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Re: Live ammo on film set?

Post by womble » 01 Nov 2021, 3:24 am

Yeah Bill, solipsism and of superfluous proportion from what i saw.
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Post by bigrich » 01 Nov 2021, 4:41 am

wanneroo wrote:I heard a few clips of Baldwin where he pulled off the road from his hideout in Vermont to talk to the ravenous media and no surprise. He was his usual angry, aggressive self consumed with solipsism, took no accountability or responsibility, just a horrendous accident that was one in a trillion.


Sounds like a Hollywood star’s attitude alright. I remember a interview with some A listers about border policy , as well as other things like firearms laws in the USA. Their attitude was very leftist, coming from people who had body guards and live in secure gated communities I found it very hypocritical and elitist. AB washing his hands of responsibility wouldn’t supprise me at all
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Post by womble » 01 Nov 2021, 5:22 am

This is the clip, where Alec ‘double tap’ Baldwin confronts the nasty paparazzi,
courtesy newscorp media https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-speaks-out-about-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/news-story/6c0be831c3d60d4cf398b681b2dbe361

I think it looks staged and scripted.
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Post by Bill » 01 Nov 2021, 6:16 am

Bladeracer I get why your so worked up by this guy Baldwin, he took your guy down at the last election and your easily triggered by his actions. Try and looking at the incident a little more objectively if you can.....

None of the big USA Movie armorers are apportioning all the blame at Baldwin in a way that would lead to a Manslaughter charge and conviction, he is 1 of 7 Co Producers, Yes he will be liable in a future civil suit if they dont work out a payout sooner. You're unable to get this and seem to be hooked up on some bs you've taken from some online woke brigade. You got it wrong, we get it, move on buddy.
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Re: Live ammo on film set?

Post by cz515 » 01 Nov 2021, 6:27 am

womble wrote:This is the clip, where Alec ‘double tap’ Baldwin confronts the nasty paparazzi,
courtesy newscorp media https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-speaks-out-about-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/news-story/6c0be831c3d60d4cf398b681b2dbe361

I think it looks staged and scripted.


Hes a good actor isn't he... I can just imagine him and his wife and kids cheering on in their house, laughing and singing.

Well that's probably what a few people thinking here.
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Post by bladeracer » 01 Nov 2021, 7:36 am

Bill wrote:Bladeracer I get why your so worked up by this guy Baldwin, he took your guy down at the last election and your easily triggered by his actions. Try and looking at the incident a little more objectively if you can.....

None of the big USA Movie armorers are apportioning all the blame at Baldwin in a way that would lead to a Manslaughter charge and conviction, he is 1 of 7 Co Producers, Yes he will be liable in a future civil suit if they dont work out a payout sooner. You're unable to get this and seem to be hooked up on some bs you've taken from some online woke brigade. You got it wrong, we get it, move on buddy.


I have never heard of your best mate having anything to do with elections, or who "my guy" is supposed to be. My view would be the same regardless of who he is (unlike yours which can change within the length of a sentence), it's just a bonus that this time a complete butt wipe that is known for decades of arseholary might finally have done something he can't buy or threaten his way out of.

What is the "woke brigade"?
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Post by bladeracer » 01 Nov 2021, 7:41 am

cz515 wrote:
womble wrote:This is the clip, where Alec ‘double tap’ Baldwin confronts the nasty paparazzi,
courtesy newscorp media https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-speaks-out-about-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/news-story/6c0be831c3d60d4cf398b681b2dbe361

I think it looks staged and scripted.


Hes a good actor isn't he... I can just imagine him and his wife and kids cheering on in their house, laughing and singing.

Well that's probably what a few people thinking here.


I've been following Jason (Amagansett Press) and his son Ben (Watching the Watchmen) for a couple years. Being from New York, before their two-year road trip, they bumped into our mate a few times around town. Such a ray of sunshine he is, Bill and AB could really be best friends, as long as you are worth a heap of money of course.
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Post by straightshooter » 01 Nov 2021, 7:43 am

Have you ever had a sensible conversation with a "one eyed barracker"?
It's worse than recounting something to a "topper".
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Post by Communism_Is_Cancer » 01 Nov 2021, 9:20 am

bladeracer wrote:
cz515 wrote:
womble wrote:This is the clip, where Alec ‘double tap’ Baldwin confronts the nasty paparazzi,
courtesy newscorp media https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-speaks-out-about-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/news-story/6c0be831c3d60d4cf398b681b2dbe361

I think it looks staged and scripted.


