Qld police shooting

[dpskipper]

if you're not up to something dodgy you have little to fear

my my, haven't we heard that one before?

[Lazarus]

if you're not up to something dodgy you have little to fear

my my, haven't we heard that one before?

Yeah, I know.

But at most levels, it's actually true.
Obviously, not at the level or intent of China, but if my car was stolen, I'd be far happier if their was cctv, but that's security.

Surveillance has a different deliberate intent and should only be used militarily or for law and order purposes, not political.

[dpskipper]

Surveillance has a different deliberate intent and should only be used militarily or for law and order purposes, not political.

And what happens if that changes? Are you going to write to the government with a sternly worded letter of complaint? By then its too late and you must go straight to gulag, do not pass go, do not collect $200

[womble]

Pandora’s box was opened a long time ago.
We still have two things in that box. Hope and expectations.
That’s all we’ve ever had really.
And that’s all we can rely on.

[MtnMan]

if you're not up to something dodgy you have little to fear

my my, haven't we heard that one before?

That logic only applies if it's the govt saying it.

Apparently it doesn't work they other way around.

Take for example the new National anti-corruption commission bill where they only have public hearings in 'exceptional circumstances', which of course is defined by them.

[MtnMan]

if you're not up to something dodgy you have little to fear

my my, haven't we heard that one before?

That logic only applies if it's the govt saying it.

Apparently it doesn't work they other way around.

Take for example the new National anti-corruption commission bill where they only have public hearings in 'exceptional circumstances', which of course is defined by them.

We wouldn't be cynical if they gave us no reason to be.

[Lazarus]

if you're not up to something dodgy you have little to fear

my my, haven't we heard that one before?

That logic only applies if it's the govt saying it.

Apparently it doesn't work they other way around.

Take for example the new National anti-corruption commission bill where they only have public hearings in 'exceptional circumstances', which of course is defined by them.

In that particular case, the junkies are in charge of the medicine cabinet.

Labor is only doing it at all to make political points, they don't want it any more than the other lot, this lame effort amounts to little more than virtue signalling.

[geoff]

As harsh as it sounds, it all actually makes perfect sense for those of us that have been paying attention to the rising prevalence of sovereign citizen rhetoric and conspiratorial behaviour.

It starts low key - have a look at any of the numerous threads on this very forum about something like covid masking, for example. Their mannerisms and quotes are much more common than we give them credit for. This stuff is a terrible pox on a polite society.

Well, first thing is your mindset. Do you see yourself as a subject to the government or does the government work for you?

As we have seen from covid, government lied and did a lot of vicious, nasty, totalitarian stuff of which many need to be brought to justice for. We know now from data that what was told to the people in regards to masks, vaccines and lockdowns that it was all false, not to mention the origins of the virus and all the wet market poppycock.

Government has to be held to a standard of truth, honesty, openness and integrity. If government is not held accountable to that standard, their behavior will get worse and worse. If you take covid again as an example, the right thing for government to do was to be open to debate and encourage a free discussion for solutions. By not doing that, pretty much every justification they used for what they did turned out to be wrong and did nothing to stop any spread.

lmao thanks for proving my point

Couldn't have scripted it better

[Oldbloke]

Just a follow up. What with all the talk of National firearm register & additional mental illness checks. Just looking at below seems to me the QLD Pol f***ed up. They were incredibly slow to act.


Below is a short version of the key events running up to the murders. (But may not be all of them. If I'm missing anything post it pls.)

March 2021 Nathaniel Train loses his job as school principle at Walgett PS due to being an anti-vaxer.

December 2021 Nathaniel Train seen dumping firearms & ammunition in creek. (2 registered in his name, 3 un-registered) He was also crossing the NSW/QLD border in covid 19 border breach.

Nathaniel Train Firearms license suspended 22/8/22. But he continues to purchase ammunition. (Still has his card)

August 2022 Officer (regarding the dumping of firearms - above) goes to property & leaves card in letter box.

Deputy Commissioner Linford said “police had gone to the property multiple times to locate Train to question him about the border breach and firearms that were dumped at the time.”


12/12/22 Four police attend property following up an outstanding warrant relating to firearms and a border breach by shooter Nathaniel Train, as well as a missing person report, Constable Rachel McCrow, 29, and Constable Matthew Arnold, 26 are murdered along with neighbor Alan Dare who attended to investigate. All three offenders (Nathaniel, Gareth and Stacey Train) were later shot dead in a shoot out with police.

[Oldbloke]

Sooo, QLD Pol are more or less incompetent.
LAFO have to put up with being blamed and a National Register is now required costing mega dollars.

But is QLD Pol going to be held accountable? Pigs arse they will.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-29/ ... /104282162.

Lessons learned. Don't vote for the major parties.

[Wm.Traynor]

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell, of that happening.
I have not voted for the majors since before howard got in.

