VicPol "loses" 60,000 rounds of ammunition.

[nurofen]

Gets the old noggin' thinking doesn't it. Where did the cartridges go? Why is there accountability for us, but not for them?

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 5bzct.html

[on_one_wheel]

Rumour has it that putting on a uniform doesn't mean your not an opportunistic thieving grub.

[Lazarus]

That's the way the world works nurofen, one rule for the storm troopers and one for us peasants.

That's why a person with a criminal record for violence and a record of disciplinary charges in the military is considered good recruitment material for NTpol.

That's why they investigate themselves and 99 times out of 100 clear themselves.

[nurofen]

Rumour has it that putting on a uniform doesn't mean your not an opportunistic thieving grub.

They probably also sample the other confiscated items in lockup.

[nurofen]

That's the way the world works nurofen, one rule for the storm troopers and one for us peasants.

That's why a person with a criminal record for violence and a record of disciplinary charges in the military is considered good recruitment material for NTpol.

That's why they investigate themselves and 99 times out of 100 clear themselves.

A monopoly on violence is great for the cops.

[Oldbloke]

Rumour has it that putting on a uniform doesn't mean your not an opportunistic thieving grub.

It's the 10% rule. 10% of people are pricks.

[JohnV]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

[Lazarus]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

More likely to turn up in the next Task Force Viper raid John.

[bladeracer]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

How much .22LR ammo are they going through

[Fionn]

Did any one notice that the NSC is advocating that all ammo purchases be recorded against your licence and they are advocating that records are kept by firearm owners on the amount they have and use.

[on_one_wheel]

Did any one notice that the NSC is advocating that all ammo purchases be recorded against your licence and they are advocating that records are kept by firearm owners on the amount they have and use.

Wankers ... what's their justification on that rubbish?

[Fionn]

Did any one notice that the NSC is advocating that all ammo purchases be recorded against your licence and they are advocating that records are kept by firearm owners on the amount they have and use.

Wankers ... what's their justification on that rubbish?

The National Shooting Council claim it would stop ammo getting in the wrong hands and being used against police and the public.

[nurofen]

Did any one notice that the NSC is advocating that all ammo purchases be recorded against your licence and they are advocating that records are kept by firearm owners on the amount they have and use.

Wankers ... what's their justification on that rubbish?

The National Shooting Council claim it would stop ammo getting in the wrong hands and being used against police and the public.

What's stopping someone from lying about shooting ammo? What are they going to do? Serialize every cartridge in existence? Seems like more red tape for us. National Shooting Council = National Fudd Council?

[Fionn]

It's ironic that the NSC claim to have formed to protect shooters from bad laws and regulations, only to advocate introduction of that very same thing.

And people here support and give them money.

[Oldbloke]

It's ironic that the NSC claim to have formed to protect shooters from bad laws and regulations, only to advocate introduction of that very same thing.

And people here support and give them money.

Actually, last time I made a fairly large purchase it was recorded at the LGS. Don't know the regs though.

I don't agree with it being regulated, but would not concern me either.

However if his more recent purchases had been recorded it may have helped his case. I guess it's a double edged sword.

I like it when firearm owners knock the NSC. They look silly. In all my years, they gave by far been the most active in helping/defending firearm owners. SSAA, is a laughing stock.

[Lazarus]

I don't know about other states, but here in NSW, whenever I buy ammunition, I hand over my licence at point of sale and when I get it back with my purchase receipt, my name, licence number, what I bought and how much is recorded on the receipt, and therefore on the dealers records so they can account to the powers that be for the disposition of the ammunition they purchased.

Therefore the NSC's idea would seem moot.

[Fionn]

I don't agree with it being regulated, but would not concern me either.

But do you agree with the NSC advocating that it should be though? that's the point.

I don't know of any other shooting/firearm organisation that is advocating this and as I said its ironic they are trying to introduce bad laws while claiming their main goal is to get rid of them.

All the law will achieve is greater monitoring ability for the government to know how much ammo you buy and potentially stockpile.

I like it when firearm owners knock the NSC. They look silly. In all my years, they gave by far been the most active in helping/defending firearm owners. SSAA, is a laughing stock.

I agree the NSC look silly but I don't believe they have been that helpful in defending firearm owners in general, they claim they are and take credit for such, but rarely have they be able to substantiate these claims, but certainly do far more damage then they achieve.

[Oldbloke]

I don't agree with it being regulated, but would not concern me either.

But do you agree with the NSC advocating that it should be though? that's the point.

I don't know of any other shooting/firearm organisation that is advocating this and as I said its ironic they are trying to introduce bad laws while claiming their main goal is to get rid of them.

All the law will achieve is greater monitoring ability for the government to know how much ammo you buy and potentially stockpile.

I like it when firearm owners knock the NSC. They look silly. In all my years, they gave by far been the most active in helping/defending firearm owners. SSAA, is a laughing stock.

I agree the NSC look silly but I don't believe they have been that helpful in defending firearm owners in general, they claim they are and take credit for such, but rarely have they be able to substantiate these claims, but certainly do far more damage then they achieve.

Pls don't verbal me. NSC has done in 2-3 years what the SSAA and couple of others have done in 30 years.

I was a SSAA member for 26 years. I don't recall them ever publishing in their mags what they did to help shooters.

It was always "behind the scenes". Code for doing SFA

[Fionn]

I don't agree with it being regulated, but would not concern me either.

But do you agree with the NSC advocating that it should be though? that's the point.

