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Media are a big part of our problems

Post by Lazarus » 19 Nov 2022, 2:27 pm

The virtually universally uninformed media who report on firearm related issues are a big part of the misperceptions of the non-shooting public.

The article below is but a mild example.

Firstly calling a semi automatic rifle an "assault rifle" for dramatic license, that's the bad thing.
Then they make another mistake, albeit on the better side by stating that these "asault rifles" had a rate of fire of 40 rpm.
For an arthritic pensioner perhaps.
Apparently meeting a deadline is still more important than being factual.



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Post by on_one_wheel » 19 Nov 2022, 2:52 pm

They're just pushing a left wing agenda, it's nothing new.

They do it at every level, they even want to tell us how we should feel about politicians, look at thr lack of media pressure on our current PM, anyone would think they're happy now Labor is in.
Ask most people what they think of Donald Trump, they'll say he's a "dangerous idiot, he's a fool, hes stupid"....then ask them "why ?" just watch the blank stares when they don't have an answer :lol:

I prefer news to be given without bias, tell us the facts and leave us to decide what emotions we think are appropriate.
One of the worst offenders on AU TV is The Project, I can't stand more than a few seconds of that rubbish.
Many AM radio jockeys are equally as bad, spraying venom and making their opinions known, it's just trashy form.
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Post by Lazarus » 19 Nov 2022, 3:55 pm

Wellll, not wanting to start a tangential argument but I think The Anus Tangerinus is a dangerous loon myself.

He wanted to "drain the swamp", that sounds good if he had any idea of taking it further than a slogan.
There's the 30,573 proven lies he told while in office, verified by several independent fact checkers, left and right oriented.

There's the long standing treaties that have kept general warfare at bay that he either endangered or damaged.
The tariff war he started with China only hurt Americans who were the ones who had to pay the tariffs.
Etc
The biggest damage was to the concept of democracy itself, we are talking about someone willing to resort to armed rebellion to overturn an election result.

I'm not trying to claim Sleepy Joe is perfect, I keep waiting for him to break a hip when he tries that little tottering jog, but even Trump's own immediate family want nothing to do with a rerun of the 2016-20 dumpster fire.

But, that's just my personal perspective, I know there are many who believe the sun comes up when he bends to place a ball on a tee and that's fine too.

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Post by on_one_wheel » 19 Nov 2022, 4:19 pm

I think you've been watching too much TV :thumbsup:
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Post by No1Mk3 » 19 Nov 2022, 4:37 pm

Don't know what you're carrying on about? Perhaps they called the short barreled semi-auto centre-fire rifles with attached bayonets and 30 rnd mags "assault rifles" not for "dramatic licence" but because that is exactly what an SKK is? Simonov himself described it as such in 1949. As for political bias, all the lefties I know are shooters but less than half the right=wingers I know like guns, the others are pro-Liberal Party anti-gunners who still think Howard was right, just as they think George Bush was right to ban this very rifle from being imported into the US in 1989 due to it being an "assault rifle". Our newspaper, The Herald Sun, has always been anti-gun and it is very much a right wing editors paper, but no worse than the left wing idealogues at the ABC when it comes to disparaging gun owners. Just accept most media, especially anything to do with Murdoch, don't like us.
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Post by bigpete » 19 Nov 2022, 4:46 pm

Lazarus wrote:Wellll, not wanting to start a tangential argument but I think The Anus Tangerinus is a dangerous loon myself.

He wanted to "drain the swamp", that sounds good if he had any idea of taking it further than a slogan.
There's the 30,573 proven lies he told while in office, verified by several independent fact checkers, left and right oriented.

There's the long standing treaties that have kept general warfare at bay that he either endangered or damaged.
The tariff war he started with China only hurt Americans who were the ones who had to pay the tariffs.
Etc
The biggest damage was to the concept of democracy itself, we are talking about someone willing to resort to armed rebellion to overturn an election result.

I'm not trying to claim Sleepy Joe is perfect, I keep waiting for him to break a hip when he tries that little tottering jog, but even Trump's own immediate family want nothing to do with a rerun of the 2016-20 dumpster fire.

But, that's just my personal perspective, I know there are many who believe the sun comes up when he bends to place a ball on a tee and that's fine too.

