Police shooting, Bethania QLD

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Police shooting, Bethania QLD

Post by rc42 » 26 May 2021, 12:49 pm

https://mypolice.qld.gov.au/news/2021/0 ... -bethania/

"Police shooting, Bethania
myPolice on May 26, 2021 @ 3:22am
A man has been shot after police answered a call for assistance at Bethania overnight.

Around 11pm last night, May 25, police responded to a Page Street unit block and observed a man inside a unit holding a gun. A woman, who was known to the man, was also present with the man inside the unit.

Officers immediately commenced negotiations.

The man allegedly opened the door and walked towards officers, threatening them with the gun.

Police shot the man and immediately rendered first aid.

The 48-year-old Bethania man was taken into custody and transported to hospital suffering a non-life-threatening wound to his leg.

The woman inside the unit with him was not physically injured.

The Ethical Standards Command is investigating the incident, overseen by the Crime and Corruption Commission."



No further information but almost certainly an unlicensed criminal with unregistered firearms who wasn't too smart.
One gunshot wound to the leg but probably a full mag of 15 emptied in his general direction, the number of shots fired never seems to be reported.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 26 May 2021, 1:05 pm

Who'd want to be a cop, dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.

At face value, it looks like the police involved have done an outstanding job, in the US, they'd have been a casualty.
Brave move shooting a armed mad man in the leg, if drugs involved a leg wound probably wouldn't have stopped him.
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Post by womble » 26 May 2021, 3:28 pm

They were’nt aiming for his leg.
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Post by ZaineB » 26 May 2021, 4:32 pm

no one should ever aim for the leg, it defeats the purpose of needing to have escalated to deadly force. someone who is not wanting to be shot shouldnt be breaking the law. that simple.
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Post by womble » 26 May 2021, 5:46 pm

At least they hit him
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Post by ZaineB » 26 May 2021, 6:03 pm

womble wrote:At least they hit him



yeah I've seen cops at firing ranges having a tinker, Lets just say if I were in a place where they were shooting at bad guys i'd be ducking for cover more than the bad guys were.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 26 May 2021, 7:16 pm

womble wrote:They were’nt aiming for his leg.


Probably didn't allow for the Coriolis effect.
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Post by Devilcv8 » 26 May 2021, 9:02 pm

ZaineB wrote:
womble wrote:At least they hit him



yeah I've seen cops at firing ranges having a tinker, Lets just say if I were in a place where they were shooting at bad guys i'd be ducking for cover more than the bad guys were.

Some of the stories ive heard at the range about police marksmanship, or lack of, is extremly scary. When those same stories include cops being banned from ranges due to the damage they cause due to their inability to hit the target
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Post by rc42 » 26 May 2021, 9:25 pm

There are two main factors that contribute to the generally poor ability of police to hit what they are shooting at.

One is that they just don't practice enough, they are declared 'experts' with very little training and a visit tot he range once per year for a bit of fun with no standards or tests of ability to worry about.

Secondly, they can't focus on the pistol foresight or close one eye and have to react very quickly, their full attention is on what their intended target is doing and how they will justify deadly force when later questioned, it's a stress situation that we as range shooters will never know.


Clearly the solution is for them to spend a lot more time on the range and some do but it has to be their own choice even though 'public safety' would benefit greatly if it were compulsory with mandatory proficiency levels or they're back every day till they meet them.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 26 May 2021, 9:25 pm

Point, hold tightly, close eyes tightly, begin massive flinch, yank trigger.

I know they have a very poor track record with shooting bystanders, failing to humanly destroy an animal with multiple shots and poor form at the range. But im still going with a crack shot cop who values others lives above his own. Come on guys, cut em some slack, there's some firearm enthusiasts amongst them.
This cop nailed the nutter in the leg and saved atleast one life.
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Post by InisBineest » 26 May 2021, 9:45 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Point, hold tightly, close eyes tightly, begin massive flinch, yank trigger.

I know they have a very poor track record with shooting bystanders, failing to humanly destroy an animal with multiple shots and poor form at the range. But im still going with a crack shot cop who values others lives above his own. Come on guys, cut em some slack, there's some firearm enthusiasts amongst them.
This cop nailed the nutter in the leg and saved atleast one life.
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Yeh I'm for the cops on this one. Sounds like they did a bloody good job. Glad only one guy was hurt, and a non fatal shot to the leg, that's impressive. I've heard the stories of cops being a crap shot on the range... But I've seen some pretty bad shots who weren't cops too, and they had no one pointing a gun back at them to raise their stress levels!
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Post by Blr243 » 26 May 2021, 9:55 pm

This is Australia. Not Baltimore ...our officers don’t go around shooting people every second week. They would be lucky to upholster their guns once in their entire career ......it makes sense that most of their training relates to most of their activities in a proportionate manner. Talking carefully to idiots to calM them down , having a bit of a wrestle occasionally , And throwing drunks in the back of their van ...this, and a whole bunch of variable duties likely don’t require a high level of proficiency with a gun. Shall we all spend another 100 million tax payer dollars next year to make sure they can all shoot the head off a dragonfly at 20 m when most will never need to pull they gun out ? There are special department s within our police force that need to be experts with guns ...leave it to them ........general everyday cops just need handguns in case some nutter charges at them with an axe
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Post by ZaineB » 26 May 2021, 10:06 pm

InisBineest wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Point, hold tightly, close eyes tightly, begin massive flinch, yank trigger.