I don't know of any other shooting/firearm organisation that is advocating this and as I said its ironic they are trying to introduce bad laws while claiming their main goal is to get rid of them.

All the law will achieve is greater monitoring ability for the government to know how much ammo you buy and potentially stockpile.

I like it when firearm owners knock the NSC. They look silly. In all my years, they gave by far been the most active in helping/defending firearm owners. SSAA, is a laughing stock.

I agree the NSC look silly but I don't believe they have been that helpful in defending firearm owners in general, they claim they are and take credit for such, but rarely have they be able to substantiate these claims, but certainly do far more damage then they achieve.

Pls don't verbal me. NSC has done in 2-3 years what the SSAA and couple of others have done in 30 years.

I was a SSAA member for 26 years. I don't recall them ever publishing in their mags what they did to help shooters.

It was always "behind the scenes". Code for doing SFA

What exactly has the NSC done, in the last 2-3 years what the SSAA and others have done in 30 years?

You do understand that you are saying the NSC is just doing in the last 2-3 years what the SSAA and others have being doing for 30 years? and implying this is an achievement.

Also just to be clear, you're claiming that the SSAA have done "SFA" for shooters in the the last 26 years? I am not a SSAA member or supporter, but even I know this is a silly thing to claim.

Wow, I can see why your a NSC member.

[Oldbloke]

You must be blind.

SSAA does SFA. Just collects range fees.
SSAA died when Ted Drane died

NSA often goes into bat for shooters.

[Fionn]

You must be blind.

SSAA does SFA. Just collects range fees.
SSAA died when Ted Drane died

NSA often goes into bat for shooters.

Yes, avoid answering the questions and continue with your belief perseverance.

[Oldbloke]

No, show me what SSAA has done.

Like I said in 26 years....zero.

Just go to the NSC Web site, they are doing stuff.

Now, go and argue with your work mates at the police station.

[nurofen]

All the worms coming out of the woodwork with this post fair dinkum.

[JohnV]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

How much .22LR ammo are they going through

I was kind of joking but I thought it was center fire stuff . I saw .243 rounds being used in Ukraine in a video .

[JohnV]

The SSAA has done very little to roll back draconian laws that affect hunters . Like letters of permission and Professional standards being applied to amateur shooters . I can't think of a single thing that the SSAA has done that made it easier for me , I can't even get a shot at my range now without a bloody appointment because the SSAA will not build any new ranges in my area . We have the highest gun ownership per person in the country but the poorest facilities to shoot .

[bladeracer]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

How much .22LR ammo are they going through

I was kind of joking but I thought it was center fire stuff . I saw .243 rounds being used in Ukraine in a video .

I was joking too
I haven't seen details of what he's claiming the ammunition was, but 60,000rds of even 9mm is going to take up a ton of room, and weigh over 800kg, in .308Win it'd be over 1500kg. I'm guessing a lot of it is likely to be rimfire ammo.

[Fionn]

No, show me what SSAA has done.

Like I said in 26 years....zero.

Just go to the NSC Web site, they are doing stuff.

Now, go and argue with your work mates at the police station.

And just go to the various SSAA websites and you will see what they have done, not to mention the ranges they run, the licencing courses, the conservation work, the advocacy and representation on different boards and committees, the submission to inquiry's

But I guess non of this will change your dogmatism on the matter.

[Oldbloke]

The SSAA has done very little to roll back draconian laws that affect hunters . Like letters of permission and Professional standards being applied to amateur shooters . I can't think of a single thing that the SSAA has done that made it easier for me , I can't even get a shot at my range now without a bloody appointment because the SSAA will not build any new ranges in my area . We have the highest gun ownership per person in the country but the poorest facilities to shoot .

Yep, that's my point.
All SSAA does is operate Ranges. Sad to say nothing in relation to helping shooters of changing/lobbying for better laws.

NSC has without doubt put in a big effort to support shooters in trouble and lobbied to improve laws.
Are they perfect? Not likely, but who or what is?
Only those who DO THINGS make mistakes.

Those who do NOTHING are quick to criticise. Those who do NOTHING cant be faulted. Because there is NOTHING to go wrong.

I think the NSC, ADA, Shooters Union and SFFP are the ONLY organisations doing anything politically to improve our situation.

[Fionn]

I bet the Government sent it all to Ukraine .

How much .22LR ammo are they going through

I was kind of joking but I thought it was center fire stuff . I saw .243 rounds being used in Ukraine in a video .

I was joking too
I haven't seen details of what he's claiming the ammunition was, but 60,000rds of even 9mm is going to take up a ton of room, and weigh over 800kg, in .308Win it'd be over 1500kg. I'm guessing a lot of it is likely to be rimfire ammo.

Now bladeracer is someone that is thinking about the claim, this is what about 60,000 rounds of 22lr looks like.



This is the picture of some of the missing items.



*Note he claims most of the missing items are pistol rounds and shotgun rounds, which aren't as small as this

Just think about it for a bit, 60,000 rounds is a large amount in physical size, also if you lost what he claim ($250,000) in ammo, wouldn't you engage lawyers to recover the cost?

A lot to the story doesn't add up.

[Fionn]

Yep, that's my point.
All SSAA does is operate Ranges. Sad to say nothing in relation to helping shooters of changing/lobbying for better laws.

Back tracking now are we, before you said they do nothing, sorry don't want to verbalise you, "Zero" to help shooters : now your admitting they do.

Also the NSC are advocating for bad laws as I pointed out above, where as I don't believe the SSAA have done.

I guess the NSC are lucky to have people like you to give them money to advocate for these bad laws.