Strangedog wrote:A total nothing story to put shooters in a bad light. Disgusting. Does anyone on here actually know someone that has done something like what is supposed to be common place?
Die Judicii wrote:Strangedog wrote:A total nothing story to put shooters in a bad light. Disgusting. Does anyone on here actually know someone that has done something like what is supposed to be common place?
Mate, with all due respect,, I think you need to get more into the real world.
It's NOT a "nothing" story.
Incidents like the reported are unfortunately commonplace.
And yes,,,,,,, apart from the station owners/managers that I referred to in my 1st reply on this thread,,, I do personally know nearly a dozen landowners
in my current near locality that are suffering such things.
But no,, I don't personally know any of the perpetrators.
NTSOG wrote:G'day,
I though quad bikes and the tendency of such vehicles to roll over were killing more people on farms than anything else. As for this story it's a full-on beat-up - which is to be expected from the ABC.
Jim.
Oldbloke wrote:That is total BS. Does not make statistical sense. Someone should lodge a complaint.
1.2% of 100k = 1200 deaths
Even the way it's been quoted is wrong. It's either a percentage or number per 100k, not both.
boingk wrote:
Our gun ownership laws are the envy of the civilised world - we can still have stuff (both longarms and pistols) and yet have one of the (if not the) lowest rates of firearm injury/death/theft/misuse in the world.
- boingk
Madang185 wrote:The real problem is the media who want the headlines. Licensed firearm owners in any country are an easy target, catching those who misuse firearms is another matter entirely. The UK banned private ownership of all handguns in 1997. Handgun related crime in 1998 rose by 7% or thereabouts. Since then not a whisper in the media about handgun related crime, I would bet my bottom dollar that it has continued to rise BUT because it fails to meet the media requirement they refuse to print the truth.
Die Judicii wrote:Strangedog wrote:A total nothing story to put shooters in a bad light. Disgusting. Does anyone on here actually know someone that has done something like what is supposed to be common place?
Mate, with all due respect,, I think you need to get more into the real world.
It's NOT a "nothing" story.
Incidents like the reported are unfortunately commonplace.
And yes,,,,,,, apart from the station owners/managers that I referred to in my 1st reply on this thread,,, I do personally know nearly a dozen landowners
in my current near locality that are suffering such things.
But no,, I don't personally know any of the perpetrators.
on_one_wheel wrote:Iv actually had training in smelling bull$#it from a mile away and in my opinion I'm calling it out as such, I find the claims hard to believe especially given his alleged losses in costs, the frequency of occurrence and alleged encounters with poachers.
What's stopping him calling the police in either direction, giving them a number plate and description.. but no, he'll just argue with them after having shots fired in his general direction and let them move on rather than notifying Port Headland Police... I can smell BS.
If it were genuine, he'd and many others in his position would have endless security cameras (trail cams) on all tracks and a pile of photographic evidence to hand to the police.
I know quite a few pastoralists in the NT, SA and NSW, most of them have trail cams dotted around the place especially around tracks near public roads. They wouldn't hesitate in taking it to the police.
Given there already trespassing laws in place, (noting that many stations have public roads and right of way through them) there's laws on hunting without permission ecc...
There's definitely no need to change gun laws, if it's true what is being said, old mate needs to make an effort to put up some signs and cameras and bust the poaching, trespassing, law breaking scum that are entering his property.
bladeracer wrote:I haven't been following the story at all.
We haven't had a big problem with poaching on our own properties, but poachers do get around here occasionally shooting 'roos on the roads and in the APM plantations. Somebody did manage to steal one of our gates though
But being fired "at" can be very difficult to determine depending on the terrain.
Many years ago I was shooting rabbits with .22LR in a paddock, same place I shot virtually every day.
A few days later I was chatting with the landowner across the road (I hunted foxes, rabbits and crows all over his property also). He mentioned, without rancour, that he'd been concerned I'd been shooting quite close to where he'd been working inside a rainwater tank. I had actually been shooting a good 500m away, and almost directly away from his location - he was NNE of me, I was shooting almost due south, with a major road between us. He also thought I'd been shooting centrefire rather than .22LR - I was shooting Remington Yellow Jackets at the time - 1500fps.
We decided that being inside the steel tank had amplified the sound enormously, giving him an incorrect idea of direction and distance.
Similar effects can come from sound bouncing off hills or rolling down valleys.
So, unless he has evidence of bullets coming close by, such as bullet holes or recovered bullets, it'd be very difficult to be certain he was actually being fired at. Supersonic bullets fired from long range can be easier to determine as the sonic crack has to be relatively close to your position to be heard.
Oldbloke wrote:But there is trespassing and poaching happening. Farmers need to make an attempt to collect some evidence and we probably need a few more cops.
boingk wrote:If you're so inclined (I'm not due to the semi-permenant nature of it but do love the tought of this trick) make a slurry of hot water and local feaces then pour it down the base of the windscreen. Half a cup will do. Now, where does your aircon come from?
- boingk
Die Judicii wrote::lol: Blade Racer,,,,,,,,
Your mention of old mate working in a tank brought a smile to my face.
Unfortunately, if you recall the late 1960's / 70's era,,,,,, there was a lot of bullet vandalism happening on windmill fans and associated tanks.
Back then,,, I would be thinking that working inside a tank might not have been a safe place to be.