold in the North but just like Russia in Ukraine eventually run out of supplies . Invading a small place like Taiwan just across the straight is far easier than invading Australia and holding it .
Getting dragged into a war to protect Taiwan is another issue but in that case the US would be the lead and our role much smaller as far as troops on the ground goes .
Hosting US troops , ships , bombers and supplies etc . would be our more major role . China's economy is slowing badly now and major Western companies are leaving in increased numbers now . That will mean they will not have as much money to throw around in the future and their military power will decrease .
We should take heed of what has transpired in Ukraine and adjust our armaments and storage to hold far greater capacity for the weapons that are winning in Ukraine . Also as a priority we need to build a far larger arms industry that can supply more of our own needs and not rely on the US or UK as much .
Imagine 2 million Aussie Militia armed with Javelins , NLAWS and Stingers ambushing the Chinese in the outback at every turn .
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Post by mchughcb » 09 Oct 2022, 3:00 pm

Nah mate. Only cops should have guns. Covid has shown us this by the police commissioners immediately shutting down ammo sales for our own safety.
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Post by JohnV » 09 Oct 2022, 3:01 pm

JohnV wrote:It would be physically impossible for China to move an invasion force over 4500 kilometers without being detected a long way from our coast . Aircraft , ships , submarines are all detectable especially in large groups . Aussat covers the whole of the North , Pine Gap tracks submarines . US and five eyes intelligence covers the whole of the Pacific . Russia can not even maintain good logistics right next door so it would be a nightmare for China to protect supply lines over a minimum of 4500 ks. in length being attacked by Nuclear subs at sea , Collins class closer in and F35 fighters not to mention allies.
Then they would need to maintain an advance over land a minimum of 3000 ks within the country to get near the Eastern seaboard to control the country . Rommel could not maintain his advance in a little place like Libya that would be lost in the outback . They might gain a foothold in the North but just like Russia in Ukraine eventually run out of supplies . Invading a small place like Taiwan just across the straight is far easier than invading Australia and holding it .
Getting dragged into a war to protect Taiwan is another issue but in that case the US would be the lead and our role much smaller as far as troops on the ground goes .
Hosting US troops , ships , bombers and supplies etc . would be our more major role . China's economy is slowing badly now and major Western companies are leaving in increased numbers now . That will mean they will not have as much money to throw around in the future and their military power will decrease .
We should take heed of what has transpired in Ukraine and adjust our armaments and storage to hold far greater capacity for the weapons that are winning in Ukraine . Also as a priority we need to build a far larger arms industry that can supply more of our own needs and not rely on the US or UK as much .
Imagine 2 million Aussie Militia armed with Javelins , NLAWS and Stingers ambushing the Chinese in the outback at every turn .
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Post by Lazarus » 09 Oct 2022, 3:22 pm

Here's a thought JohnV,

The Chinese are not only smart, they are patient, they plan far longer ahead than western leaders who are only interested in the next election cycle.

Having read Sun Tzu on the art of war, I can envision a far more likely scenario than the fantasy of invading Oz.

They and the Russians have been enemies far longer than they have been friends.

Hypothetical: Xi cosies up to Vlad The Defenestrator, strokes his enormous ego and whispers in his ear about a new Russian empire and promises to have his back in a no limits friendship while he goes about it.

Vlad pulls the trigger on Ukraine, his chaotically corrupt military get chewed up by Ukrainians armed with western weapons, simultaneously drawing down western stocks to critically low levels, while his economy is demolished by sanctions.

Waving one hand in the direction of Taiwan as a distraction to focus attention the wrong way, once the Russians are degraded sufficiently, he moves.
Not against Taiwan, certainly not against Australia, both of which will be counter productive, but into Siberia.

All those untapped resources just waiting to be exploited, no sea in-between, and most importantly, no violent reaction from the west.

Who's going to go to war to protect Russia?
Not NATO, not America, not Australia.

I'm sure there are plenty who'll poke fun at the above, but it seems far more logical and far more in tune with Chinese strategic thinking.

Taiwan isn't going anywhere, plenty of time to deal with that after they've secured a century or two of resources right next door.
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