[Oldbloke]

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell, of that happening.
I have not voted for the majors since before howard got in.

That's about when I stopped voting for them.

[Wapiti]

We had a Detective Serg attend our place a few weeks ago from the Rural Crime squad on an illegal shooter matter, who was one of the first people in there after that terrible incident after the Bearcat boys did the bosses bidding, and with regards to the so-called information sought prior to the poor police attending that property, his comments were telling.
He reckoned that this National Firearms Register is but a smokescreen for what the senior management want, who are independent and not answerable to the "peanuts who are in government", which is to take away firearms from all who are not in rural areas who need them, as a first step.
His words were, they look out the window into the streets in Brisbane, and say, why does anybody out there need to have any guns?

Do you all reckon that voting differently will change the competence in the management of the Police Force, or the agenda that is coming?

[alexjones]

I am not a police apologist but I don't really understand how the police are to blame? Who would of known that people wanted to shoot at police? Also how would a national register prevent crime when the state and territory registers don't prevent crime? We are told the police went to the house to look for a missing person. So does this mean anytime police have to go to an address where guns are registered will they send in a tactical team to kick the door in?

The below from the above ABC article is concerning to me though.

"Earlier this week the inquest heard from QPS Weapons Licensing Group's Inspector Cameron Barwick, who said mandatory mental health checks for gun license applicants would be "favourable"."

[Oldbloke]

I am not a police apologist but I don't really understand how the police are to blame? Who would of known that people wanted to shoot at police? Also how would a national register prevent crime when the state and territory registers don't prevent crime? We are told the police went to the house to look for a missing person. So does this mean anytime police have to go to an address where guns are registered will they send in a tactical team to kick the door in?

The below from the above ABC article is concerning to me though.

"Earlier this week the inquest heard from QPS Weapons Licensing Group's Inspector Cameron Barwick, who said mandatory mental health checks for gun license applicants would be "favourable"."

IIRC QLD pol had additional information regarding firearm offences committed by one of the perpetrators/unlicenced shooters. I may be corrected on this tho.

[Oldbloke]

We had a Detective Serg attend our place a few weeks ago from the Rural Crime squad on an illegal shooter matter, who was one of the first people in there after that terrible incident after the Bearcat boys did the bosses bidding, and with regards to the so-called information sought prior to the poor police attending that property, his comments were telling.
He reckoned that this National Firearms Register is but a smokescreen for what the senior management want, who are independent and not answerable to the "peanuts who are in government", which is to take away firearms from all who are not in rural areas who need them, as a first step.
His words were, they look out the window into the streets in Brisbane, and say, why does anybody out there need to have any guns?

Do you all reckon that voting differently will change the competence in the management of the Police Force, or the agenda that is coming?

In Vic worksafe propose changes to the OHS Act and regulations. Advice the government etc. So they push the agenda.
Then rewrite the regulations and Act. Then naturally needs to be passed in both houses in parliament

Perhaps all departments do this, including the QLD Police.

[Wapiti]

In Vic worksafe propose changes to the OHS Act and regulations. Advice the government etc. So they push the agenda.
Then rewrite the regulations and Act. Then naturally needs to be passed in both houses in parliament

Perhaps all departments do this, including the QLD Police.

Not sure who is behind it, certainly any excuse to make political change. However from industry experience from an official safety responsibility most of my life, Worksafe recommendations with respect to firearms are restricted to work and public places, rifle ranges, farms, places of purchase etc but not when it comes to make overarching broad based legislation.
Doesn't work in reverse either, we are using as a big part of our push for suppressors to be made available for professional and PP use in Qld based on WPH&S recommendations, and they completely ignore the evidence presented and say it's not relevant because of individual bias.

No, the people in the background pulling the strings who yearn for immortality from their masters, want to remove all firearms from public hands, and will use any tragedy when they arise. As they will, because whether it's firearms, knives, cars or airplanes, people made sick by the society built by these disgusting, sick politicians, deliberately to destabilise and further their aims, will give them regular tragedies to do so.
To use the horror, emotions and anguish of the public who know no better.
They are just being used, and the cowardly, centrist "leave me alone" public wring their hands, cry tears on social media yet just let it happen.

[Oldbloke]

I wasn't suggesting worksafe make recommendations regarding shooting.

All im saying is that regarding workplaces they make recommendations and push their agendas.

Cops would push their agendas too, I'm guessing.

[Wapiti]

Not just guessing that they have their own agendas, as we see, the police are actively campaigning and influencing government all the time.
Look no further than WA for proof of this and how effective they can be. The police don't just interpret the firearms legislation incorrectly, they do it deliberately, even before new laws are even passed... they are that confident that their whims are being answered and they are going to get their way.

A very good explanation of it all here, to any keen to learn more and maybe stay up to date:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByiP_Kb ... 7pyvx6i0M0