A question from a yank

[Lorgar]

we all throw shrimp on the baaarbie

Seriously though, how f***ing great are BBQ prawns?

God they're good.

In fact, I'm going to do some right now...

[Carter]

You're not helping, Lorgar...

[Guliver]

As a pistol shooter I can see no reason why anyone would want to walk around caring a handgun concealed or not. I'm referring to the general public, not folks who carry as part of their employment.

[cuvy]

I already have a pretty good idea but out of curiosity what does the australian media think of:
- self defense
- CCW

Forget about carrying a gun for self defence - if you carry *any* item for the purposes of self defence you are breaking the law. For example, a Kubotan (which is basically a stick the size of a pen) is illegal to carry, since its only purpose is self defence.

While we are allowed to defend ourselves and use improvised weapons, there are requirements around reasonable force, and carrying an item specifically for that purpose is viewed quite negatively I think by the general public, in addition to being illegal in the eyes of the law. In most states pepper spray is illegal for civilian possession - in Queensland it is in the same weapons category as fully automatic rifles, RPGs and grenades.

Granted Australia is generally fairly safe so the need to handgun concealed carry is probably not that high, but women still get raped and murdered yet are not allowed to carry pepper spray or any other self defence aid.

[wrenchman]

I have a CCW and don't carry very often, many places of business don't allow them.

When I go to work I can't have one on me and I'm not leaving it in my car even if it's in a lock box.

It is real nice when I am going hunting, I can slip on my gun and don't have to worry about my coat covering my gun and taking a holster on and off in transport is a pain.

[mahna]

In most states pepper spray is illegal for civilian possession - in Queensland it is in the same weapons category as fully automatic rifles, RPGs and grenades.

Talk about overdramatizing pepper spray.

[tucked]

I have a CCW and don't carry very often, many places of business don't allow them.

Not sure if that's a stupid question, are they actually allowed to do that in the states?

If you're licensed to carry it aren't you just licensed to carry it? Regardless of what other people want?

[Brute]

Maybe not, in any case though if they didn't want you there they could just not employ you or not invite you onto their property so it's the same result either way.

[Download]

I have a CCW and don't carry very often, many places of business don't allow them.

Not sure if that's a stupid question, are they actually allowed to do that in the states?

If you're licensed to carry it aren't you just licensed to carry it? Regardless of what other people want?

I regularly frequent /k/ so I know a bit about it.

There are two or three states in the US where anyone who is legally permitted to own a firearm can carry one concealed, I think they are Arizona, Alaska and Nevada.
Quite a few states are 'shall issue' meaning that if you want a CCW permit and complete the training they can't deny you a permit unless they have a reason too such as you're a criminal or have mental health issues.
Most state are 'may issue' but are 'shall issue' in practice - they can technically deny you a CCW permit for any reason but they rarely do.
Then there are places like California, New York, Massachusetts etc that are 'may issue' but in practice they very rarely approve CCW permits.

Nearly every state has laws making it a crime to carry in a business that clearly has signs that state CCW is not permitted, a few states have rules making it illegal to carry on schools/collages and a few have rules requiring you to register with your collage/uni before carrying on campus.

[Download]

Personally I would support CCW in Australia if getting one required training like security guards have along with minimum and regular accuracy requirements. Guns are equalisers. A woman about to be raped by a guy twice your weight and a foot taller than you? Doesn't matter anymore.

Guns stop rapes and murders, and will reduce them (to some degree) due to the fear that their target is armed and will put them down.

Edit:
Why doesn't this forum have automerging?

[coloradoboy]

I have a CCW and don't carry very often, many places of business don't allow them.

When I go to work I can't have one on me and I'm not leaving it in my car even if it's in a lock box.

It is real nice when I am going hunting, I can slip on my gun and don't have to worry about my coat covering my gun and taking a holster on and off in transport is a pain.

I am from Colorado and I CC daily and I am pretty sure that as long as they don't expressly deny firearm carry with a very visible sign for example (unless it is a school or federal building / courthouse) , then you can CC in any store or business without seeking permission prior. I rarely part with my revolver, so much that I feel strange without it at my side. Strange.

You must live in New York state or Connecticut or something hahaha

[Warrigul]

As a pistol shooter I can see no reason why anyone would want to walk around caring a handgun concealed or not. I'm referring to the general public, not folks who carry as part of their employment.

I too am a pistol shooter and I can see many reasons why some would want to carry a handgun, the biggest one being why are the takings from McDonalds be considered more valuable than someone's life?


Oh, you say it is for protection of the security guard? Well why is the security guards life worth more than the local corner store owner who just wants to bank his takings?

It can go on and on and on and people will still deny others the right to carry, just because "they can't see any reason", until the Government can guarantee a reasonable level of protection for Australians they shouldn't deny us the means to protect ourselves.

[wrenchman]

i live in michigan the comany i work for is anti gun and lots of companys in the area have it posted no guns
The last company i worked for was real good about guns i was abel to carry while workig

[wrenchman]

I must say that mcdonalds is not one of the places posted by me

[Warrigul]

i live in michigan the comany i work for is anti gun and lots of companys in the area have it posted no guns
The last company i worked for was real good about guns i was abel to carry while workig

Yep, but how come those sick individuals wishing to harm co workers don't seem to take any notice of the signs?

May as well say "SOFT TARGET" on the front door.

[Norton]

May as well say "SOFT TARGET" on the front door.

Bingo.

[wrenchman]

i do agree it is like saying shoot me

[Warrigul]

i do agree it is like saying shoot me

Or is more like a civilised request from people living in fairyland, people who haven't woken up to the fact that just because they aren't armed that isn't going to stop a psychopath from using a weapon on them.

[Clarky75]

I agree with Warrigul police, security guards there life is no more valuable than you or I or anyone else. We all should have the right to defend ourselves.

A life is a life we are all just the same under it all. As always the minority idiots like Martin Bryant make life worse for the rest of us. But like with anything else the minority ruin it for the majority of great people.

One of my friends told me when I took up shooting at the range oh gun owners are bad people be careful. I've met so many nice genuine people in the sport of shooting. I've met bigger idiots and more aggressive people on the golf course than at the shooting range.

It's all just perception and most peoples perception of guns and gun owners is way off base

[Korkt]

people who haven't woken up to the fact that just because they aren't armed that isn't going to stop a psychopath from using a weapon on them.

I wonder what the plan is when some loon attacks them with a knife or hammer....

Maybe challenge then to a gentlemen's bout of fisticuffs?

They've thought ahead to this I'm sure...