Texas free for all?

[Oldbloke]

Perhaps I was un clear, or have it wrong. I wasn't talking about self defence, or defence of the home. I think we need better laws in those areas.

I was talking about the citizens taking on the government. Yes there are a lot of gun owners in the US. But if TSHTF could they organise them selves well enough to take on the military? And would they have the resources?

[cz515]

Ok let's look into history, guess what is the largest number of kills a single person has.

Many of you will go 100s, 1000s, nope it was around mid twenties for a non sniper in non war situation.

So relax the illusion of grandeur you have. It's easy to get the army to snub out a militia in multiple parts of America. And as already mentioned Trump did use military and national guard on the streets of America... only it was against the NON gun tottering whites. Next time it could be the other way around... and the blacks/Hispanics and democrats might just say these ppl are crazy let them die.


But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

[womble]

I like the stories where they shoot each other over the tv remote control.
That happens a lot there.

[bah!]

Heh, the moderation on this board is hilariously fragile and white. My comment was deleted and that post about the proud little boys both,

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Ok let's look into history, guess what is the largest number of kills a single person has.

Many of you will go 100s, 1000s, nope it was around mid twenties for a non sniper in non war situation.

So relax the illusion of grandeur you have. It's easy to get the army to snub out a militia in multiple parts of America. And as already mentioned Trump did use military and national guard on the streets of America... only it was against the NON gun tottering whites. Next time it could be the other way around... and the blacks/Hispanics and democrats might just say these ppl are crazy let them die.


But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

Yet you live in a country were the public servant does? So you think the public servant needs to feel safe yet the citizen doesn't?

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Perhaps I was un clear, or have it wrong. I wasn't talking about self defence, or defence of the home. I think we need better laws in those areas.

I was talking about the citizens taking on the government. Yes there are a lot of gun owners in the US. But if TSHTF could they organise them selves well enough to take on the military? And would they have the resources?

Well we know they have the resources They have pretty much anything over there.

Organising would be dependant on the scenario I would guess. The most likely that I could imagine would be some kind of martial law and the military goes door to door which would not take long for the word to spread to other communities.

[ZaineB]

But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

this literally makes no sense, criminals in Australia HAVE guns already.

[duddley75]

I would be all for a law that allows unlimited defense options to anyone breaking into your house.

Well that's how castle doctrine works. My state assumes anyone breaking into your home is there to commit a violent felony and hence you can respond accordingly.

Castle doctrine nips home invasions in the bud.

I am all for that.

I would be shocked if any Australian politician attempted to introduce such a law as they are all weak and spineless when it comes to the crunch. The masses would be horrified, but I bet if you ask the same people as an individual they would give you an answer they dont want a home invasion happening to them.

[cz515]

But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

this literally makes no sense, criminals in Australia HAVE guns already.

Open your eyes, read it again... maybe lay off the XXXX for a few hours.

America has mass shooting in schools, shopping centres and work places, no other western country has the same.

In Australia most reasonable persons would say they could walk anywhere safely during the a day. In America just from the comments on this thread you need a firearm to feel safe.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

Australia has greater percentages of rapes and home invasions. Whilst Americans have greater murder rates. So don't tell me Australia is safer than America, it is just violent in different ways. America has issues with mental health not issues with guns. The Swiss can buy pretty much what the Americans can and they have a high standard of living.

[Oldbloke]

I seriously doubt that the firearm owners would stand up to US military. Yes they have a lot of small arms, but not:

The training
Lots a tanks
Lots a light armoured vehicles
Hort and long range Missiles
Fighter air craft
Bombers
Mobile missiles
Control of satellite systems
Drones with missiles.
Sofisticated communication gear
Uniforms, PPE
Organised command system
The list goes on.

Up rising against government by shooters, nah.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

I seriously doubt that the firearm owners would stand up to US military. Yes they have a lot of small arms, but not:

The training
Lots a tanks
Lots a light armoured vehicles
Hort and long range Missiles
Fighter air craft
Bombers
Mobile missiles
Control of satellite systems
Drones with missiles.
Sofisticated communication gear
Uniforms, PPE
Organised command system
The list goes on.

Up rising against government by shooters, nah.

A large portion of American civilians have military training with combat experience. Tanks and armoured vehicles suck in urban and mountainous terrain.

How did Vietnam and Afghanistan workout? More bombs were dropped on vietnam than in all of ww2 and the locals still won. Technology will never prevail against determined individuals fighting on their home soil.

Again I would bet the Military would disobey orders to go to war against their own citizens.

[cz515]

You see there is a difference... one are fat running on food and petrol.

Afghanistan is a compelling kettle of fish. It is not called the graveyard of empires just as a joke.

And Vietnamese were hardy farmers living a simple life... maybe at that age even Americans could run a gorilla type warfare, but now....... ffs look at the AC tents and other equipment the army left behind in Afghanistan.

Maybe a few individuals sure, but I am taking about as a group. Give them a few weeks once, fuel, food and grog runs out most of them going to be waving the white flag... a few lone loonies can be waited ou

[Oldbloke]

"Again I would bet the Military would disobey orders to go to war against their own citizens."
Communism_Is_Cancer

This is a good point, but some armed citizen would side with the Gov too.