Vive la difference


Yep, he's a nut case......perfectly suited for America.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 19 Nov 2022, 4:47 pm

First roo shooting rifle I ever swung was a SKK
We had a pair of them, loads of 30 shot mags, big boxes of milsurp ammo ... it was definitely an assault against the roos that were in plague proportion around Wilcannia in 94
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Post by on_one_wheel » 19 Nov 2022, 5:25 pm

WhiteHouse.gov
As of January 2021

Trump Administration Accomplishments
Unprecedented Economic Boom
Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.
Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.
Rebuilding and investing in rural America.

Signed an Executive Order on Modernizing the Regulatory Framework for Agricultural Biotechnology Products, which is bringing innovative new technologies to market in American farming and agriculture.
Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.
Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns.

An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.
During the third quarter of 2020, the economy grew at a rate of 33.1 percent – the most rapid GDP growth ever recorded.
Since coronavirus lockdowns ended, the economy has added back over 12 million jobs, more than half the jobs lost.
Jobs have been recovered 23 times faster than the previous administration’s recovery.
Unemployment fell to 6.7 percent in December, from a pandemic peak of 14.7 percent in April – beating expectations of well over 10 percent unemployment through the end of 2020.
Under the previous administration, it took 49 months for the unemployment rate to fall from 10 percent to under 7 percent compared to just 3 months for the Trump Administration.
Since April, the Hispanic unemployment rate has fallen by 9.6 percent, Asian-American unemployment by 8.6 percent, and Black American unemployment by 6.8 percent.
80 percent of small businesses are now open, up from just 53 percent in April.
Small business confidence hit a new high.
Homebuilder confidence reached an all-time high, and home sales hit their highest reading since December 2006.
Manufacturing optimism nearly doubled.
Household net worth rose $7.4 trillion in Q2 2020 to $112 trillion, an all-time high.
Home prices hit an all-time record high.
The United States rejected crippling lockdowns that crush the economy and inflict countless public health harms and instead safely reopened its economy.
Business confidence is higher in America than in any other G7 or European Union country.
Stabilized America’s financial markets with the establishment of a number of Treasury Department supported facilities at the Federal Reserve.

Yeah Trump ... what a looser.
The media everyone has been parroting sure got it right :thumbsup:

The Murdoch's of the world hated him because he was coming down hard on the elites,
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Post by bladeracer » 19 Nov 2022, 6:19 pm

It's a shame Trump is running for the US again, I want him to come down and fix our corrupt government!
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Post by Lazarus » 19 Nov 2022, 6:45 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:Don't know what you're carrying on about? Perhaps they called the short barreled semi-auto centre-fire rifles with attached bayonets and 30 rnd mags "assault rifles" not for "dramatic licence" but because that is exactly what an SKK is? Simonov himself described it as such in 1949. As for political bias, all the lefties I know are shooters but less than half the right=wingers I know like guns, the others are pro-Liberal Party anti-gunners who still think Howard was right, just as they think George Bush was right to ban this very rifle from being imported into the US in 1989 due to it being an "assault rifle". Our newspaper, The Herald Sun, has always been anti-gun and it is very much a right wing editors paper, but no worse than the left wing idealogues at the ABC when it comes to disparaging gun owners. Just accept most media, especially anything to do with Murdoch, don't like us.


Fair enough No1, if you want to be pedantic about it, once upon a time, 1947ish, yes it was called an assault rifle.

My point, perhaps improperly expressed for some, was that the average non-shooting public think of an assault rifle as something capable of full rock and roll and as such, it sounds more dramatic than just calling it a semi auto.
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Post by Lazarus » 19 Nov 2022, 7:03 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:Yeah Trump ... what a looser.
The media everyone has been parroting sure got it right :thumbsup:

The Murdoch's of the world hated him because he was coming down hard on the elites,


I'm not going to argue over a politician in another country that neither of us can vote for OOW, I hate all of them, left, right and centre.
They're all just whores in it for personal gain and power.

Murdoch helped get him into office in 2016, it's only his detachment from reality that has made Murdoch and even his own family cut links.

What truly amazes me is the number of Australians who arc right up at the slightest criticism of him and who'll seeminly fight you to the death over him.

It's a mad, mad world.
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Post by on_one_wheel » 19 Nov 2022, 9:56 pm

bladeracer wrote:It's a shame Trump is running for the US again, I want him to come down and fix our corrupt government!


Make Australia great again
Someone like Andrew Forest would be awsome.
Unfortunately lawyers move into politics. Those slimy pricks end up running the country and their only skill is arguing, zero business sense and a thirst for money and power.