I know they have a very poor track record with shooting bystanders, failing to humanly destroy an animal with multiple shots and poor form at the range. But im still going with a crack shot cop who values others lives above his own. Come on guys, cut em some slack, there's some firearm enthusiasts amongst them.
This cop nailed the nutter in the leg and saved atleast one life.
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Yeh I'm for the cops on this one. Sounds like they did a bloody good job. Glad only one guy was hurt, and a non fatal shot to the leg, that's impressive. I've heard the stories of cops being a crap shot on the range... But I've seen some pretty bad shots who weren't cops too, and they had no one pointing a gun back at them to raise their stress levels!



someone who isnt a cop and a bad shot doesnt matter, who cares if they waste ammo and get escorted off ranges.

cops shoot at people and ricochets, unintentional misses, unintentional discharges, hitting bystanders, hitting peoples property and assets, etc etc etc... that matters, that matters a lot. its actually nothing short of negligence, and any officer who doesn't worry about it and thinks they haven't the need is in my eyes at least negligent. sure some a crack shots, some are firearm enthusiasts, some are naturally skilled, and there is an exception to every rule, but honestly I worry about anyone that has witnessed the sort of pray and spray I have seen and doesnt have genuine concerns that these people are armed in public.
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Post by ZaineB » 26 May 2021, 10:11 pm

Blr243 wrote:This is Australia. Not Baltimore ...our officers don’t go around shooting people every second week. They would be lucky to upholster their guns once in their entire career ......it makes sense that most of their training relates to most of their activities in a proportionate manner. Talking carefully to idiots to calM them down , having a bit of a wrestle occasionally , And throwing drunks in the back of their van ...this, and a whole bunch of variable duties likely don’t require a high level of proficiency with a gun. Shall we all spend another 100 million tax payer dollars next year to make sure they can all shoot the head off a dragonfly at 20 m when most will never need to pull they gun out ? There are special department s within our police force that need to be experts with guns ...leave it to them ........general everyday cops just need handguns in case some nutter charges at them with an axe



taxpayer money? nope, no they should pay for it themselves out of their salary like every other person has to, pilots and so on dont get extra training without paying for it.

tradesmen want better tools and more training with specialty equipment they pay for it, why should cops be any different at all, thats just a lazy notion, If I were a person employed in a manner where I was armed and under circumstances god forbid expected to use said firearm, I would make sure I was proficient all the time. that is just plain good old common sense and the opposite to negligence.

there have been more instances of police needing their firearm than you mentioned here, ask a few, if you live in a quiet area your exception to the rule does not disprove it.
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Post by Blr243 » 26 May 2021, 10:11 pm

About 35 yrs ago when my father used to teach at Canungra, I watched him give a lesson on instinctive shooting to a bunch of Qld police sert officers. They were all useing semi automatic rifles and useing live ammo. They would shoot , dive on the ground , roll over to Ensure they were not in the same position that could been seen by enemy, and shoot again. They were shooting very close too each other , The team in the forward line had their mates behind them , so they were getting Bullets shot very close close either side of them ..but they were not at All nervous and they just did it as if it was just another day....I will never forget what I saw ....I was extremely impressed.... they all definitely knew exactly what they were doing .....without the best training available none of this would have been possible .....an untrained nutter going wild with a rifle in a public place does not have a hope in hell as soon as sert Officers turn up
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Post by Larry » 26 May 2021, 10:13 pm

There was a time when Victorian cops had a reputation of exactly the opposite. They were considered the shoot first and most deadly cops in Australia. No shooting to wound only dead crims never a survivor.
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Post by womble » 27 May 2021, 4:03 am

We should just issue them sawn of shotguns.

No no, i know yes it’s the stress of the intense situation, reacting under pressure. The only way to overcome it is to drill until it becomes muscle memory and the reaction becomes habit.
We probably don’t want that.
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Post by womble » 27 May 2021, 4:10 am

Actually no, f*ck that guy and all the other sum on the streets.
Issue full auto shotguns with drum magazines and mini guns attached to patrol cars. With generous bounties on known scumbags for incentives.
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Post by womble » 27 May 2021, 4:13 am

What the hell, just free guns for everyone who wants to shoot scumbags
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Post by Bugman » 27 May 2021, 8:02 am

I wasn't there at the time of the incident. In the end, coppers were safe, perp is still alive and lives to face the music. Not a bad result, I guess. One thing, as mentioned before, pistol practice on a regular basis would be a distinct advantage, obviously. BUT talking to copper mates, they area (in NSW) restricted to qualifying shoots and that appears to be all. Something to do with funding.......yep the same old government excuse.
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Post by bigrich » 27 May 2021, 12:17 pm

womble wrote:Actually no, f*ck that guy and all the other sum on the streets.
Issue full auto shotguns with drum magazines and mini guns attached to patrol cars. With generous bounties on known scumbags for incentives.



We need Charlie Bronson , Dirty Harry and Robocop

No more scumbags :lol:
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Post by Patriot » 27 May 2021, 12:33 pm

Apparently a couple of rounds went into the unit next door to where this bloke lives. Luckily no one home at the time. At the end of the day a good result for the coppers, the offender is alive and no one else hurt.
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