[Communism_Is_Cancer]

This is a good point, but some armed citizen would side with the Gov too.

Yes you a right mate. Americas war against the crown was kind of split. Around a third wanted to be free, around a third wanted to stay with the crown and around a third were indifferent and just wanted to be left alone.

I think the chances of it ever happening a slim at best anyway.

[Oldbloke]

You hear all this talk, but I think in the end that's what it is, just talk.

[ZaineB]

But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

this literally makes no sense, criminals in Australia HAVE guns already.

Open your eyes, read it again... maybe lay off the XXXX for a few hours.

America has mass shooting in schools, shopping centres and work places, no other western country has the same.

In Australia most reasonable persons would say they could walk anywhere safely during the a day. In America just from the comments on this thread you need a firearm to feel safe.

no one should have to give justification for what they use to defend themselves despite what banal laws are in place by pathetic sycophants. Australia has never seen as much sexual assault and home invasions as it does now. Anyone should have the right 150% to use whatever means they deem necessary to defend themselves and families against any criminal young or old, male or female. walking around in the daylight hours is fine almost anywhere, I have spent time in some streets that I would be almost 100% confident you wouldn't go without some sort of escort, yet I was safe there during daylight hours, whether or not its safe 99% of the time or not isn't the point, the right to defend yourself and more so be adequately equipped to do so, should you feel the need should be protected by any and all benevolent governments, especially "democracies", however we do not have benevolent governments.

there are places which almost mirror the usa for gun ownership, and have none of these problems, they are not gun related problems, there are also countries who have the issues you mentioned and no one is allowed to own guns, yet it still happens, people are C#nts get over it and live accordingly. my statement stands, the criminals here, there and everywhere already HAVE the guns and access to them. regardless of law.

[ZaineB]

I seriously doubt that the firearm owners would stand up to US military. Yes they have a lot of small arms, but not:

The training
Lots a tanks
Lots a light armoured vehicles
Hort and long range Missiles
Fighter air craft
Bombers
Mobile missiles
Control of satellite systems
Drones with missiles.
Sofisticated communication gear
Uniforms, PPE
Organised command system
The list goes on.

Up rising against government by shooters, nah.

mate as CIC has cited, I think maybe you watch too much a current affair or something but anyways, guerilla warfare wins almost 100% of the time, only exceptions I know of is muslim separatists in thailand and NPA in the Philippines as being crushed by the governments respectively, in all other circumstances rag tag misfits with bunky worn out small arms win every time. there really is no way to defeat the populations, they vastly outnumber the military in both persons and firearms and ammunition, the USA only has one real tactic and thats destroying infrastructure, they aint gonna trash their own for the sake of a civil war. you are a bit out of touch old man.

[ZaineB]

"Again I would bet the Military would disobey orders to go to war against their own citizens."
Communism_Is_Cancer

This is a good point, but some armed citizen would side with the Gov too.

American politics are so complicated im not even gonna start the lecture, but no, America is widely 50/50 split, but thats very laymans terms, the military are patriotic to the Nation not the government.

[ZaineB]

Maybe a few individuals sure, but I am taking about as a group. Give them a few weeks once, fuel, food and grog runs out most of them going to be waving the white flag... a few lone loonies can be waited ou

woefully incorrect by most metrics, in most circumstances this leads to guerilla versions of piracy and the gradual or brutally fast takedown of the military supply chain for the use by insurgents. and I know a lot of yanks, only a couple are fatties the rest are as fit as anyone else.

[Oldbloke]

I seriously doubt that the firearm owners would stand up to US military. Yes they have a lot of small arms, but not:

The training
Lots a tanks
Lots a light armoured vehicles
Hort and long range Missiles
Fighter air craft
Bombers
Mobile missiles
Control of satellite systems
Drones with missiles.
Sofisticated communication gear
Uniforms, PPE
Organised command system
The list goes on.

Up rising against government by shooters, nah.

mate as CIC has cited, I think maybe you watch too much a current affair or something but anyways, guerilla warfare wins almost 100% of the time, only exceptions I know of is muslim separatists in thailand and NPA in the Philippines as being crushed by the governments respectively, in all other circumstances rag tag misfits with bunky worn out small arms win every time. there really is no way to defeat the populations, they vastly outnumber the military in both persons and firearms and ammunition, the USA only has one real tactic and thats destroying infrastructure, they aint gonna trash their own for the sake of a civil war. you are a bit out of touch old man.

Maybe,,,maybe I'm not. Perhaps I'm not a dreamer.

I'm not holding my breath. I've been hearing about it for all my life. Guess what? Nothing has happened.

[ZaineB]

I dont recall anyone saying it was going to, its merely the reason the government there wont.

[Oldbloke]

I dont recall anyone saying it was going to, its merely the reason the government there wont.

Yep, understand what your saying.

What I'm saying is if shooters ever try most likely fail.

[ZaineB]

I don't think so, you haven't seen how proficient most Americans are with guns I take it.