Unfortunately most smart businessmen like Andrew probably wouldn't be interested in taking a masdive pay cut to sit in a room of rambling imbeciles.
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Post by bladeracer » 19 Nov 2022, 10:18 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
bladeracer wrote:It's a shame Trump is running for the US again, I want him to come down and fix our corrupt government!


Make Australia great again
Someone like Andrew Forest would be awsome.
Unfortunately lawyers move into politics. Those slimy pricks end up running the country and their only skill is arguing, zero business sense and a thirst for money and power.

Unfortunately most smart businessmen like Andrew probably wouldn't be interested in taking a masdive pay cut to sit in a room of rambling imbeciles.


That is exactly the issue in our political system, it attracts the very people that shouldn't be involved, and pushes away those that we need.
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Post by bigrich » 20 Nov 2022, 5:31 am

oh good lord , let's not let this topic turn into a politics/trump rant . they are all as bad as each other . :roll:

i saw a news story the other day about a fisherman in nsw that pulled a heap of ammo out of a creek . he was qouted as saying "guns are banned in australia " . it was on yahoo .
another lie repeated in the media . :cry:
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Post by straightshooter » 20 Nov 2022, 6:12 am

All media conditioning or propaganda gains it's effectiveness by relying on these characteristics to a lesser or greater extent in the target audience:
An asymmetry of knowledge
Confirmation bias
Motivated reasoning
Group effect psychology
Absence of healthy rational scepticism
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Post by on_one_wheel » 20 Nov 2022, 7:22 am

It's all about click bait, they're using outrage porn to suck us in.
Do a quick search on "outrage culture"

Some suggest it was born from social media but that's total BS, it's been going on for much longer ACA and Today Tonight have been using it since they started, politicians have used it since day dot. It's most likely been a tool used to evoke emotion and motivate action since we've been walking upright.
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Post by Lazarus » 20 Nov 2022, 9:15 am

on_one_wheel wrote:It's all about click bait, they're using outrage porn to suck us in.
Do a quick search on "outrage culture"

Some suggest it was born from social media but that's total BS, it's been going on for much longer ACA and Today Tonight have been using it since they started, politicians have used it since day dot. It's most likely been a tool used to evoke emotion and motivate action since we've been walking upright.


Exactly OOW, hence Papalia releasing the map with firearms owner locations, get the average punter thinking he's surrounded, get the paranoia and outrage trains moving, then swoop in like a saviour with even more restrictive legislation.
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Post by bigrich » 20 Nov 2022, 12:21 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:It's all about click bait, they're using outrage porn to suck us in.
Do a quick search on "outrage culture"

Some suggest it was born from social media but that's total BS, it's been going on for much longer ACA and Today Tonight have been using it since they started, politicians have used it since day dot. It's most likely been a tool used to evoke emotion and motivate action since we've been walking upright.


bingo ! some folks seem to think government/media propoganda is a new thing. it ain't . banjo patterson (yes, the bush poet) was a journalist during the boer war and was shut down for reporting the truth . england practiced a scorched earth policy and had concentration camps before the nazi's :thumbsdown:
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Post by northdude » 21 Nov 2022, 4:02 am

Look up what a nudge unit is....
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Post by Pennsylvania Yank » 30 Dec 2022, 11:53 pm

No1Mk3 wrote:Don't know what you're carrying on about? Perhaps they called the short barreled semi-auto centre-fire rifles with attached bayonets and 30 rnd mags "assault rifles" not for "dramatic licence" but because that is exactly what an SKK is? Simonov himself described it as such in 1949. As for political bias, all the lefties I know are shooters but less than half the right=wingers I know like guns, the others are pro-Liberal Party anti-gunners who still think Howard was right, just as they think George Bush was right to ban this very rifle from being imported into the US in 1989 due to it being an "assault rifle". Our newspaper, The Herald Sun, has always been anti-gun and it is very much a right wing editors paper, but no worse than the left wing idealogues at the ABC when it comes to disparaging gun owners. Just accept most media, especially anything to do with Murdoch, don't like us.


If they are pro-liberal party anti-gunners, then they ain't Right Wingers. Pretty simple stuff. If you let the Left control the language that 's what happens, you start using their definitions and all of a sudden anyone even a little to the right of center is now a scary Right Wing extremist.

