bladeracer wrote:What should be investigated is not some cracked government conspiracy but the failings of the Police to work within the laws we already had in place that would have prevented him having "legal" access to firearms. He would very likely have still gotten them illegally of course, but that will always be the case, irrelevant of laws. Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
Even more, if he'd been properly cared for by his family and community as a child he may well have never developed the mentality that would precipitate such actions.
Lazarus wrote:I totally agree Blade, with one exception.
Bryant, may he be sewn up in the belly of a dead camel, was a wrongun from birth.
True, his upbringing probably had a negative influence, but he was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Some interesting reading on the phenomenon of conspiracy theory belief and the psychology of those who willingly go down that Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/
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An interesting(to me at least) look at the relationship between god bothery and conspiracy belief
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-are ... s/13003550
bladeracer wrote: Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
bladeracer wrote:What should be investigated is not some cracked government conspiracy but the failings of the Police to work within the laws we already had in place that would have prevented him having "legal" access to firearms. He would very likely have still gotten them illegally of course, but that will always be the case, irrelevant of laws. Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
Even more, if he'd been properly cared for by his family and community as a child he may well have never developed the mentality that would precipitate such actions.
bladeracer wrote:I agree that he was a wrong-un, but with proper support from family and community he should've been recognised as such long before he was able to commit mass murder. He may well have still managed to do so, but he should've been "on the radar" from childhood with the community and the authorities monitoring his situation. These people don't just "break" one day, they are broken for years or decades beforehand, but ignored, or tolerated as "different", or simply avoided as "wrong-uns", with nothing done to assist or guide them. I don't think it requires a lot of outside "support" to dissuade many of these perpetrators from believing committing mass tragedy will make them feel any better about themselves. Similarly the Qld killers kept skipping from one small community to the next small community, staying ahead of the legal consequences of what they were doing. Clearly the education department, and the Police, knew they were wrong-uns as well, for years, but did nothing about it.
Lazarus wrote:bladeracer wrote:What should be investigated is not some cracked government conspiracy but the failings of the Police to work within the laws we already had in place that would have prevented him having "legal" access to firearms. He would very likely have still gotten them illegally of course, but that will always be the case, irrelevant of laws. Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
Even more, if he'd been properly cared for by his family and community as a child he may well have never developed the mentality that would precipitate such actions.
I totally agree Blade, with one exception.
Bryant, may he be sewn up in the belly of a dead camel, was a wrongun from birth.
True, his upbringing probably had a negative influence, but he was a tragedy waiting to happen.
Some interesting reading on the phenomenon of conspiracy theory belief and the psychology of those who willingly go down that Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/
Edit
An interesting(to me at least) look at the relationship between god bothery and conspiracy belief
https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-are ... s/13003550
womble wrote:bladeracer wrote:What should be investigated is not some cracked government conspiracy but the failings of the Police to work within the laws we already had in place that would have prevented him having "legal" access to firearms. He would very likely have still gotten them illegally of course, but that will always be the case, irrelevant of laws. Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
Even more, if he'd been properly cared for by his family and community as a child he may well have never developed the mentality that would precipitate such actions.
He didn’t have a firearms licence.
The lgs bears that responsibility. Should not have sold him firearms.
bladeracer wrote:womble wrote:bladeracer wrote:What should be investigated is not some cracked government conspiracy but the failings of the Police to work within the laws we already had in place that would have prevented him having "legal" access to firearms. He would very likely have still gotten them illegally of course, but that will always be the case, irrelevant of laws. Like far too many of these tragedies, the causes are the authorities failing to do the jobs they're paid to do.
Even more, if he'd been properly cared for by his family and community as a child he may well have never developed the mentality that would precipitate such actions.
He didn’t have a firearms licence.
The lgs bears that responsibility. Should not have sold him firearms.
As far as I'm aware he did have a licence, but he certainly should not have been given one. Or perhaps he didn't need one back then in Tas?
Lazarus wrote:""There should be questions asked on how that AR15 ended up in his hands after being handed in to police diuring amnesty. The police claimed that rifle was destroyed in Sims metal furnace""
This is a question yet to be addressed by the (serial gun losing) police, and you're spot on Baron.