[bigrich]

But I do feel for you that you live in a country where its soo bad that you actually need to carry a firearm to feel safe.

I rather be in a country where firstly I know I can walk down any street in the middle of the day, and nothing will happen... and when I watch the news the worst I hear is a robbery gone bad where the assailant used non lethal force and the victim is in hospital due to being kicked.

Instead of hearing everyday how some law abiding person was shot dead by a robber for 5 bucks and a packet of smokes/phone or a gunman opened fire in a school or shopping centre killing dozens of innocent people. Just cuz fairies told him, or the teacher gave him a low grade in class

this literally makes no sense, criminals in Australia HAVE guns already.

Open your eyes, read it again... maybe lay off the XXXX for a few hours.

America has mass shooting in schools, shopping centres and work places, no other western country has the same.

In Australia most reasonable persons would say they could walk anywhere safely during the a day. In America just from the comments on this thread you need a firearm to feel safe.

This is my opinion also

[bigrich]

I seriously doubt that the firearm owners would stand up to US military. Yes they have a lot of small arms, but not:

The training
Lots a tanks
Lots a light armoured vehicles
Hort and long range Missiles
Fighter air craft
Bombers
Mobile missiles
Control of satellite systems
Drones with missiles.
Sofisticated communication gear
Uniforms, PPE
Organised command system
The list goes on.

Up rising against government by shooters, nah.

mate as CIC has cited, I think maybe you watch too much a current affair or something but anyways, guerilla warfare wins almost 100% of the time, only exceptions I know of is muslim separatists in thailand and NPA in the Philippines as being crushed by the governments respectively, in all other circumstances rag tag misfits with bunky worn out small arms win every time. there really is no way to defeat the populations, they vastly outnumber the military in both persons and firearms and ammunition, the USA only has one real tactic and thats destroying infrastructure, they aint gonna trash their own for the sake of a civil war. you are a bit out of touch old man.

Guerilla warfare wins if it has the popular support of the people. As for winning 100% of the time I can find exceptions to that.
If you want to read some interesting American history “the battle of Blair mountain “ . Coal miners union against the establishment. They were bombed and straffed by the US Air Force at one point. Interesting reading

[cz515]

mate as CIC has cited, I think maybe you watch too much a current affair or something but anyways, guerilla warfare wins almost 100% of the time, only exceptions I know of is muslim separatists in thailand and NPA in the Philippines as being crushed by the governments respectively, in all other circumstances rag tag misfits with bunky worn out small arms win every time. there really is no way to defeat the populations, they vastly outnumber the military in both persons and firearms and ammunition, the USA only has one real tactic and thats destroying infrastructure, they aint gonna trash their own for the sake of a civil war. you are a bit out of touch old man.

That's a good point you have raised, except I'll add a couple of examples, firstly IRA, the only train they got what they wanted was in the end even their people were over the violence and decided to sit down with the English and try 4 a peaceful resolution. Second is the Tamil tigers in Sirilanka, they were smashed pay badly by the govt. So much so they haven't surfaced ever again.

And any examples you use is of people who didn't have military training, access to latest firearms and were simple people, who normally live in jungle/mountains aka they don't even know most luxuries, hence can survive for long.

Now the point I think are missing is, in a western democracy the people feel safe they have laws that give them an illusion of justice and safety. Crime is an exception not a normal.... and do not need to carry a weapon to feel safe. That might have been necessary in the wild west.

And finally 99.9% of Australians would disagree with you, they do not need to carry a weapon out in public to feel safe.

[cz515]

I will say this thought.

It's OK for you to believe what you believe mate, its not ok to insist that everyone else believe the same as you.

[bigrich]

I will say this thought.

It's OK for you to believe what you believe mate, its not ok to insist that everyone else believe the same as you.

[ZaineB]

mate as CIC has cited, I think maybe you watch too much a current affair or something but anyways, guerilla warfare wins almost 100% of the time, only exceptions I know of is muslim separatists in thailand and NPA in the Philippines as being crushed by the governments respectively, in all other circumstances rag tag misfits with bunky worn out small arms win every time. there really is no way to defeat the populations, they vastly outnumber the military in both persons and firearms and ammunition, the USA only has one real tactic and thats destroying infrastructure, they aint gonna trash their own for the sake of a civil war. you are a bit out of touch old man.

That's a good point you have raised, except I'll add a couple of examples, firstly IRA, the only train they got what they wanted was in the end even their people were over the violence and decided to sit down with the English and try 4 a peaceful resolution. Second is the Tamil tigers in Sirilanka, they were smashed pay badly by the govt. So much so they haven't surfaced ever again.

And any examples you use is of people who didn't have military training, access to latest firearms and were simple people, who normally live in jungle/mountains aka they don't even know most luxuries, hence can survive for long.

Now the point I think are missing is, in a western democracy the people feel safe they have laws that give them an illusion of justice and safety. Crime is an exception not a normal.... and do not need to carry a weapon to feel safe. That might have been necessary in the wild west.

And finally 99.9% of Australians would disagree with you, they do not need to carry a weapon out in public to feel safe.

newsflash, all western societies now are more violent than the "wild west", just a factoid for ya.