When AUS banned semi-auto assault weapons?, did they stop there? of course not. They just expanded the definition of a dangerous illicit gun to include things like some hunting shotguns and lever actions etc. This is not about gun safety or gun control, it's just about control. Ask these folks what their end game is? Why it's UK style bans. That's the end game. Bickering over what constitutes an assault weapon is the shiny object they want us to pay attention to while they take everything else from us as well.
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Post by niteowl » 31 Dec 2022, 4:46 pm

on_one_wheel wrote:
bladeracer wrote:It's a shame Trump is running for the US again, I want him to come down and fix our corrupt government!


Make Australia great again
Someone like Andrew Forest would be awsome.
Unfortunately lawyers move into politics. Those slimy pricks end up running the country and their only skill is arguing, zero business sense and a thirst for money and power.

Unfortunately most smart businessmen like Andrew probably wouldn't be interested in taking a masdive pay cut to sit in a room of rambling imbeciles.



Hey how do you know when it is cold weather? The lawyers are all standing on the court house steps with their hands in their own pockets. :allegedly: So I have been told.
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Post by Lazarus » 02 Jan 2023, 11:22 am

More media unreliability today.

The Daily Telegraph and associated tabloid rags like the Courier Mail are reporting that prescription prices will fall by 29% for most people, but rise by 50% for those on concession cards ie, Aged and Disability Pensioners etc.

The Guardian says it's going down for everyone and no other outlet says anything that I can find.

Due to a history of crashing into sh!t, falling off sh!t, getting hit by sh!t and general old age embuggerance I'm on a wheelbarrow full of scripts, so this is something of a concern.

Wouldn't it be nice if you could read something reported by the media and have just a feckhair of confidence that it is actually fact based and not total clickbait bullsh!t?
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Post by womble » 02 Jan 2023, 3:06 pm

I dream of a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned
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Post by womble » 02 Jan 2023, 3:18 pm

The UK does have tough gun control, but unlike ours they take a reason based approach. Like Semi automatic 22 for pest control because that's what they're for. Right tool for the job.
Hand guns are banned because what job do they have.
Hand guns are popular here because we have a long history of clubs.
Citizens also have rights there so the laws vary throughout the UK. I think prodestants in Ireland have the right to be armed.
Their laws are very different than ours but more based on firearms fit for purpose. So you can have a semi automatic shotgun but there's no mobs of pigs running around. So they'd limit the mag to two or something like that.
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Post by bladeracer » 02 Jan 2023, 3:37 pm

womble wrote:The UK does have tough gun control, but unlike ours they take a reason based approach. Like Semi automatic 22 for pest control because that's what they're for. Right tool for the job.
Hand guns are banned because what job do they have.
Hand guns are popular here because we have a long history of clubs.
Citizens also have rights there so the laws vary throughout the UK. I think prodestants in Ireland have the right to be armed.
Their laws are very different than ours but more based on firearms fit for purpose. So you can have a semi automatic shotgun but there's no mobs of pigs running around. So they'd limit the mag to two or something like that.


Some people simply like owning and using firearms of all kinds, and as there is no legitimate concern for public safety everybody should be allowed to own whatever they want if it's not harming anybody else.
We should not have arbitrary limits forced upon us because some high-up Police officer or politician watches too many movies. If they want to address public safety firearms are way down the bottom of the list of dangerous weapons used in crimes, way down the bottom.
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Post by Lazarus » 03 Jan 2023, 1:44 pm

Thanks womble, there it is, 50c, not 50%.

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Post by Pennsylvania Yank » 02 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm

Lazarus wrote:
on_one_wheel wrote:Yeah Trump ... what a looser.
The media everyone has been parroting sure got it right :thumbsup:

The Murdoch's of the world hated him because he was coming down hard on the elites,


I'm not going to argue over a politician in another country that neither of us can vote for OOW, I hate all of them, left, right and centre.
They're all just whores in it for personal gain and power.

Murdoch helped get him into office in 2016, it's only his detachment from reality that has made Murdoch and even his own family cut links.

What truly amazes me is the number of Australians who arc right up at the slightest criticism of him and who'll seeminly fight you to the death over him.

It's a mad, mad world.


Trump did not become President for wealth or personal power. He left office poorer than when he entered. That has probably never happened in the last century or more. He protected the Constitution and the Office of the Presidency. He should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for the Abraham Accords. I don't think he should run for re-election. I think his time has passed, but I know who the true enemies of America are, and it's not the Republicans, and certainly not conservative Republicans.
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