Hes a good actor isn't he... I can just imagine him and his wife and kids cheering on in their house, laughing and singing.

Well that's probably what a few people thinking here.


I've been following Jason (Amagansett Press) and his son Ben (Watching the Watchmen) for a couple years. Being from New York, before their two-year road trip, they bumped into our mate a few times around town. Such a ray of sunshine he is, Bill and AB could really be best friends, as long as you are worth a heap of money of course.


I have literally watched every video and that man can articulate himself perfectly. He is small in stature but has the heart of a lion.

I love how at the post office he always says POW/MIA not forgotten never forget
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Post by bladeracer » 01 Nov 2021, 10:15 am

Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
cz515 wrote:
womble wrote:This is the clip, where Alec ‘double tap’ Baldwin confronts the nasty paparazzi,
courtesy newscorp media https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/alec-baldwin-speaks-out-about-fatal-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins/news-story/6c0be831c3d60d4cf398b681b2dbe361

I think it looks staged and scripted.


Hes a good actor isn't he... I can just imagine him and his wife and kids cheering on in their house, laughing and singing.

Well that's probably what a few people thinking here.


I've been following Jason (Amagansett Press) and his son Ben (Watching the Watchmen) for a couple years. Being from New York, before their two-year road trip, they bumped into our mate a few times around town. Such a ray of sunshine he is, Bill and AB could really be best friends, as long as you are worth a heap of money of course.


I have literally watched every video and that man can articulate himself perfectly. He is small in stature but has the heart of a lion.

I love how at the post office he always says POW/MIA not forgotten never forget


If Americans still believed in their people and their country as Jason does, they would not have any of the problems they have now. It's all driven by the media, and actors happily raping the country of billions of dollars for "entertainment", while doing all they can to tear the country apart.
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Post by bigrich » 01 Nov 2021, 12:19 pm

Agreed BR
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Post by bladeracer » 04 Nov 2021, 8:01 pm

Oldbloke wrote:Now a sabotage theory.

http://www.sportingshooter.com.au/lates ... n%20course


I suspect you posted the wrong link OB.
But sabotage does nothing to absolve the shooter, unless it was done in some way that left the bore and chambers clear during inspection.
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Post by womble » 05 Nov 2021, 3:28 am

Ah yes the sabotage theory.
Absolves everyone involved of blame.
Money well spent on good lawyers. They found an amicable solution for all parties.

Personal theory, a second armorer behind the grassy knoll.
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Post by Oldbloke » 05 Nov 2021, 7:47 am

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Post by Oldbloke » 09 Nov 2021, 6:39 pm

What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638
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Post by bladeracer » 09 Nov 2021, 9:00 pm

Oldbloke wrote:What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638


Yep, the leftist attitude of it's always somebody else's fault. I didn't care enough about being safe for other people to be around, so I killed somebody and now I care even less.
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Post by womble » 10 Nov 2021, 3:17 am

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Post by straightshooter » 10 Nov 2021, 6:20 am

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638


Yep, the leftist attitude of it's always somebody else's fault. I didn't care enough about being safe for other people to be around, so I killed somebody and now I care even less.

Yes, it is the woke/modern variant of 'the devil made me do it'.
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Post by Bill » 10 Nov 2021, 7:52 am

I see your still getting Triggered bladeracer :lol: you sure are WOKE :lol:

Far from calling for a ban on real weapons on set AB has only suggested a Police presence, I doubt a Police officer would be any more competent than a full time Armorer.
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Re: Live ammo on film set?

Post by Oldbloke » 10 Nov 2021, 9:54 am

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638


Yep, the leftist attitude of it's always somebody else's fault. I didn't care enough about being safe for other people to be around, so I killed somebody and now I care even less.


Nothing to do with leftist mate. I've sat in plenty of management meetings of fairly largish companies regarding OHS and not unusual at all for top brass to blame everyone else. Even deny legal liability or any responsibility at all.

Trouble is, you can say what you want as many times as you like. It doesn't change the truth/facts.
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Post by bladeracer » 10 Nov 2021, 10:04 am

Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638


Yep, the leftist attitude of it's always somebody else's fault. I didn't care enough about being safe for other people to be around, so I killed somebody and now I care even less.


