Communism_Is_Cancer wrote:A good video from gun Jesus about movie firearms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOUrRT ... e=youtu.be
Lsfan wrote:I think it's harsh to blame Alec Baldwin. Like someone said, they employ other people to do all the checks and ensure safety. But yes the fact that they would have live ammo and blanks together seems so stupid. Is it perhaps the relaxed laws in the US that would allow this to happen?
What would happen if you had your car serviced, then ran over and killed someone because the brakes failed and they later found that the mechanic had done something wrong?
Lsfan wrote:Fair enough. He does seem like a bit of a d.ck at the best of times, but still a very unfortunate event if you are supposed to have professionals protecting people against such incidents.
Now I'm imagining Baldwin mocking Trump. Yeah he is a d.ck!
bladeracer wrote:Lsfan wrote:Fair enough. He does seem like a bit of a d.ck at the best of times, but still a very unfortunate event if you are supposed to have professionals protecting people against such incidents.
Now I'm imagining Baldwin mocking Trump. Yeah he is a d.ck!
That's the mentality the left are trying to push society to, everything is always somebody else's fault, zero responsibility for what you do, regardless of the consequences.
Lsfan wrote:bladeracer wrote:Lsfan wrote:Fair enough. He does seem like a bit of a d.ck at the best of times, but still a very unfortunate event if you are supposed to have professionals protecting people against such incidents.
Now I'm imagining Baldwin mocking Trump. Yeah he is a d.ck!
That's the mentality the left are trying to push society to, everything is always somebody else's fault, zero responsibility for what you do, regardless of the consequences.
He's an actor, that's why other people are employed for other purposes. Otherwise what is the point of those other people if they can't be trusted in their profession?
bladeracer wrote:
I have long held that people that are against firearm ownership are so because they know they could never be trusted in control of a firearm, whether they are simply afraid of things, or have anger issues, or addictions, are just ugly souls that hate everything and everybody else, or simply they hate other people having the freedoms to do and believe what they want to. They assume that the rest of us are the same, thus nobody can be trusted with firearms.
Diamond Jim wrote:"All these hollywood losers who want to ban guns yet have no concept of firearm safety. What kind of sycophant just takes someones word for it that the firearm is clear and does not check it themself."
If actors could be trusted to know even basic firearm safety maybe this would make sense. The fact is, most "artistic" types are anti-gun and probably never handle one unless on a film set or stage.
That's why a professional armourer is required to ensure safety. I seriously doubt that an actor would even be allowed to check the condidion of a firearm he/she was handed by the armourer (note: the armourer should hand over the firearm not the assistant director - WTF is anyone apart from the armourer and the actor doing touching a firearm on set?).
To safety check a SA revolver would mean completely unloading it and reloading. The actor would/should never be allowed to do that because it provides the opportunity to introduce an incorrect round (and the armourer would have to unload/reload again!).
Bill wrote:FFS an armourer is employed for gun safety on a Movie set, no different to having an explosive expert rig and check things that go bang or do we also want the Actor checking these aswell. There were safe guards which were in place but were clearly ignored and if talk of people plinking with live ammo is true then the AD and Armourer in for a world of Butt hurt.
ThePlinkster wrote:Baldwin
cz515 wrote:I am not an expert at this topic.
But I assume the reason for an armour is due to liability and as a safety requirements. Its not the responsibility of the actor to be checking the firearm.
Just imagine a scene a connivance is about to shoot a cop, considering every scene is probably had multiple takes, the actor trying to remember the lines, trying to be in the zone to shoot. And then trying to check the firearm before firing.... hmm
Anyway going back to the armourer, she is the daughter of some famous Hollywood armourer and been trained by him since she was quite young so probably been doing this for 10+ years.
Which leads me to think she was either inexperienced, bad at authority as allowing people to shoot live bullets. Or the whole movie was a s**t show.
And something like this just an accident away. A sad accident indeed.
disco stu wrote:I'm also a bit shocked that the assistant producer would pick up a firearm and call out that it's unloaded without checking if it is first.
I've no idea what goes on when making movies, but I thought the armourer would be the only one to hand firearms over to actors etc. Part of me wonders if the assistant producer or someone else higher up was a "shut your mouth and do what I tell you" type, and the armourer being young might not have stood up to them.
Part of me feels that the buck would stop with the person claiming the firearm is unloaded and safe to the whole crew
bladeracer wrote:
I think it's great karma myself.
He has been vocally anti-gun for decades, while enjoying the fruits of selling firearms to the public by virtue of using them in his movies.
wanneroo wrote:bladeracer wrote:
I think it's great karma myself.
He has been vocally anti-gun for decades, while enjoying the fruits of selling firearms to the public by virtue of using them in his movies.
Alec Baldwin is probably one of the biggest arrogant jackwads out there and with an explosive temper.
Ironically if he had joined the NRA and had learned some basic gun safety and gun handling skills this never would have happened. But instead he labels NRA members as 'nazis'.
And well look where he is now, under New Mexico law he's probably getting charged.
I don't feel the least bit bad about his situation, only the victims. He's going to be facing a large amount of civil and criminal litigation.
Diamond Jim wrote:Yes, he's an ass but someone is dead that shouldn't be. This isn't about ramming it up the anti's but should be a lesson to those of us who want to keep our privileges to be ever more vigilant that we always observe safe gun handling and never get complacent.