Nothing to do with leftist mate. I've sat in plenty of management meetings of fairly largish companies regarding OHS and not unusual at all for top brass to blame everyone else. Even deny legal liability or any responsibility at all.

Trouble is, you can say what you want as many times as you like. It doesn't change the truth/facts.


Hmmm...I thought that was "leftist" though, refusing to accept responsibility for anything. The right side of politics seems to push the view pretty hard that taking responsibility for your actions is very important?
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Nov 2021, 10:43 am

bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:
bladeracer wrote:
Oldbloke wrote:What nonsense. Workplaces need to manage their own safety issues.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-09/ ... /100606638


Yep, the leftist attitude of it's always somebody else's fault. I didn't care enough about being safe for other people to be around, so I killed somebody and now I care even less.


Nothing to do with leftist mate. I've sat in plenty of management meetings of fairly largish companies regarding OHS and not unusual at all for top brass to blame everyone else. Even deny legal liability or any responsibility at all.

Trouble is, you can say what you want as many times as you like. It doesn't change the truth/facts.


Hmmm...I thought that was "leftist" though, refusing to accept responsibility for anything. The right side of politics seems to push the view pretty hard that taking responsibility for your actions is very important?


Left is unions, right is the elete and management.
Some companies accept responsibility, usually ASX,,,many try to dodge it as it's considered an addional cost thereby reducing profit. And when there is a serious incident, they are the first to ph the lawyers.
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Post by cz515 » 10 Nov 2021, 12:24 pm

bladeracer wrote:......
The right side of politics seems to push the view pretty hard that taking responsibility for your actions is very important?



So is Trump and then republican party a left leaning party. Damn I am confused
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Nov 2021, 12:42 pm

cz515 wrote:
bladeracer wrote:......
The right side of politics seems to push the view pretty hard that taking responsibility for your actions is very important?



So is Trump and then republican party a left leaning party. Damn I am confused


The party names over there are confusing for us in AU.
We would consider republican as leaning left (socialist) here in AU. Over in USA republicans are leaning right or if you like conservative.
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Post by womble » 10 Nov 2021, 4:19 pm

Haha it depends. Yes a republic is left, very left.
But republicans and the democrats are both right leaning today.
But the republicans have gone far right.
Technically the liberals are also right leaning. But not from a conservative ( far right ) viewpoint.
The US particularly, plus our own and europe, uk democracies are actually very socialist. Much, much moreso than china or russia.
There’s not really any Marxism left in the world, except maybe Cuba, a few small pissant South American countries perhaps.
Most of the free world has some measure of socialist democracy but liberal economies.

It’s not a political trait to shift blame, its a character trait.

Alec “double tap” Baldwin is a vegan. Therefore i say he’s a lefty haha.
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Post by Oldbloke » 10 Nov 2021, 4:52 pm

"It’s not a political trait to shift blame, its a character trait"

Spot on. I actually meant to say that in my earlier post.
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Re: Live ammo on film set?

Post by bladeracer » 02 Dec 2021, 4:33 pm

Watching a movie and saw a scene that reminded me of this :-)

https://youtu.be/r60FRUHacX4
At 53:40, a tank is firing into a machinegun position in a brick cellar. The scene replaces the actors with dummy corpses, then proceeds to blow chunks out of the brickwork of a "sterile" set. I'm certain that is live ammo chewing the bricks up. I can't see any way, even today, to use pyrotechnic effects to give the appearance of a whole bunch of "bullets" hitting the same place in a rapidly disintegrating brick wall. Trying to stack a half-dozen charges literally on top of each other, without them all being displaced by the detonations would be virtually impossible, particularly when weighed against the ease of filming real bullets being fired into the confines of a bunker built just for that purpose.

Actually, as they even removed the MG08 from the scene, it's probably that very gun doing the shooting.


bladeracer wrote:Live ammo has been used in movies also, although very rare to find it documented. Sometimes it's just a hell of a lot easier to get a puff of sand by firing a bullet at a hill side than get an armourer and a pyro team out and cordon off several acres of land for a day.
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Post by Larry » 02 Dec 2021, 5:03 pm

The latest is that AB says he didnt pull the trigger. He went as far as saying he would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. So we have another of those magic guns that just go off by themselves.
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Post by Oldbloke » 02 Dec 2021, 5:22 pm

Larry wrote:The latest is that AB says he didnt pull the trigger. He went as far as saying he would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. So we have another of those magic guns that just go off by themselves.


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